Beheaded American - more to the story?

[MattTheSkywalker]

understood bro- just commenting on the fact the father makes it out like it was all humanitarian based as to the reason why he was there... humanitarian work can be done here - but it won't double your salary...

I hear you there, parents will need to rationalize this. They do not want to aadmit that their kid was an idiot who died a horrible but meaningless death he could have easily avoided by not going to Iraq.

 

[Becoming]

parents will need to rationalize this

word- last thing you want to do is blame your dead kid...

it was unfortunate any way you look at it...

 

[mb2]

He was doing work at Abu Ghraib as well?

Interesting. Yeah, he could have been set up to deflect criticism; my original take was that Iraqi police set him up as they knew he was Jewish, unarmed and independent, and an Iraqi policeman had a link to an insurgent group.

But that seems questionable too. The previaling attitude of the Iraqi police is probably "don't fuck with Americans". So would they do this?

Let's look at at "outcomes"

1. Criticism of the abuse at Abu Ghraib has all but been silenced - in fact justified - in the minds of many. Even if the new pictures come out, it becomes a question of "stupid reservists" vs. a vicious murder. The abuse scandal goes away when a few low level guys are court martialed, yet it had been so bad that Bush went on TV in te middle east and apologized.

Note: Bush could not think of one mistake leading up to 9/11, but he apologized for the abuse scandal. RE-elections are a bitch huh?

2. There is a new enemy to focus on: this Al-Zarkawi guy. (Where is bin laden?). Zarkawi is from Jordan I believe, but he operates in Iraq and has ties to al-Qaeda. Finally, a link to al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The invasion can be prolonged, the abuse scandal goes under the rug, and there is a new enemy in country.

Not too bad, if you're the sitting President who launched the war.


Read between the lies.

Actually, al-Zarqawi has apparently been the "fall guy" twice earlier, drawing attention away from administration fuck-ups, and several opportunities to capture him have been missed.

I don't think the prison story is going away, especially not with public trials. The extent to which the wingnuts and freepers are playing political football with Berg's head is almost comical. Zell Miller uttered this bit of brilliance yesterday: “Why is it? Why is it that there’s more indignation over a photo of a prisoner with underwear on his head than over the video of a young American with no head at all? "

Of course, it's a total red herring. The media have played up the Berg assassination for all it's worth. But the fact is that the prison story is an ongoing story and, conspiracy theorizing aside, the Berg story is not. Moreover, in the prison story, the culprits are our own people. Everyone already knows terrorists are monsters.

The argument that our own moral failure should be excused because of the greater moral failure of our enemies is precisely the kind of moral relativism that right-wingers rage against continually.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Is it a coincidence that Bergs dad was a very vocal administration critic?

What do you think?

 

[p0ink]

Is it a coincidence that Bergs dad was a very vocal administration critic?

What do you think?

there are plenty of parents of national guard and reservists that have been bitching and moaning when their kids get called up and deployed, and they aren't getting their head sawed off.

i can't believe you actually think the US government would have someone's child's head sawed off because his parents disagreed with the administration...

 

[Dial_tone]

how much money do you figure he expected to make in Iraq versus what he could make at home w/o gettin killed? I'm tryin to avoid the jewish stereotype and failing here.

 

[big4rt]

how much money do you figure he expected to make in Iraq versus what he could make at home w/o gettin killed? I'm tryin to avoid the jewish stereotype and failing here.

I'm not trying to defend anyone's reasons for being over here to work because I have my own, but there are literally people over here who hadn't worked for a year or more. There are also some who went from 20k per year to well over 80k per year. But, Berg didn't work for anyone. He was a contractor, yes, but not employed by one of the companies here with us. Interesting question, Dial Tone. Very interesting.

 

[John C Calhoun]

I have a lifelong friend that works in MI. He believes Berg was a low level Mossad agent recruited to gather intel. for the Isralie gov. He was not employed over there and was not working - that was a front or justification for him being there. He was picked up by the US and upon questioning gave up this info. It probably got overheard or leaked to the Iraqi police. Having no love for Israel, they let al-Zarqawi's people know when/where he would be released and the rest is history.

Not being reported by the new is that during the 5 minute rambling speach, al-Zarqawi mentions something about collaberating with Isreal although it unclear if he meant Berg or the US.

Its not at all uncommon for the Mossad to recruit Americans (especially Jewish Americans like Berg) to spy. Even if any of this is true it will never see the light of day. The gov. will give an "official" story of what happened, the news agencies will report it unquestioned, and we the sheeple will believe it.

Check out some of the crap the Mossad does that never gets reported to the news. This actually made it onto Fox news briefly but was quickly killed and removed from their archives.

www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/Mossad/Mexico/151001.html

 

[Nubly]

you guys remind me of gossiping high school girls

 

[SanFrancisco]

John Calhoun is right. This terrorist didn't just happen to get his email password! Berg's father claims his son lent Mousaoui(sp?) his computer during a bus ride. Please, the media needs to do some digging on this one because no Feds have come to my door because terrorists somehow got my email password. He's a spy or an operative. Who goes to Iraq twice for months at a time and still has no work history?