IS the ASSAULT on Mrs. YATES over?

[thebabydoc]

she wilfully comitted murder five times when she had no oppostion period. she is responsible for what she did. how can anyone symphathize with her actions?

1. No one here has expressed sympathy or empathy for her actions; the murder of 5 humans- children or not, is horrific. Finding her insane neither condones, excuses, nor lessens the atrocity of the act
2. How can you use the word "willful" to describe her actions unless you have somehow figured a way to go into her mind?
3. When exactly would you consider someone insane if not in this case?
Although I haven't had the pleasure to examine this shell of a human, what I will tell you AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR is that this woman was (criminally?) insane. There is no suggestion or evidence of premeditation. All evidence shows that this woman cared deeply for her children and there was no evidence of malice, ill-feeling for having children, or any Munchausen's disease (by proxy or otherwise). In fact, she tried to kill herself several times apparently because she thought she might harm her children.

Seabass: As for the Bin Laden reference, I can only guess that you must be joking. A small difference here: PREMEDITATION. The act of a madman is not necessarily the act of someone whose mental deficiency eliminates their ability to distinguish right from wrong.

While I don't entirely disagree with your characterization of OUR system and the fact that the mentally ill often present a serious danger to society and usually cannot be rehabilitated or cured, you are suggesting euthanizing people who do not wish to die. In other words, MURDER. That makes you no better than the people you advocate killing. In fact, that makes you worse because while their actions may be beyond their control, yours represent a concious decision to take life.

 

[Sebass67]

War takes lives too...
But that those are inherent in the process...
There will be flaws in every system...
The one i advocate will prevent the most deaths of innocent people.

 

[RyanH]

RYAN IS "THE" EXAMPLE ON WHY SO MANY HATE LIBERALS. IT'S LIKE THEY ARE MISSING SOME PART OF THEIR BRAIN WHICH CONTROLLS COMMON SENCE.


This particular female should recieve no lees then the death penalty. If Ryan feels she could be rehabilitated and studied then let him trust her with his future kids and hire her as a full time live in nanny. Otherwise open mouth insert foot.

He may say what will killing her accomplish? Well, what did her killing her kids accomplish?

we are not talking about a store robbery here Ryan. And why do you think they changed her defence strategy to insanity, hummm?

I am completely unaware of a ubiquitous dislike for liberals since so many United States Senators as well as United State Supreme Court Justices are considered "liberal."

But that's not the important issue, now is it? The issue is that the law recognizes insanity as an affirmative defense to murder. Legislators, in all states, decided to recognize this long standing defense for a reason----because it makes good policy to offer assistance, as opposed to contempt, to those suffering from mental illnesses.

By wishing to exact revenge on Mrs. Yates you are only reacting, not acting. You should more closely examine the policy reasons for recognizing the defense of insanity.

Ryan.

 

[spentagn]

Babydoc, since when does your degree make you an expert on insanity?

 

[RyanH]

Thank you too my firend. But don't worry, i know you are a liberal , or so i think. I know there are many types of liberals, as i am one myself, but i feel that the best government is the government that governs the least.

heh, heh. We see what happens when government bows from the stage, don't we? plane crashes, terrorists attacks, fleeced consumers, damaged environment, poverty, disease, etc.

Great idea gwl.

 

[spentagn]

heh, heh. We see what happens when government bows from the stage, don't we? plane crashes, terrorists attacks, fleeced consumers, damaged environment, poverty, disease, etc.

Great idea gwl.

As if Poland's history is any brighter...

 

[RyanH]

I can't believe what I'm reading here.

Ryan, I would NEVER have imagined this but I am with you on this one.

Maybe that is because of my profession.
Maybe it's because in December I hospitalized a good friend of mine for postpartum psychosis a week after her delivery.

Do the people responding to this thread really believe there's any way a sane person/woman could kill her 5 children?!?!??
The very act is the definition of insanity.
The prosecutors should stop playing their stupid politcally-motivated games and agree to semi-permanent incarceration at a mental institution (a la Hinkley) followed by mandatory sterilization and save the people of Texas the costs of a trial and the multiple (mandatory) appeals following a death sentence.

I personally am PRO-death penalty. But not here.
The blood-thirst displayed in this thread is both embarrassing and horrifying.

the expense of the appeals process is a very good point, babydoc. There is no way 12 sensible jurors are going to find that Mrs. Yates was not mentally insane at the TIME she committed those murders. And, hypothetically, even is a jury rejected the defense, neither a judge or any of the appellate courts are bound by the verdict.

This is the definition of insanity as recognized by most states. If the jury finds Mrs. Yates meets this definition, then the charge of murder is negated:

"Did the defendant lack the ability at the time of his actions to either 1) know the wrongfulness of his actions; or 2) understand the nature and quality of his actions?"

This is the test, now does Mrs. Yates meet it? It's difficult to say that she doesn't.

 

[spentagn]

"Did the defendant lack the ability at the time of his actions to either 1) know the wrongfulness of his actions; or 2) understand the nature and quality of his actions?"

This is the test, now does Mrs. Yates meet it? It's difficult to say that she doesn't.

It's difficult to say that she does.

 

[RyanH]

It's difficult to say that she does.

medical experts exist for a reason----to enlighten the jury on the question of whether Mrs. Yates understood the wrongfulness of her actions. Medical experts associated with Mrs. Yates seem to overwhemingly agree----Mrs. Yates did not understand the wrongfulness of her actions nor did she understand the nature of her actions.

Soon it will be up to 12 of your Texas peers to decide whether medical science and common sense wins the day or whether harsh, vengful punishment does. Surely, the former will prevail.

 

[RyanH]

their are 2 culprits at play here:

1. Mr. Yates--who believed women should homeschool their children and that women only exist to serve men and procreate.

2. Mrs. Yates illness.

those are the real issues.