IS the ASSAULT on Mrs. YATES over?

[casavant]

Please tell us how you possibly know? I have truth on my side, medical science, and you, well you seem to have hatred on your side. Is it right what Mrs. Yates did to her children? No. Is it right for Mrs. Yates to go free? No. But right now, most people are thinking with their emotions, as opposed to logic:

Post-Pardum depression, Munchasen Syndrome cause women to do extremely irration, psychotic things: such as murdering your children, when normally the mother would have never.

"But for" the post-pardum depression those children would still be alive.

But, as you well know---- it's always harder to think than to feel.

So, if I suffer from abnormally high amounts of testosterone, or an overactive amygdala, I'm not fully responsible for my actions either?

What about Dahmer as well as many other murderers- I'm sure you could find some brain patterns in some of those guys that aren't completely normal. Where do you draw the line?

 

[casavant]

And Frackal, what do we do when this tragic circumstances lurks its ugly head again.....again, and again. Ultimately we're going to have to deal with the problem instead of the effect.....the question is how many mentally troubled women will we slaughter before we finally ask...."why are they doing what they do?'

There will always be shitty people in this world.

 

[FreakMonster]

More statistics on Postpartum Psychosis which is probably what she had:

Postpartum Psychosis:

This illness affects 1 mother in 1000. It is the most serious of the postpartum disorders and the most rare. However, it needs immediate attention. The following symptoms are associated with this disorder.

debilitating confusion
hallucinations
rapid swings of mood
insomnia
agitation
delusions (frequently involving the baby)
paranoia
disorganization of thought and behavior.

 

[casavant]

But did you also have 5 screaming kids closing in around you, as Mrs. Yates did? Or did you have a disloyal, uncaring, neglectful husband who was out playing while you were home, mentally ill, with 5 children in your care?

If Mrs. Yates dies, so should Mr. Yates. He is equally as culpable and blameworthy as is Mrs. Yates. He recognized the problem his wife was having, and did nothing to help her.

He, in a sense, aided and abetted the murder.

You make me sick. I spit in your face.

 

[FreakMonster]

Let's see RyanH, THIS IS THE REASON SHE SHOULD NOT BE GOING TO A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!!!!

Dangers associated with the insanity defense are striking some chords with the folk in Bangor, Maine. They think back to 1954, when the then 24-year-old Constance Fisher drowned three of her children in the bathtub -- Richard, 6, Daniel, 4, and Deborah, 1. Fisher was found not guilty by reason of insanity and spent five years at a mental institution, during which time according to media reports her husband Carl Fisher petitioned vociferously
for her release.

Then tragedy struck again. According to the Bangor Daily News, "In 1966, for the second time in his life, Carl Fisher, then 33, returned home from his job at Maine Central Railroad to find that his wife had once again killed all of their children. The children were the same ages as their first three -- Kathleen, 6, Michael, 4, and Nathalie, 9 months. All had been drowned in the
bathtub."

There was yet still more tragedy to come. Again according to the Bangor Daily News, "Fisher remained at Augusta Mental Health Institute until October 1973, when at the age of 44 she walked away from the hospital. Officials were concerned she was suicidal. Her body was found five days later. She had drowned in the Kennebec River."


We live in a culture where many people play the so-called "blame game," a tragic activity where nobody ever wants to accept the consequences for their actions. Kill your babies, get a lawyer, and blame the action on postpartum depression so bad that it made you insane. Get in your car drunk and run over a family out for an evening stroll and blame it on mental illness. End up homeless by refusing to work and blame your predicament on your experience in Vietnam, an angry mother, an abusive father or poor potty training.

So what IS the answer? Well, we could start by calling a halt to the "blame game." I don't think anyone would question that both Andrea Yates and Constance Fisher were troubled. But so troubled that they had to murder their children? Did anyone MAKE them commit those heinous acts? I say no, and with that in mind our justice system needs to take corresponding action. Such steps will result in Andrea Yates facing her maker SOONER rather than LATER!

 

[saint808]

anyboy from the old usenet groups here? If so i am mentioning Hitler...

 

[manny78]

I hate to say it because the thought of a 7y/o boy- drowning.. makes me sick to my stomach--

But killing her isnt a solution to the problem at hand-- Ms Yates was hospitalized for depression during the month following the birth of her daughter and again in May before the June murders... she obviously did not recieve the treatment she needed- how is it that her doctors did not see that she was not stable... something is wrong... she is to blame.. but she needs serious mental help.. not death...

killing her will put an end to her mental illness, trust me on this one

 

[manny78]

Yes it will- but what about others with the same disorder-- should we kill them too? to nip it in the bud?

as long as they dont kill anybody there's no reason to kill them....

 

[Sushi X]

manny has spoken.

she knew she had problems, she ignored it and thus killed her kids. blame not her husband, he was doing what he needed to be doing. he took care of all of them and worked to pay the bills, ect. i hardly think he had time go to play seeing her works for NASA and more than likely 50+ hours a week.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Let's see RyanH, THIS IS THE REASON SHE SHOULD NOT BE GOING TO A MENTAL HOSPITAL!!!!!

Dangers associated with the insanity defense are striking some chords with the folk in Bangor, Maine. They think back to 1954, when the then 24-year-old Constance Fisher drowned three of her children in the bathtub -- Richard, 6, Daniel, 4, and Deborah, 1. Fisher was found not guilty by reason of insanity and spent five years at a mental institution, during which time according to media reports her husband Carl Fisher petitioned vociferously
for her release.

Then tragedy struck again. According to the Bangor Daily News, "In 1966, for the second time in his life, Carl Fisher, then 33, returned home from his job at Maine Central Railroad to find that his wife had once again killed all of their children. The children were the same ages as their first three -- Kathleen, 6, Michael, 4, and Nathalie, 9 months. All had been drowned in the
bathtub."

There was yet still more tragedy to come. Again according to the Bangor Daily News, "Fisher remained at Augusta Mental Health Institute until October 1973, when at the age of 44 she walked away from the hospital. Officials were concerned she was suicidal. Her body was found five days later. She had drowned in the Kennebec River."


We live in a culture where many people play the so-called "blame game," a tragic activity where nobody ever wants to accept the consequences for their actions. Kill your babies, get a lawyer, and blame the action on postpartum depression so bad that it made you insane. Get in your car drunk and run over a family out for an evening stroll and blame it on mental illness. End up homeless by refusing to work and blame your predicament on your experience in Vietnam, an angry mother, an abusive father or poor potty training.

So what IS the answer? Well, we could start by calling a halt to the "blame game." I don't think anyone would question that both Andrea Yates and Constance Fisher were troubled. But so troubled that they had to murder their children? Did anyone MAKE them commit those heinous acts? I say no, and with that in mind our justice system needs to take corresponding action. Such steps will result in Andrea Yates facing her maker SOONER rather than LATER!

Yes, you are 200% correct sir. I applaud your answer, it's everything i wanted to say and more.



Sincerely