Poll which pct is better no bs here this will show the results

[Nelson Montana]

exactly. There is so much more to pct then juust what nolva and clomid provide. So in the end I say regardless if you are going to use clomid and or nolva or not you should be adding more to your pct. I have seen the test recovery stack work for people. I have seen just nolva work for people. I have seen nolva and or clomid make people feel like crap. I have seen people use just sustain alpha and a little bit of clomid and love it. I have seen people use my forged post cycle and also sustain alpha and love it.

What I am getting at is I have seen all of it work in different ways for different people. Poeple see me recommend all kinds of different pct's for different people depending on the cycle they are on. And 99.99% of the time the advice I have given people walked away damn happy with it when they took it.

Clomid has its place and so does nolvadex. And for use to argue about it day in and day out is retarded.


I do have an agenda. I have had this agenda for a long time now. That agenda is to help everyone as best I can. To give them advice I know has worked for many.

I have said to many many people in pm's when asked is just nolva going to cover me for this cycles pct. Yes you will be fine bro. Of course I also say but you will feel a lot better if you add this or that and hey what ya know I was right.

I even try to remember each and ever members patterns and as much as I can about them as a person. I try to remember there past cycles and what has worked for them or has not.

Hey bro remember your last cycle you didn't do so well with that deca. I see you are running tren in this this cycle. I think you should make sure you have some dostinex and maybe run some provione in your cycle to. Don't run that nolva for pct. Run some unleashed and some sustain alpha. Throw in 25mg ed clomid to if you like. That would be much better for you this time.



It saddens me when I come here and I see threads with people arguing or at each other over something like this.




WHY?? OOOOO he has an agenda He has to push what the sponsors are selling. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH hello take a look around you!!!!!!! ef sponsors sell clomid and nolva to and guess what ding ding ding I work for them.

So no my agenda is never to push away nolva and or clomid and that is not the agenda of any of the leaders of this forum. Because I am leading the leaders of the forum and they are for the most part just like me.


I work for elite its self, I work for every single sponsor here, I work for myself and most of all I work for the members. People have asked me fore discounts to places that are not even a sponsor of elite many time. Guess what I got them and I give them to anyone who asks.

All of this just disrupts a community. And its flat out retarded.

In this game we have all had out good pct's or bad pct's and our great pct's. We have all had a product we found we love and ones we do not care for. We have all found the cycles that work best for us and the ones that do not.

We all did it together for the most part. Some one helped some one who helped some one who helped the next guy.


In the end it all boils down to this. everyone here is getting a good understanding of steroids,pct,ai's and the whole nine yards. Everyone here learns from each other. And in the end everyone ends up finding what works great for them.

So when you think about it like that. What is there left to complain about? What that nelson told so and so to use Aromasin,unleadhed and sustain for pct? Are you going to tell me that is not going to work? well it all depends but I can tell you this. I have seen it work for many people. And anyone here (even you hayez and you to future and others who have been around a wile) have also seen it work for people. You can not deny the fact that it has worked for many people. Nor can anyone deny the fact that just clomid worked for this guy or that guy or a friend of a friend.

Shamless plugs???? NO maybe some times but for the most part ADVICE GIVEN FROM A FRIEND. Or from some one who has been around a wile and seen it work.


I mean even hayez You are in this thread


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/sustain-alpha-review-590899.html

and this thread

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/sustain-alpha-review-update-594728.html

And look who else is in these threads 1500,njmuscleguy,GUARDIAN (rip) and many others.

Its threads like this I like to see. Where people realize hey I just found something better or something that works great for me. Hayez was and is a nolva/clomid lover for life. But he took the advice of some one and used something different. What was the end result for him? Something better!!!

What they hell is wrong with that.

There is many other threads where people have used many different types of pct. Some of them worked for them and some of them did not. Some where better and some where not.


Here on ef we are always helping each other to grow and reach that point where we have all found what works best for us. that is what we do here. If you do not think so then maybe you got your eyes closed or something.

Lets get over this shit already. The product do work.

Great points.

Yeah, why is it that dozens of people say they have problems with nolva and the hcg/supps PCT worked for them and then someone else comes on and say "STICK WITH THE TRIED AND TRUE! DOING OTHERWISE IS WRONG." I mean, it flat out ignores reality.

Now, if you want to say, "I have no problem with clomid" then great. I'd still recommend UNLEASHED and Sustain (which, by the way, isn't even my product).

And when someone says; "Nowhere else but there are people saying this!" Hey, I take it as a compliment. I think EF has the sharpest guys and the most cutting edge supplements. Most message boards are filled with newbies and pretend gurus. Who cares what they say?

 

[needtogetaas]

Great points.

Yeah, why is it that dozens of people say they have problems with nolva and the hcg/supps PCT worked for them and then someone else comes on and say "STICK WITH THE TRIED AND TRUE! DOING OTHERWISE IS WRONG." I mean, it flat out ignores reality.

Now, if you want to say, "I have no problem with clomid" then great. I'd still recommend UNLEASHED and Sustain (which, by the way, isn't even my product).

And when someone says; "Nowhere else but there are people saying this!" Hey, I take it as a compliment. I think EF has the sharpest guys and the most cutting edge supplements. Most message boards are filled with newbies and pretend gurus. Who cares what they say?

btw this is flat out wrong!!!!! And I will prove it in a heart beat. People all over the internet are using other things for pct. People all over the damn internet are using unleashed post cycle,sustain alpha,TRS,forged post cycle and or clomid.

Not just on this site and go ahead and say they are not. I would love to prove you wrong.

 

[ConanX]

A lot of guys on other bodybuilding websites use a product called Humanofort. I used a couple bottles in the past and just threw it into my PCT for the hell of it.

Lots of people use lots of different things. HCG is king of HPTA function. Nolvadex, Clomid, Sustain Alpha, Unleashed are all good choices and can be combined depending on your $ and goals.

 

[HAYEZ]

sustain was a great add on to my pct..i have always said though that it should be used together with nolva or clomid.. i still have 3 bottles in my bathroom..

i would never subistitute sustain for nolva...i know nolva works but i would add on the sustain

 

[Nelson Montana]

btw this is flat out wrong!!!!! And I will prove it in a heart beat. People all over the internet are using other things for pct. People all over the damn internet are using unleashed post cycle,sustain alpha,TRS,forged post cycle and or clomid.

Not just on this site and go ahead and say they are not. I would love to prove you wrong.

True. There are plenty of people outside of EF that have caught on. But since it's "birthplace" was here and a lot of other sites are still stuck in the dark agaes, it's something that people will claim.

Bottom line -- if these supps didn;t work, don't you think people would be saying so? I never ONCE heard anyone say it killed their libido, yet nolva and clomid do that all the time. So if you've never run PCT before -- what makes more sense?

 

[C Manson]

my post came across abit derogatory and im sorry.

its just ive read a few post from you guys saying clomid/nolva are useless and your products are much better...but im sure millions of aas users couldnt have got it so wrong over the years..nolva/clomid obviously does work.

ive used sustain alpha and quite liked it but no way would i replace the proven pct methods with it....clomid/nolva with your stuff on top is the best option...but imo clomid/nolva is vital for pct where as i dont think your products are...still a great add on though.

 

[Nelson Montana]

my post came across abit derogatory and im sorry.

its just ive read a few post from you guys saying clomid/nolva are useless and your products are much better...but im sure millions of aas users couldnt have got it so wrong over the years..nolva/clomid obviously does work.

ive used sustain alpha and quite liked it but no way would i replace the proven pct methods with it....clomid/nolva with your stuff on top is the best option...but imo clomid/nolva is vital for pct where as i dont think your products are...still a great add on though.

This is the myth that is so hard to dispel. People get LOTS of things wrong. At one time, even doctors thought cigerettes were good for you because smoking was relaxing. WERE THEY WRONG? YES!!!

And another thing...millions of people have had problems with nolva and clomid. Why can't you accept that? It's a fact. The supps don't have side effects. That is a FACT.

This reminds me of an old newscast they showed from 1964 where they were talking to an old lady on the street and she said she would never vote for Kennedy because he said he was going to take away her TV. The newsman corrected her and let it be known the actual quote from Kennedy was that he would be away from the TV cameras for a while because he was going abroad. She said: "I still won't vote for him. I don't want to take any chances."

And THAT, is the rational at play here.

 

[C Manson]

but surely it cant be coensidence that the guys that are endorsing these particular products are the only ones who seem to know any different and the rest off the aas world are still in the dark.

me and people i know have had bloods done after nolva/clomid and have recovered fully...along with many other aas users around the globe im sure.

these meds are obviously are gonna have certain side effects,especially when they are not being used what they are origianlly designed for.

 

[needtogetaas]

A lot of guys on other bodybuilding websites use a product called Humanofort. I used a couple bottles in the past and just threw it into my PCT for the hell of it.

Lots of people use lots of different things. HCG is king of HPTA function. Nolvadex, Clomid, Sustain Alpha, Unleashed are all good choices and can be combined depending on your $ and goals.

There is no refuting the fact that hcg is pretty much the king though. I mean nothing can do what it does. Well there is one thing but its almost imposable to get your hands on it. I got about 15k's of it and it took me almost a year to get it, and I may not be able to get any more of it.

 

[needtogetaas]

True. There are plenty of people outside of EF that have caught on. But since it's "birthplace" was here and a lot of other sites are still stuck in the dark agaes, it's something that people will claim.

Bottom line -- if these supps didn;t work, don't you think people would be saying so? I never ONCE heard anyone say it killed their libido, yet nolva and clomid do that all the time. So if you've never run PCT before -- what makes more sense?

This is where we differ just a bit. I have seen some threads where people said sustain alpha,unleashed,post cycle and some adex did not work for them. In fact I have all these threads booked marked and know exactly where they are. I keep them booked marked so when some aaaah ill informed person wants to come behind a statement like the one you just made and say something dumb like

(of course there is no threads like that they would get deleted or the member would get banned). I can throw it right in there face and say............ Hell no they would not and here is the prof of that!!!!!!!

Just like I have a bunch of threads book marked where clomid or nolva did not work for people or made them feel like shit.


I would also never say that clomid and or nolva will not work (depending on the cycle) but at the same time I know for a fact most of the products talked about on elite do work for a lot of people. I know they work for a lot of people on there own and I know they make a lot of peoples pct better when added to the pct they always do.

I know this for a fact. Just nolva or clomid alone is not the (best option) and maybe just maybe some of the product on there own are not (the best option) ether for some cycles. This is why my advice is different from person to person and case to case.

I always look at whats best. Lots of people only want to look at (just enough) but no one should do that.