the EXECUTIONER....

[Drifter]

Gee, last I heard it cost somewhere in the vicinity of $40000 a year to keep a prisoner locked up. You're telling me its more expesinve to kill someone? Hell if thats the case I'll buy my own shells and only charge the gov. $10000 saving them a shitload of money

And I agree with Warik. At the minimum you kill murdrers and rapists thus preventing those same people from murdering and raping again.

 

[RyanH]

. At the minimum you kill murdrers and rapists thus preventing those same people from murdering and raping again.

Can't those murderers and rapists be prevented from committing those crimes once again by locking them up for the rest of their lives?

Further, what's the greater punishment----life in prison or sudden death?

 

[GenetiKing]

Re: Re: the EXECUTIONER....

Rice tastes best when eaten with chopsticks?

LOL!!!

 

[chesty]

China is a bad example. When we fought for our freedom 200 some years ago, the penalty for patriotism was death. It did not stop us. Now for the chinese citizen that has a meager means of existence at best, his options our a chance at a better life or death, any chance is better than no chance. Now for the chinese who do have more than the average. Good, hope they died miserably.

Death is a deterrent only when carried out swiftly. It is like being punished by your father with a spanking, only the spanking came two weeks after you screwed up. You will not associate the punishment with the crime. Neither does the average criminal. No comprehension of the consequences of their actions. Next, by hiding it from the public that further reduces its possible impact on society. Stop hiding it and let people see what the consequences are.

Now, swift execution of the punishment, in public view that has the ability to deter. Do not take away anyones right to appeal, just put death row dudes as first priority and give 'em a year in which to execute their appeals.

Yes, a dead criminal cannot repeat their crimes and continue to harm society a plus. Yes, it is also retribution, eye for eye, tooth for a tooth, I am in full agreement.

So, will we be sending UN troops to china to stop all those inhumane happenings? I hope not. (we won't, I was being sarcastic)

 

[Iron Thrower]

Earlier point proven-----the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime, and thus the USA is wasting its image, money, and resources on its ELECTRIC and INJECTIBLE weapons of death.........

So what do you propose that America should do to prevent crime. Because giving a lifer 3 meals a day and a roof overhead for the rest of his life is NOT punishment. I agree with Chesty that execution should be a fair but swift practice.

 

[RyanH]

Death is a deterrent only when carried out swiftly. It is like being punished by your father with a spanking, only the spanking came two weeks after you screwed up. You will not associate the punishment with the crime. Neither does the average criminal. No comprehension of the consequences of their actions. Next, by hiding it from the public that further reduces its possible impact on society. Stop hiding it and let people see what the consequences are.

Now, swift execution of the punishment, in public view that has the ability to deter. Do not take away anyones right to appeal, just put death row dudes as first priority and give 'em a year in which to execute their appeals.

Yes, a dead criminal cannot repeat their crimes and continue to harm society a plus. Yes, it is also retribution, eye for eye, tooth for a tooth, I am in full agreement.

Chesty: Your argument begs the question of whether it's fair punishment to execute----to end someone's life SWIFTLY. Shouldn't ending someone's life require a long deliberative process to ensure that the right person is in fact the one who truly committed the crime? Shortchanging the appeals process will do nothing but create room for more error. When dealing with any citizen's life the stakes are very high----life is paramount......

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Drifter (and warik),

It is MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive to execute a prisoner than to keep him incarcerated even for 50 years. Yes, it literally costs millions to execute a prisoner in the US.

Most of this is due to the legal fees involved. Most death row inmates are indigent. As such, the state provides for their legal services in order to ensure they have decent counsel.

Before you ask why, I'll tell you. History is fraught with defendant's attorney's doing a shit job - even falling asleep at the trial. This gave the defendant the perfectly valid appeal of "improper representation". Many such appeals were granted and sentences commuted to life, as they should have been. In order to counter this, many states (beginning with Florida) created a legal department to provide decent counsel to death row prisoners.

Therefore the state is picking up both sides of the legal cost. Big bucks.

Please spare me the emotional whining about how they "don;t deserve that". everyone is entitled to due process, even fucking McVeigh or teh shitballs involved in the Wendy's massacre. (5 people tied up and shot in Wendy's here in NY)


RyanH,

I will never advance the "deterrent" argument. The death penalty is punishment much like a prison sentence. Death penalty proponents would do themselves a favor by admitting that.

Also - I don't believe in the use of the death penalty unless there is *absolute certainty* of guilt: DNA, videotape, etc. We need not be executing criminals based on eyewitness testimony.

By that argument McVeigh would be alive but I could tolerate that. (The wendy's guys are on tape.) One can do minimal research and find cases where people were executed because of eyewitness testimony. In one outrageous one, a black man was identified by a woman from 100 feet away AT NIGHT.

Not to be racial but a black man at night from 100 feet - that isn't right.

Ryan - your China introcdution was emotionalism and slanted - the usual for you - but a good post.

Hope we can stay on topic.

 

[ROIDJUNKIE]

Well Ryan I guess you found a new home.........What does china do if a family has three kids....hhhhmmmm

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Death is a deterrent only when carried out swiftly. It is like being punished by your father with a spanking, only the spanking came two weeks after you screwed up. You will not associate the punishment with the crime. Neither does the average criminal. No comprehension of the consequences of their actions.


In a perfect world maybe. But there are too many instances where verdicts have been overturned/new evidence comes to light after a "swift" time has expired.

Next, by hiding it from the public that further reduces its possible impact on society. Stop hiding it and let people see what the consequences are.

McVeigh;s execution brought more media coverage than the national election. I don't see what was hiding. If you're calling for public executions please consider Iraq as your new country of record.

 

[May1010]

Matt,

Why do you have to be such a god damn wind bag? Jesus Christ! Get in there, post your idea, and get the fuck out! Your posts take to god damn long to read and I lose interest before you've made your point.

Who the hell did you blow to become moderator?


Love,
May1010



P.S. Where's that pic of you doing the splits?