Hello Pro-Choice!!

[Shak]

Not if legislation is involved it isn't. And if taxpayer dollars are used to fund it (they are) then it is not a single gender issue.

exactly why i thought the picture on the cover of the tribune was funny.


there is really no point in arguing over the abortion issue. people have very strong beliefs one way or another...it is such a complex issue affecting gender, personal rights, religion, ethics, etc. that the arguments could go on eternally.

personally, i would never have an abortion. however, i would never make that decision for another woman.

 

[hellboy]

I'm reversing the order to which I answer these cause I think it flows better. Not trying to change any content.

Ok good point. In my view, more fundamental questions supercede this angle. But that is obviously just my view.

Even when people agree (for or agains) they usually don't have the same reasons. As I said it encompasses so *many* different issues and there are innumerable angles you can look at it from.

To clarify, I am just asking people to argue *why* abortion is a personal choice, and not suppose it a priori. Otherwise, to me, it looks like a pissing contest.

Ok. Well considering what I said above. *MY* opinion is that abortion only directly affects the person actually having the procedure. I feel that it is VERY WRONG for the government to pass laws that force women to give birth to children that they don't want to have. Women should not be forced to give birth to children they do not want to have. I know. I said it twice. I feel that it's that important.

 

[Shak]

*MY* opinion is that abortion only directly affects the person actually having the procedure.

agreed.

do men bleed between their legs 7 days out of each month?
do they deal with severe cramps during that time?
do they have rollercoaster emotions that they can't control?
do they carry a baby in their wombs for nine months?
do they experience the pain of labor?
do they go through the difficulties of menapause?

men can father a child, but they will never give birth.
abortion affects those people who can give birth. women.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

agreed.

do men bleed between their legs 7 days out of each month?
do they deal with severe cramps during that time?
do they have rollercoaster emotions that they can't control?
do they carry a baby in their wombs for nine months?
do they experience the pain of labor?
do they go through the difficulties of menapause?

men can father a child, but they will never give birth.
abortion affects those people who can give birth. women.

If we were strictly to adhere to this, then we would really need a system of laws that accounts for everyone's unique biology. The beautiful thing about the statue of Justice is the blindfold.

I always thought it was a Golden Rule issue. Do unto others...

I would never advise anyone to get an abortion. If someone did it to me when I was in the womb, I'd be royally pissed.

Since we all went through that fetal stage of development, doing unto others seems appropriate.

But anyway, agreeing to disagree seems to be par for the course so....

I'd settle for an agreement that not a penny of taxpayer dolalrs be spent on this procedure.

 

[IHateBrolies]

*MY* opinion is that abortion only directly affects the person actually having the procedure.

If everyone agreed on that, there would be much less argument. Many people would then accept the concequences that you described of your opinion. Therefore, the only useful thing to do is try to support your opinion.

This is related to point 1 in my original post.

I agree that there are different angles to look at the issue from. But some angles supercede others by definition. Although, I do agree that my original post went overboard and missed the fact that there are angles out of my line of sight.

EDIT: Did I totally miss your point or something?

 

[velvett]

While I agree late term abortion is at best disgusting,
it is missleading to think late term abortions are performed just because someone whimsically decided they didn't want to be a parent..

THANK YOU!


Finally.

 

[hellboy]

If we were strictly to adhere to this, then we would really need a system of laws that accounts for everyone's unique biology.

Matt - she's making points. Giving examples. She's not setting down a set of rigid laws and saying that we should 'strictly adhere' to them.

I'd settle for an agreement that not a penny of taxpayer dolalrs be spent on this procedure.

That would probably apease some people. Obviously not all of em though.

I missed my workout today because of this fucking thread. Dammit.

 

[big_bad_buff]

So, If I come kill your pregnant wife 8 months along, should I be charged with murder, or a double murder? I'v never heard a response to this question before

 

[hellboy]

If everyone agreed on that, there would be much less argument. Many people would then accept the concequences that you described of your opinion. Therefore, the only useful thing to do is try to support your opinion.

This is related to point 1 in my original post.

I agree that there are different angles to look at the issue from. But some angles supercede others by definition. Although, I do agree that my original post went overboard and missed the fact that there are angles out of my line of sight.

EDIT: Did I totally miss your point or something?

I'm not sure. I'm losing track to be honest. But let me try this.

You said: "But some angles supercede others by definition."

My assertation is that this is not true. Or that it is different for each person. I can give MY opinion as to why it's a personal (woman's) decision all day long. That was the question that I thought you originally asked. To state WHY it's a personal decision.

If you believe that everyone's angle should be viewed equally (as I do in this case) then you will see why it can't really be resolved by traditional mean of debate and can only boil down to one opinion vs the other.

If you do believe that some angles supercede others then I think you should prioritize these angles that YOU feel are the most important. BUT - if you do this - you still will not be proving your point. You will be only be posting your own opinion - as I have done - about what angles have priority over others.

Sigh. I hope that made a little sense. I also skipped lunch today.

I do not think this is an issue that can ever be argued or defended logicallyso it's hard to get my point across.

 

[hellboy]

Can't we go back to the old republicans vs democrats argument? Or bitch about the economy or something? At least those don't involve dead babies.