IS the ASSAULT on Mrs. YATES over?

[big4life]

Is she mentally ill?
Yes. No sane person would drown one of their kids, much less five of their kids.

Should she get the death penalty?

I don't know. I do know that she should not be treated and released back into society, without serving a good portion of her life behind bars.

She took one of the most sacred things, a childs trust in their parent, and used it to kill her children. Those children didn't look at their mother as someone who would hurt them. They saw someone who was supposed to protect them from everything bad. They trusted her and now their lives are over.

So, I say treat her, but keep her in jail for a very long time.

 

[starfish]

I guess form what I know about the case, which isn't that much.

She was released from a hospital so her doctors and husband knew she was sick. Why was she even allowed to be with her kids alone???

If there was a mother beating her kids and then Child Protective Services allowed her kids to be with them anyway- you guys would be bashing Child Protective Services for putting the children in danger.

Many people knew she was sick- many people could have prevented this. Then maybe, her children would still be alive and Mrs. Yates could get the treatment she needed to raise her children in a happy and healthy way.

DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE ASKS TO HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS??? Forget death, I bet that is hell.

I hope they can cure post partum depression/psychosis one day.

starfish

 

[spentagn]

If you can't handle post-partum depression, why have five kids? Let me guess, that's society's fault, too.

 

[starfish]

spentagn,

I said in my earlier post that I thought is was very irresponsible for that family to continue having kids knowing she had post partum depression with prior births. It takes TWO to make a baby.

As for society, 1 in 3 women will experience post partum depression, although not as severe as Mrs. Yates. That could very well be your wife or someone you care about. Wouldn't it be great if we could find a way to help??

It's so easy for men to say child birth is easy.. Women are realesed from the hospital and to be blunt- they just made another human life and spit it out!! Try it sometime.

Do you know everything that happens to your body?? Hormones, etc?? Do you know how much the chemical levels in your brain are depleted from childbitrth stress. Some people can't produce more. Is this their fault?? Too bad we can't help them.


If you want more children, then post partum depression should be your problem too. But I agree, they had no business having more babies if they knew she was sick.

 

[FreakMonster]

It's always easy to base important policy questions on emotions such as rage or anger. The enlightened, however, reject such attempts, and realize that the solution to any wise policy decision is to a) look at the facts, b) cause and effect, and c) the solutions to this important policy decision.

Several people have simply failed to do this, that's why we have a few wise legislators along with a few very intelligent judges, along with millions of wise Americans.

Facts: Mrs. Yates unfortunately took the lives of her children.

Cause: A serious, reoccuring case of post-pardum depression.

Effect: The children lose their lives

Solution A: proposed short-term solution by people wishing to act out of revenge or emotion---act as barbaric as Mrs. Yates' post-pardum depression did when it took the lives of those children, and put Mrs. Yates to death.
What implications will Mrs. Yates' murder have on future cases where women are suffering from post-pardum depression? None, they will still kill their young children since the death penalty is not an effective deterrent to crime.

Solution B: Provide Mrs. Yates with psychiatric assistance, and set a valuable precedent by showing other women in America that post-pardum depression is a very serious illness with severe implications if help is not obtained. Result: women will begin to get help, the problem will be reduced, and both women and their children's lives will be saved.

Clearly, Solution B wins the day.

Ryan.

I GUESS RYAN NEVER READ MY POST!!

Go back and read it again!!!

 

[spentagn]

spentagn,

I said in my earlier post that I thought is was very irresponsible for that family to continus having kids knowing she had post partun depression with prior births. It takes TWO to make a baby.

True, but as you know, it only takes ONE to keep it.

As for society, 1 in 3 women will experience post partum depression, although not as severe as Mrs. Yates. That could very well be your wife or someone you care about. Wouldn't it be great if we could find a way to help??

My wife DID have it. She got over it. So did my mother.

It's so easy for men to say child birth is easy.. Women are realesed from the hospital and to be blunt- they just made another human life and spit it out!! Try it sometime.

If I could, I honestly would. I hated seeing my wife in pain.

Do you know everything that happens to your body?? Hormones, etc??

No, do you? Everything? Didn't think so. I took the classes, I've dealt with it from a male standpoint. Are you familiar with male post-partum depression (no, I'm not comparing it to a woman's)?

If you want more children, then post partum depression should be your problem too. But I agree, they had no business having more babies if they knew she was sick.

Once again, men do suffer a form of it. It's documented. I've been there, and it sucked. My daughter is still alive, though.

 

[starfish]

spentgn,

What classes?? You have a degree in psychology??

Some people can't just get over it - that simple statement alone proves how ignorant you are about depression.

Your wife is very lucky.. I bet all women wish they could just get over it.

 

[spentagn]

spentgn,

What classes?? You have a degree in psychology??

Some people can't just get over it - that simple statement alone proves how ignorant you are about depression.

Your wife is very lucky.. I bet all women wish they could just get over it.

No, I don't have a degree in psychology. I would never enter such a greed driven, heartless field as that. And before you question me on that comment, I do have some personal insight. You inquired about hormonal changes in the female body. That sounds like the endocrine system to me. Apparently the literature I read during my wife's pregnancy didn't discuss such changes, nor was it mentioned in any of the various biology classes I've taken.

I'm far from ignorant about depression. If you must, ask musclebrains if I have much experience with the glorious profession of psychology, and how it prefers to manage depression.

Yes, my wife is lucky. As are all other women, save one recent individual, who've had children. I would not be surprised, however, if Mrs. Yates is "let off easy," several similar cases develop.

Please, feel free to make further assumptions regarding my experiences and intelligence. And thanks for ignoring the rest of my post.

 

[starfish]

I asked you a question..

To say someone should just get over it is ignorant..

Maybe in some of the literature you read about your wife's pregnancy there SHOULD have been something mentioned about hormones and stuff- isn't this what Ryanh is saying???
To be honest, I don't think I ever saw much publicity on the subject until Marie Osmand went through it. I saw her on Larry King Live or something.


Not everyone with a Psychology degree is greed driven- another ignorant statement.

If you suffer from depression, good for you for talking to Musclebrains.

I have also been there and it sucks- I would not wish it on anyone...

starfish..

By the way, weren't you the one who asked aout taking Psychology or Sociology in school?? I could have gotten you out of those classes with an A- in a month- never even having to go but you would have gotten credit. But you always seem so pissed at me..

 

[spentagn]

I asked you a question..

To say someone should just get over it is ignorant..

Nope. It's an opinion. Over simplified, yes. But how many woman kill their children? So, is it safe to assume that for the vast majority, women can "get over it?"

Maybe in some of the literature you read about your wife's pregnancy there SHOULD have been something mentioned about hormones and stuff- isn't this what Ryanh is saying???
To be honest, I don't think I ever saw much publicity on the subject until Marie Osmand went through it. I saw her on Larry King Live or something.

There was content regarding hormonal changes. I was being facetious in my previous post. I had thought that was obvious.

Not everyone with a Psychology degree is greed driven- another ignorant statement.

No, not everyone is. But a large percentage, in my experience, are.

If you suffer from depression, good for you for talking to Musclebrains.

I don't suffer from depression. I did. I got over it. Now I suffer from ambition.

By the way, weren't you the one who asked aout taking Psychology or Sociology in school?? I could have gotten you out of those classes with an A- in a month- never even having to go but you would have gotten credit. But you always seem so pissed at me..

I'm glad you're so skilled at these studies. As far as seeming pissed at you, I'm honestly confused. I do not recall another thread where we've expressed conflicting opinions. And I try not to get pissed at anything I see on the internet. As for the classes, I chose psychology. I figured it'd be the lesser of two evils