IS the ASSAULT on Mrs. YATES over?

[gwl9dta4]

assume he's right. If you could go back 10 years, and apply Ryan's solutions (deal with postpartum depression & help her escape a repressive environment) vs. the conservative's solution (go back 10 years and yell at her and tell her to grow up) i'm sure the chances of this happening now would be much less likely in Ryan's scenario than in the conservatives.

kudos to you Ryan.

OHHHH and you know this for a fact? How can you prove 100% that, that would be the case? As Bunnymt pointed out, a "what if" scenario is ludicrous.

Using the "what if" scenario, we sould be able to get off every rapist and murderer in jail today. I mean, if this person was not spanked while a kid and was talked to more, he would not have become a rapist but a scientist. LOL!! You homos crack me up, it's a good thing you are not runnig the world, you are and forever will be the irritating minority.

 

[Lao Tzu]

What constitutes the blame game? if someone has an infection do you blame bacteria, then prescribe antibiotics, or do you call the person a scapegoater if they try to pinpoint the cause(s) of their problems?

do conservatives even distinguish between scapegoating & finding valid cause-effect relationships?

If being a vietnam vet makes people 600% (as a guess) more likely to be homeless, then that is a fact and needs to be addressed to solve the problem instead of attributed to 'blaming others'. People are not born equal. And we don't have as much control over our lives as we like to think.

We live in a culture where many people play the so-called "blame game," a tragic activity where nobody ever wants to accept the consequences for their actions. Kill your babies, get a lawyer, and blame the action on postpartum depression so bad that it made you insane. Get in your car drunk and run over a family out for an evening stroll and blame it on mental illness. End up homeless by refusing to work and blame your predicament on your experience in Vietnam, an angry mother, an abusive father or poor potty training.

So what IS the answer? Well, we could start by calling a halt to the "blame game." I don't think anyone would question that both Andrea Yates and Constance Fisher were troubled. But so troubled that they had to murder their children? Did anyone MAKE them commit those heinous acts? I say no, and with that in mind our justice system needs to take corresponding action. Such steps will result in Andrea Yates facing her maker SOONER rather than LATER!

 

[bunnymt]

If her doctors and husband were more responsible, Mrs. Yates never would have been alone.. Much less alone with her children..

I really don't know what I think.. But I know I'm pissed at her doctors and husband..

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What about a case like this?? Someone opens a bar and then serves someone even though they know she is completely intoxicated and can't make good judgements. I keep serving them and don't call them a cab.. On the way home, the kill 5 people in a car wreck. In my opinion, the bar owner is just as guilty.

I am not following how drinking too much and being irresponsible has anything to do with a woman killing her 5 children.
Don't be angry at the doctors and her husband...be angry at her!
Regardless of anything else...she committed the actions and should be punished. why are we concentrating on 'what if' scenarios. That will get us no where.

 

[gwl9dta4]

If her doctors and husband were more responsible, Mrs. Yates never would have been alone.. Much less alone with her children..

I really don't know what I think.. But I know I'm pissed at her doctors and husband.. If my wife had post partum depression, I would stop having kids and get her well to raise the family we had.

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What about a case like this?? Someone opens a bar and then serves someone even though they know she is completely intoxicated and can't make good judgements. I keep serving them and don't call them a cab.. On the way home, the kill 5 people in a car wreck. In my opinion, the bar owner is just as guilty.

I am seeing a mastery of basing opinions on the "what if" scenarios.

Another thing, the killer moms husband was a very good husband. He tried to help her on many occasions. Why is everyone ripping on him without knowing the facts? WTF?
Why do men always the short end of the stick in this society? WTF, WTF, WTF?

 

[Lao Tzu]

OHHHH and you know this for a fact? How can you prove 100% that, that would be the case? As Bunnymt pointed out, a "what if" scenario is ludicrous.

Using the "what if" scenario, we sould be able to get off every rapist and murderer in jail today. I mean, if this person was not spanked while a kid and was talked to more, he would not have become a rapist but a scientist. LOL!! You homos crack me up, it's a good thing you are not runnig the world, you are and forever will be the irritating minority.

oooooooh. can't even carry on a polite argument i see. neither can i. i'd gladly take the label of homo over braindead conservative anyday. At least i can think outside the box and try to figure out the truth, even when it is unpopular to do so.

I don't see anything wrong with trying to figure out what the causes of this issue are and dealing with them appropiately. Even if the causes are unpopular, they should at least be brought to light.

 

[starfish]

Bunny,

Out of curiosity, how much press are you getting about it in France???? Segments or the whole thing??

 

[Lao Tzu]

why are we concentrating on 'what if' scenarios. That will get us no where.

you're right. However, if someone like Ryan tries to figure out the cause(s) of a problem (which he does sometimes) then that is better than falling back on antiquated notions of 'mind over matter' which many conservatives seem to feel. No man is an all powerful island, and placing blame where blame really is due, although misused alot, can give us more control over our environment and our actions.

 

[starfish]

Nordstrom,

I COMPLETELY AGREE!!

 

[RyanH]

oooooooh. can't even carry on a polite argument i see. neither can i. i'd gladly take the label of homo over braindead conservative anyday.

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"homo" is often the label many conservatives resort to when reacting to those with the winning argument. When they can't win on the issues, then often they are left with nothing but personal attacks.

His sort of language, in the midst of a political debate, is precisely why so many Americans increasingly see conservatives as mean-spirited reactionary citizens.

 

[bunnymt]

"homo" is often the label many conservatives resort to when reacting to those with the winning argument. When they can't win on the issues, then often they are left with nothing but personal attacks.

His sort of language, in the midst of a political debate, is precisely why so many Americans increasingly see conservatives as mean-spirited reactionary citizens.

You took that out of context. He was not personally attacking anyone. It is normal that when a debate gets heated, that people start to use 'heated' language.
It is often people who are losing arguments who try to sway the topic to a discussion about something else that is totally irrevelant.