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Creation of an Explosive Mofo - My Training Journal :)

asdfzxcv said:
I am curious,what kind of strength do you think you will need to achieve your long term goals?

44 inch standing vertical jump and blazing speed?
get lean and probbaly a 2.5 times bodyweight fullsquat at least
I convert strength to power pretty well, so getting the strength is the hard part, while keeping my weight down. The standing vertical jump is more dependant on strength to weight ratios too.
So if I stay at 200lbs, I need a 500lb fullsquat :chomp:

I've never eaten enough protein before, and now that I am getting more in, and despite trying to lean up, the strength gains are finally coming along nicely.
More sleep would help too...
 
Damn I didnt realise you were going for a 44inch vertical,thats just insane in a good way lol.I didnt think there were more then a handful of people capable of doing that,the best I have heard of are oly lifters with around 40-41inch verticals.I suppose they would get a few more inches if they focused solely on jumping,but they are not lacking for strength thats for sure:rolleyes: .
 
yeah they don't play volleyball or BBall enough and work on reactivity etc
they would probbaly jump another 3-4 inches higher if they did :)
The olylifters I've seen jump don't look relaxed and snappy, they are pretty strength dominant jumpers - obviously due to their training and sport
Throwers/Shotputters etc can jump too, and they do a lot of reactive work, and are as strong and explosive as the best olylifters, but most are too heavy and aren't the leanest guys around.

I want to dunk the bball with 2 hands standing under the ring, and at my height and reach I need 44inches to do that ;)


remeber this guy? He has a 44inch VJ...

coolcolj said:
stats -

5'9"
199-206lbs depending on what time of day.
standing vertical jump- 44"
squat raw and top of thigh to parallel 740
front squat 545
powerclean 380
jerk 365

Ring = 10 feet

standing jump
5feet9_44inch_StandingJump.JPG


running jump
5feet9_47+inch_RunningJump.JPG

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seanjos, to answer your question i do train five days per week, sometimes a tempo run on sat. depending on what time of year it is. as for the vert, the biggest helper for me was the box squat. it took my vert and brought it to the next level. three years ago i measured 38.5, the next year 40.5 and now my 44 which was acutally last summer. it also added about 6 honest inches to my friends vert who trained with me last summer in a three month time period. the wide stance on the box squat really gets the hips involved.

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first off my squat and vert always went hand in hand. my workouts are a combo of cf, elitetrack workouts, westside barbell, a bunch of other sites and sources and my own ideas. check these out and if you want a good squat check out westside barbell.
as for box height it varies. parallel for me is about 16 inches, but i got the best results it seemed, as far as vert improvment, when i used an 18" box. the weight i was able to use was actually more than my squat.
my friend started the summer with a three quarter squat with about 350 at a bw of 190. he did what i did and he squatted 495 to close out the summer, with a full squat. as to what helped my friend acheive the increase, it was probably both the box squat and the squat as we used them in short three week cycles. we also used the dynamic box squat, later on in the week in the offseason with about 50% of our maxes, concentrating on bar speed.
as for my squat and how i got it. the first time i stepped under a squat rack i was able to do 315 (probably a three quarter squat looking back at best) but i was also a skinny 17 year old. i train by myself, always have except for the three months in the summer, and i use everything for motivation and i go balls to the wall. also, i always worked on my weakest link, whatever it was, whether it was hamstrings, butt, back, whatever, and made it my strong points. think about it, if every part of your body can squat 500 lbs but your hamstrings can only handle 400 lbs. than you need to work on your hamstrings.
my core is strong from squatting or is it my squat is strong from doing core work. either way i have always pushed my strength levels for my core like i did any other bodypart. all guys go crazy over the benchpress, but what if they put the same effort into their core training, oly lifts, etc.
i dont deadlift often, i usually do stiff legged deadlifts. for these i vary either using a snatch grip for more posterior chain involvement of just regular grip(using a hook grip of course). the weights i use for sld get over 450 lbs for reps. as for a regular deadlift i really dont know.
my squat was just over 400 lbs not too long ago and my vert not much over 30, so you can make huge gains. hardwork, research, clean diet, and listening to your body will all help you get what you are looking for. but my biggets gains probably came from the oly lifts as i never did them before. dont neglect these lifts as the explosivness in these lifts is just what you are looking for in a vert jump. oh yeah and dont forget the track work !!!!
hope this answers your questions and helps you obtain your goals.

he posted some recent stats :eek2:

bw- 200
lifts from the past two weeks
bench- 325x6
squat- 605x 10
front squat 455x7
powerclean 335x 5
vert-46.5 inch
standing longjump- 11'7"
60m sprint - 7.07 sec
 
Yeah I remember you posted that about 5-6weeks ago I think.He is definately a gifted individual,I wouldnt be suprised if he was ''enhanced'' also.315lb squat first time is quite a feat and a 740 back squat is right up there with top oly lifters at that weight.He could probably powerclean more with that kind of strength,but still an amazing athlete at any rate.

Also are you training for any particular sport or just for personal satisfaction/goals?
 
CCJ, didn't you say something about him jumping higher due to his calves being higher up or something? I could've swore you said it meant he had longer tendons and could store energy better.

If that's the case, mine are pretty much the same as his. x_X
 
asdfzxcv said:
Yeah I remember you posted that about 5-6weeks ago I think.He is definately a gifted individual,I wouldnt be suprised if he was ''enhanced'' also.315lb squat first time is quite a feat and a 740 back squat is right up there with top oly lifters at that weight.He could probably powerclean more with that kind of strength,but still an amazing athlete at any rate.

Also are you training for any particular sport or just for personal satisfaction/goals?


he just has a fast CNS, just add strength and you have power :)
I guess I'm a bit like that too, I have a pretty fast CNS, quick reflexes and limb movement etc, and aggressive as hell. I had a 28inch standing VJ when I was 15 as measured in PE class without any training, 3rd highest in the class. I was around 155lbs then though. Not that fast in running though. But I wasn't born strong, so I got faster as I got bigger and stronger. But if I stayed at 155lbs with my strength levels now, damn I would fly ;)

Sport wise? just for fun and I play recreational BBall, well used to play a lot, and that's why I started training actually, so I could dunk :D

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Didn't get as much as sleep last night. Feel slightly drained, and sore all over.
I hate this icky feeling I get when wearing winter clothing, and being sore all over, and that warm drained kind of feeling in your head....makes it's unconfortable to move around!

weighed 91.4kg 201lbs straight out of bed in underwear
carb loading today

12min walking, light actve recovery work and easy stretching
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
CCJ, didn't you say something about him jumping higher due to his calves being higher up or something? I could've swore you said it meant he had longer tendons and could store energy better.

If that's the case, mine are pretty much the same as his. x_X

only from a runup, and more so with a single leg type of jump.
Seems like only in that pic, in another pic, it doesn't look that long.

he's just damn strong and can convert enough of that strength into power.
he only had a 30 odd VJ when he was squatting 400 or so lbs according to him, so he's not a born genetic freak like some guys.
 
Hey CCJ, what do you mean by a fast CNS? I know you mentioned aggressiveness, quick reflexes and limb movement - anything else? 'cause if not, I guess I'm similar to you and he as well. :) Always had snappy reflexes.

Although I'm so much more in synch with my body - I can completely feel the difference in my reactivity and reflexes when I'm burnt out. Some days I'm inhuman, others I feel worse than a geriatric.
 
Anthrax Invasion said:
Hey CCJ, what do you mean by a fast CNS? I know you mentioned aggressiveness, quick reflexes and limb movement - anything else? 'cause if not, I guess I'm similar to you and he as well. :) Always had snappy reflexes.

Although I'm so much more in synch with my body - I can completely feel the difference in my reactivity and reflexes when I'm burnt out. Some days I'm inhuman, others I feel worse than a geriatric.

basicly how fast nervous system can send and receive signals. It's mostly genetic, so if your slow there, you will never be as explosive as someone who is fast there. You can optimise it off course

this KellyB article explains it
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/quicknessvsspeed.html
 
coolcolj said:
basicly how fast nervous system can send and receive signals. It's mostly genetic, so if your slow there, you will never be as explosive as someone who is fast there. You can optimise it off course

this KellyB article explains it
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/quicknessvsspeed.html

Well according to that, I'm pretty quick. My interval system rocks, aside from my ability to quickly tap my foot when standing. Sitting they move quick, but when trying to tap while standing, I get tightness along my tibia. Then again, I never do direct tibia work, and my calves are genetically my best bodypart (huge without ever having been fat). Perhaps there's an imbalance causing my shin to cramp when I tap my foot?

I reckon this could, in some way, hamper my sprinting ability, too.
 
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