Is clomid necessary w/ nolvadex?

[drug_against_war]

Hey vets and mods,
If I have nolvadex to take during my cycle and plan on using nolva w/ HCG post-cycle, do I still need Clomid? I've seen a lot of people insist on it, but I'm not sure if that includes using nolva too. I've read that they are virtually the same, but nolva is more potent and can therefore be taken in smaller amounts than Clomid (which is why Clomid causes so many negative side effects). I'm planning on using a 500mg Testex/200mg Deca cycle with 30mg D-bol weeks 1-6, so it's possible I might get some strong aromartization.
Any thoughts?

Thanks

 

[Zyglamail]

If your continueing nolva post cycle you dont need clomid.

 

[bigtris07]

What if you are taking arimidex. Could you continue taking that post-cycle in place of Clomid? You would also be taking HCG as well.

 

[bigtris07]

Bump

 

[The Terminator]

If your continueing nolva post cycle you dont need clomid.

I don't completely buy that, if your are speaking of the anti-e properties then ok, but for test restoration clomid is a necessity IMO. Plus with the low cost of clomid why would you not use it? After all the hard work you put in during your cycle why risk losing ANY of it post cycle......

 

[Never Enough]

What about using them in conjunction post-cycle? Like the typical clomid dosing schedule and say 10 or 20 mg's of nolva?

 

[Krozone]

Hmmmmmm

I thought that Nolva was a Mild Estrogen. This particular estrogen binded to certain receptor thus blocking other estros from binding there?

If you were to Run Nolva post cycle would Nolva actually get your own test production going?

Personally I'd stick with Clomid.

Kro!

 

[genarr3]

I know that nolvadex will restore test levels but I didn't think it was half as good as clomid for post cycle??

Everything I've read from people that actually understand how these things work <DrJMW, Zyg, William Llewellyn> all say the same thing - it's better then Clomid.

Read ...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=155494&highlight=Nolvadex*

 

[drug_against_war]

This is what I read about it at www.bodybuilding.com. If Clomid is more effective it may be because much higher doses are taken than nolvadex (relatively speaking):

So which one should you use? Well personally, I'd have to say Nolvadex. Both as an on-cycle anti-estrogen and a post-cycle therapy. As an anti-estrogen its simply much stronger, demonstrated by the fact that better results are obtained with 20-40 mg than with 100-150 mg of clomid. For post-cycle, this plays a key role as well. It deactivates rebound estrogen much faster and more effective. But most importantly, Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that Tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit1.

Another noteworthy fact about Nolvadex is that it acts more potently as an estrogen in the liver. As you remember, I mentioned that clomiphene and tamoxifen are basically weak estrogens. Well, tamoxifen is apparently still quite potent in the liver. This offers us the positive benefits of this hormone in the liver, while avoiding its negative effects elsewhere in the body. As such Nolvadex can have a very positive impact on negative cholesterol levels2 in the body, and therefore too should be considered a better choice than clomid. It will not solve the problem of bad cholesterol levels during Steroid use, but will help to contain the problem to a larger degree.

Another reason why I promote the use of Nolvadex over Clomid post-cycle (as if being 3-4 times stronger and having more of a direct effect on restoring natural test wasn't enough) is because it's a lot safer. Not just because it improves lipid profiles, but also because it simply doesn't have the intrinsic side-effects that Clomid has. Clomid causes more acne for sure, but that's mainly because you need to use a 3-4 times higher dose. But Clomid seems to also affect the eyesight. Long-term clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex

 

[Cliff]

I've been on nolvadex at 30mg per day for 1 week now! I was thinking 3 weeks then it's time for blood tests!

anybody know how long I should stay on nolva?