Hello Pro-Choice!!

[PolishHammer1977]

Matt -vs-Velvett

You guys should have light sabers

 

[atlantabiolab]

I want to strangle you sometimes.

But you get all squishy feeling when I post on love and relationships.

[/quote]And for you political hounds.

You should be happy that for every aborted child with parents that have no health care - you the taxpaper won't have to pay for the term of their pregnancy and for the delivery.
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You can do better than this. You know that I care not how many other wrongs occur in the world when discussing issues. Two wrongs don't make a right. It is either right or wrong. This is how man advances; not by stalemate.

 

[atlantabiolab]

You have no idea what it is to be a woman and I doubt you will ever get over yourself to realise that your point of view is not the only possible and acceptable point of view.

When it comes to the choice or consequence of sex - I'm sorry it is NOT gender neutral.

There is no equality between a woman carrying a child for nine months and a man that supplied the sperm. We like to think so or hope so from an emotional standpoint but physically and socially there just is not a common comparison.

Action IS gender neutral, it is volition, which is inherent in all humans. I will never know what it is like to be Bill Gates, but it matters not when dealing with human action, we are bound by the same rules. He may have the money to bend them to his benefit, but it is still manipulating a principle.

As for the gender differences, wouldn't you agree that BECAUSE a woman has more responsibility, in terms of pregnancy, that she should take more precautions? If the man is not responsible, then the woman must prioritize the value of the act of sex vs. the risk of pregnancy.

Does abortion promote good responsibility or remove a need for precaution? Many may believe that women who have this procedure are emotionally scarred for life and become very responsible, this is not always the case. Tell young girls that there is nothing wrong with this action, that it is not a life, that it is nothing more than a ball of tissues, then by what rationale are we to suppose that they will "feel" as if they are doing something "wrong"? By what reasoning are we to suppose that they will wisen up about sexual conduct? The cost of the procedure will be their only obstacle, not wisdom, for they have done nothing wrong.

Studies have shown that a significant number of women who have had abortions have had more than one. From personal experience, I know this to be the case.

 

[velvett]

Action IS gender neutral, it is volition, which is inherent in all humans. I will never know what it is like to be Bill Gates, but it matters not when dealing with human action, we are bound by the same rules. He may have the money to bend them to his benefit, but it is still manipulating a principle.

As for the gender differences, wouldn't you agree that BECAUSE a woman has more responsibility, in terms of pregnancy, that she should take more precautions? If the man is not responsible, then the woman must prioritize the value of the act of sex vs. the risk of pregnancy.

Does abortion promote good responsibility or remove a need for precaution? Many may believe that women who have this procedure are emotionally scarred for life and become very responsible, this is not always the case. Tell young girls that there is nothing wrong with this action, that it is not a life, that it is nothing more than a ball of tissues, then by what rationale are we to suppose that they will "feel" as if they are doing something "wrong"? By what reasoning are we to suppose that they will wisen up about sexual conduct? The cost of the procedure will be their only obstacle, not wisdom, for they have done nothing wrong.

Studies have shown that a significant number of women who have had abortions have had more than one. From personal experience, I know this to be the case.

My opinion which it has always been is that people need to have sex responsibly and yes face consequence if there should come to be an unplanned pregnancy.

In most cases a condom could have prevented such a situation. In some cases even a condom could not prevent a pregnancy - and that is a risk every time you choose to have sex.

The action of having sex IS gender neutral the responsibility of carry and birthing a child is not.

Yes, absolutely the woman - a smart woman - would make it her responsibility to go out of her way to prevent pregnancy when in the situation of not wanting a child. You are the one that will carry the child to term and God willing deliver the child. A mans role is only to provide sperm and if the case should be provide parenting.

Should a man be consulted if a woman finds herself pregnant?

Yes, it would be the respectable and decent thing to do as the child is a part of him and would not have had life without him.

Ultimately though it's the woman's body that carries the child to term and without the woman's body there would be no child - there would be only a fertilized egg.

It is the woman's choice as to whether the child will make it to term and see life as it was the woman's choice to have sex with a man in the first place.

I don't buy into the concept that by eliminating abortion we will create a more responsible sexually active person. Why? When we were hit with AIDS did abortion rates drop? By your theory they should - surely death is worse fate than bearing a child that you hadn't planned for, no?

I find multiple abortions – unforgivable. A mistake, a chance or a poorly made decision should happen but once not multiple times. There is no excuse for using abortion as contraception; there are so many available forms of contraception out there that there really is no excuse for not using it. (Even though no one form is 100% full proof)

I understand that men get a bad rap and I understand that many men have been robbed out of their chance of being a father and I realize that the father is as important member of a child’s family. However, it is not the man that will be judged as a single mother, a young mother or a mother of more than one man’s child. When a single mother has an illegitimate child in tow – even now in a modern world people will judge her and look down upon her, while the man could be living his life without any visual presence of his past choices.

What about those who choose to have a child from an unplanned pregnancy and their life is full and happy and it’s something that they would have never thought differently about. These are the most special of children, they made their way unexpectedly and there is little doubt that they don’t spread happiness. However, even though they were unplanned they became wanted and the transformation from unplanned pregnancy to desired child does not always occur. Whether the reason is finance, emotional or physiological it is still an unwanted child and there is nothing worse than a child being punished for having been given life.

 

[velvett]

Yes, I call it death by logic. I suppose your posts could be called "life by emotion".
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I make no apology for being passionate, it is who I am and I will never be inspired by anyone's political standpoint which is what you choose to make this into.


What you fail to realize - is that while you are intelligent and respectable you do tend talk (type) down to people which makes you come across as condescending bastard.

Which is a shame.

 

[The Ranger]

And mine are fun by invention...<wink>

Ranger

 

[velvett]

But you get all squishy feeling when I post on love and relationships.

I'm not sure I know what you mean - please provide examples.


I believe this (abortion) is one of the few topics we don't see eye to eye on which doesn't mean I respect you any less.

 

[velvett]

And mine are fun by invention...<wink>

Ranger

What's fun?

 

[The Ranger]

It's sump'in ya just gotta experience Buttercup...If I told ya, there'd be no fun in that...<evil grin>

Ranger

 

[Tiervexx]

There is no equality between a woman carrying a child for nine months and a man that supplied the sperm. We like to think so or hope so from an emotional standpoint but physically and socially there just is not a common comparison.

Good post

This point is so obvious I am always amazed when people try to argue against it. It is like trying to tell you your wrong for saying the sun is brighter than a candle; there is no comparison.