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Creation of an Explosive Mofo - My Training Journal :)

CCJ-

Before I started asking you specific questions- I just wanted to get a quick summary (less than a paragraph) from your point of view for the past 12 weeks (where you have gained, where you have not (if any) and-quantifyable gym stuff like 1RM)... it was kind of hard to tell where you actually started, cause it looks like you started using some things, like ISOs, etc more than 12 weeks ago... Also it seems like you are entering the next phase and emphasizing less the ISO work now... Also I note you have not done any of the extreme reactive stuff outside of the IO work as of yet...

It seems like our programs would be somewhat different (the oly lifts I really don't need right now, but might use again in the future) but in other ways I think they would be a lot the same- I am magnitude dominant like you so I think at least in the begining I would be doing lots of duration work... so I think I could learn a lot from your journal by the time I am ready to try this...


Anyway- TONS of information here... excellent job with the journal...
 
Becoming said:
CCJ-

Before I started asking you specific questions- I just wanted to get a quick summary (less than a paragraph) from your point of view for the past 12 weeks (where you have gained, where you have not (if any) and-quantifyable gym stuff like 1RM)... it was kind of hard to tell where you actually started, cause it looks like you started using some things, like ISOs, etc more than 12 weeks ago... Also it seems like you are entering the next phase and emphasizing less the ISO work now... Also I note you have not done any of the extreme reactive stuff outside of the IO work as of yet...

Well I first figured where I was lacking , and it was definitetly strain ability. I didn't have much ability to grind lifts through sticking points if I slowed down - thanks to my constant use of reactive and explosive training methods. So that is what I concentrated on - ISO

Well I am stronger everywhere, and bigger as well :)
1RM haven't tested yet, but will be in a few weeks time when I finish up this current microcycle.

I did ISO before, but nothing as long duration and heavy as I do now, and not as a singular method in a set.
There is still some ISO, but now not as much since I'm more balanced now as far as strain ability goes. And you need to keep changing emphasis as your nueral weakness dictates, and to keep the body gaining and to prevent overuse injuries etc

The extreme reactive isn't needed by a strength athlete, and not by me at my current point in time. Since I strength is my current goal. They are more for speed and power athletes. There is nice chart Kelly Bagget made that tells you where you should train depending on your sport etc

Movement Performance Characteristics

faster<--------------------------------------------->slower

speed<-------------------------------------------->strength

Muscular System Dominance

tendons<------------------------------------------->muscles


Training Methods

plyometrics(pure elastic)<---------->isometric(pure muscle)

Loading

nil (bodyweight)<---------------------------------->100%1rm

Movement Examples

TSP=Top Speed Sprint
LJ= Long Jump
VJ= Vertical Jump
SA= Sprint Acceleration
OL= Olympic Lifting Movements
PL= Powerlifting
ISO= Isometric Strength

Faster--------------------------------------------Slower

<-----TSP----LJ------VJ------SA-----OL------PL----ISO---->
 
CoolColJ said:
Well I first figured where I was lacking , and it was definitetly strain ability. I didn't have much ability to grind lifts through sticking points if I slowed down - thanks to my constant use of reactive and explosive training methods. So that is what I concentrated on - ISO

.....And you need to keep changing emphasis as your nueral weakness dictates, and to keep the body gaining and to prevent overuse injuries etc

Interesting chart I did not realize OLY and PL were so far on the strenght side of the equation (well PL maybe, but not OLY)

His program interests me too cause I don't want to gain too much more mass... (would like to stay in the 275s and the more strenght I get with WSB the more mass as well)

I am interested to see what your progress is in 12 weeks... I have the same problem- either I make the lift quickly or I hit a hitch and it is rare I can muscle it out....

I saw some discussions on the supertraining forums (I think you mentioned) and it seems like he was catching a lot of flack over there... He is really cool and helpful via email, and I have been re-reading the articles for the past few weeks (though I don't have the book as of date)

I was looking at your stuff and it looks like you should move the CJC point up about 2-3 inches on your squat... (that is where you stick when you fail the lift) had you ever asked him about this?

Also in terms of pinnacle capacity vs prime capacity... how are you tying this in to your training? it seems like you are doing more/all prime capacity....? {for pinnacle I believe you should use the max weight for that time and stop when time drops off more than 6%, but for prime method you would use the 96% weight (reduced weight) and run it till you could no longer hold it for the required time}?

I know you are going for increasing your duration- but wouldnt pinnacle capacity be more useful for strenght? (I know you have to use both in the long run)

It is very interesting indeed- I am looking at trying it, but I need to have everything worked out in my head first...
 
Becoming said:
Interesting chart I did not realize OLY and PL were so far on the strenght side of the equation (well PL maybe, but not OLY)

His program interests me too cause I don't want to gain too much more mass... (would like to stay in the 275s and the more strenght I get with WSB the more mass as well)

I am interested to see what your progress is in 12 weeks... I have the same problem- either I make the lift quickly or I hit a hitch and it is rare I can muscle it out....

I was looking at your stuff and it looks like you should move the CJC point up about 2-3 inches on your squat... (that is where you stick when you fail the lift) had you ever asked him about this?

Also in terms of pinnacle capacity vs prime capacity... how are you tying this in to your training? it seems like you are doing more/all prime capacity....? {for pinnacle I believe you should use the max weight for that time and stop when time drops off more than 6%, but for prime method you would use the 96% weight (reduced weight) and run it till you could no longer hold it for the required time}?

I know you are going for increasing your duration- but wouldnt pinnacle capacity be more useful for strenght? (I know you have to use both in the long run)

It is very interesting indeed- I am looking at trying it, but I need to have everything worked out in my head first...

In PL you don't get any medals for lifting fast, just the weight, so you can sacrifice speed for strain ability to keep grinding for 8 secs and lift bigger weights. Wheras OLY requries more speed, but your still moving heavy loads - talking about the comp lifts, not power versions.

Well I have gotten bigger intially, especially from the long duration ISOS, but that has tailed off to some degree, I still weigh around 218-220lbs, the same as 12 weeks ago, but the muscles are bigger in the upperbody that's for sure - especially my back and triceps :)
You train the CNS and let it handle how much muscle you carry and how much you weigh. I asked him on his Q&A about limiting msucle gain -

"If an athlete focuses his training on his nervous system, and not his muscular system, then he will get what he needs in regards to his muscular system, not just what he wants. That is very important to understand. You need to address the athletes needs and not his wants; that is the role of a coach. The number one priority is always raising performance in the playing arena. If you focus on muscular factors then you classically will not accomplish this. For instance, it's not a matter of training the athlete to compete in the weight class he wants to compete in, it's a matter of preparing him to compete in the weight class that he needs to be competing in. Failure to do this has been tragic in the past, even leading to death.

But assuming your handle on individual specific training is suffering, the general cure is to limit your neuro-duration anaerobic reserve work. You can perform rate reserve work, duration response work and magnitude response work, with an occassional inducement of duration reserve work so as to limit sarcomplasmic hypertrophy(energetical size, i.e. bodybuilders size). The rate reserve work will keep him lean, the duration response work will keep his muscular development growing and the magnitude reserve work will teach his system how to turn it on, so to speak. We could also look at this further, such as defining the role of rate reserve work on work capacity integers, but I rather just leave it at that for now. Once your afloat we'll challenge you again."

Well as far as my sticking point goes its about where my hammies are at parallel, pretty much where the upper leg is at parallel to the floor, which is the case in any exercise, if you take the plyometric effect away.

Anyway my take on it - You train pinnacle capacity by doing pinnacle capacity, but like anything it only works for a while. Working on prime capacity will improve your overall work capacity so you can train harder, longer and with more volume before dropoff. So when your prime capacity is up your training productivity is also up.

Pinnacle/Prime isn't dependant on work brackets - its more on load selection with respect to your first set that you take to momentary failure. With Pinnacle - your work load stays the same every set, you just get banging out as many reps as you can to failure, until the amount of reps you can do is a certain number below your first maximal set to achieve dropoff Prime is off course with a load dropoff, and then repping until you can't match the same number of reps as the first maximal set
As far as time brackets, go the longer durations increase work capacity in the short brackets below. If you only do low rep stuff, you will stagnate. Have to mix it up, unload from one to the other.
 
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thanks for posting that info ccj, i have been wanting to ask about the training you're using now. interesting principles
 
That chart is from this article

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/DifferentStrokes.html

pretty much sums up the approach I'm using now. looking at my lifts, see how I lift the weight, how long it takes etc, and then decide what training methods to use to fix what I am lacking to get stronger etc. For now I'm after strength but later on I'll change my training to convert the strength into explosiveness :)

That is why training has to be customised for each person.

Too much BB'er stuff will make you injury prone, the ISO and OI can help heal tendonitus and strengthen tendons and joints nicely. ISO also stiffens up the muscle complex so its more "solid" for strength transmission, rather than springy. Something I needed to do with all the jumping and reactive stuff I abused before :)
 
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CoolColJ said:

That is a good point about speed... I guess I might as well give up my athletic prowess if I want to lift the really big weights... I guess you are right, it would be easier ditch the speed emphasis for the gains now and then to get the speed back later...

The big take home for me right now is that I need to do LOTS of duration work and de emphsize the speed element starting NOW - though I will do a little time to time (maybe every 2 weeks) just to keep from getting totally slow and to try to maintain my strenght in that area...

Also yeah- you are right on the weightclass thing- I will end up wherever I end up... SHW here I come! (also I remember reading it on the innosport website that same thing)

Also I hear what you are saying about mixing it up...

I figure I will study this till about July and then decide if I want to try it out or not....

I assume you have the book... (Is there any book you don't have? :))
How do you like it? Do the articles cover the most of it, or does it clear up a lot?
 
Becoming said:
That is a good point about speed... I guess I might as well give up my athletic prowess if I want to lift the really big weights... I guess you are right, it would be easier ditch the speed emphasis for the gains now and then to get the speed back later...

The big take home for me right now is that I need to do LOTS of duration work and de emphsize the speed element starting NOW - though I will do a little time to time (maybe every 2 weeks) just to keep from getting totally slow and to try to maintain my strenght in that area...

Also I hear what you are saying about mixing it up...

I figure I will study this till about July and then decide if I want to try it out or not....

I assume you have the book... (Is there any book you don't have? :))
How do you like it? Do the articles cover the most of it, or does it clear up a lot?

Not so much speed in the sense of athletic ability but movement speed in the powerlifts. You can either be like most people who do too much speed work, lift 300lbs easily in 3secs and then crash and burn with 310lbs at the sticking because, while you can generate a big spike of power, it doesn't last long. You can give up that speed and be able to lift 300lbs slowly in 8secs, and be able to grind it through the sticking point. You can now generate force for a long period of time, but it builds up slowly. Or better yet optimise both qualities be able to generate the lots of force fast, but yet able to sustain it for a long time and then lift 340lbs in 5secs :)
That's what it's all about 1+1=3

Well OIs are speed work for powerlifters. That's why you will see him use programs that alternate one session of 9 sec ISO and then the next session is 30sec OIs, for pure strength work and to improve strain qualities. The OIs unload the CNS from the heavy ISOs and maintain your speed and reactivity, while still being duration like.
Whereas for a speed athlete, OIs can be strength work and extreme reactive work his speed work.

from Mel Siff on OIs

ISOMETRIC TRAINING

Siff M C Supertraining Ch 4.2.4

Each class of isometric training produces its own distinct training effects. If isometric exercises are executed with the accent on the speed of developing force, then they can be as effective for developing explosive strength as dynamic exercises. The steepness of the force-time curve (Fig 3.3) and the greater magnitude of maximum isometric than dynamic maximum force for equivalent joint angles is the basis for this assertion. Therefore, it is doubtful whether it is always productive to maintain a rigid distinction between dynamic and isometric exercise. In general, the harder the muscles work in overcoming large resistance, the more closely the work becomes isometric, as may be seen from the force-velocity curves of muscle action (Figs 3.15 & 3.16). In other words, isometric work is really the limiting case of dynamic work as the velocity of movement tends to zero.....

Furthermore, because the inhibitory effects usually associated with voluntary muscle action are not encountered in reflexive isometric contraction, even greater explosive force can be displayed isometrically than dynamically.

In connection with this, it makes sense to distinguish isometric training for developing absolute strength and isometric training for developing explosive strength and to use one or the other in the appropriate circumstances. However, this still requires detailed experimental corroboration. Nevertheless, isometrics should not be neglected as a means of strength development, so that negative evaluations of this method are premature......>

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Explosive movements or oscillatory (bouncing) isometrics of the larger muscles groups over their optimal reflexive region may stimulate growth more powerfully than slower methods over the full range in some subjects ('Supertraining' 1998 Ch 4.2). For those who are familiar with the world of aerobics dance, the Callan Pinckney's system of 'Callanetics' used lightly loaded ballistic pulses based on this principle to produce physical changes which some bodybuilders said was impossible to girlfriends and spouses who did it!

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Yes I have it. I don't have that many books, the 3 main ones are Supertraining, Science and Practise and DB's book.
Its a good book, a bit harder to understand than his articles, require much reading, its a manuscript and has black and white photos of various exercises scattered throughout which are still frames of the exercise videos. The book has "holes" though, you need all the articles and Q&As to fill in the blanks, while the articles need the book to fully explain everything :)
There are plenty of stuff in the book that is categorised by the type of neural responce they invoke.
Strength and power training used to be too much guesswork for me, but not as much now. It's like a whole new world! :D
 
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Friday 30th April - Ivanko SuperGripper Workout

numbers refer to pounds on the calculator I found on the net that spits out spring positions to estimate poundage

Warmups
warmups - rest 2mins
10 rubber band finger extensions between sets

31.5 x8
48.7 x5, x3
64.6 x3, x2
79.4 x2, x1
96 2x1

then rest 3mins

----- rest 6mins, 3mins between hands
10sec finger extension ISO holds between sets

100.3 x 8+2(2mm and 5mm short) - left hand

4% dropoff
96 x 8
96 x 6+1(5mm short) - left hand

Cooldown - 31.5x20 using thumb on handle and non-lock,
Finger Extensions with rubber band x20

new warmup scheme is much better
 
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