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Diet To End All Diets, Finally-will Update With Pics Once A Week

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10InchMember said:
Yea apparently with the time this guy has on earth, his words mean more than that of YEARS of science and research.

I am not trying to be an ass bro, because I do agree there is a lot of recycled info out there. BUT, what you are doing is starving yourself most of the time, and its not healthy. You are losing LBM faster than you think.

Open your eyes and your mind bro.

Either way, keep posting weekly updates like you promised. Get your bodyfat tested on a regular basis and be sure to give all the details. We want to know about your progress (or lack thereof)

show me one legitimate fact that shows eating less is unhealthy.

eating less will increase your lifespan. by lowering your metabolic rate. this does not neccessarily that when you lower your metabolic rate you loose muscle. when your eating low calories your body produces more growth hormone than eating more cals. so im getting the benefit of more natural gh during the week but that switches on sundays to benifiting from Insulin growth factor. im not shure if im using the right terminoligy...

it has been proven that a diet consisting of 60 percent carbs 25 percent protien and 15 percent fats is optimal for testosterone protduction. i may be slightly off on the percents but they are close. but this isnt my reasoning behined my diet i just felt like throwing that out there

in clarance bass's book he had numerous medical observations following a diet similar to mine, they did bodyfat tests left and right and he came to find that the lower protien higher carb diet is best for fatloss and not loosing your mind like on regular low carb diets. he tried diets high in protien and ckd-ish. he only benifited from the high protien diets when he tried his second cycle of anavar. it was well documented that a higher protien intake and lower carb intake made him LOOSE MORE MUSCLE than on a lower protien higher carb diet

this man has won best abs and alot other titles in his class. on top of this he was NOT a steroid junkie like 99 percent of pro's he talked about his only TWO cycles of anavar, each cycle he put on like 10 pounds but lost it when he got off it. he maintains a 2-5 percent bodyfat to this day at 60+. he was also put in his 99th percentile of cardio vascular conditioning aswell, so he's definitly healthy.

ill DEFINITLY post an update in a week and a half or two
 
Him1 said:
NcLifter6feet6:10inchmember- your post is just flat out ignorant
i bet if someone was juicing and posting there results everyone would be cool with that lol.

Man, you're a pompous ass, aren't you. You think that you're the only one in the world who has figured out the secret to dieting? What you're doing is called an eating disorder; no shit. And if you think Bill Pearl ate 1300 cal's a day when he was in his bodybuilding prime, you're past dilluded. One of his steaks had your daily macro breakdown in it. You're not a mesomorph,(you asked if it matters, fuck, I don't know, why'd you bring it up?) your metabolism is slow 'cuz you fucked up, and you're promoting a DUMB way of dieting. A bunch of newbs are gonna read this and think starving their bodies and muscles is the way to go. You're flat wrong.


chill kid, are you on crack? am i gonna have to bitch slap you internet style? :p
 
As usual people are taking things to the extreme instead of being reasonable. Yes, it's true that eating less can expand your lifespan but that only goes so far. If eating less was so healthy for you then surely anorexics and bulemics would be the healthiest people on the planet, however since those that go untreated usually end up dying I don't see how this is true. You also have to remember that if you plan on using the excuse of eating less to extend your lifespan then don't expect to have any appreciable muscle mass since undereating and muscle growth don't tend to work well together.

The intent of the study was fairly obvious. Those who eat less in general will live longer than those who gorge on food their entire lives. It was not meant to give people the green flag on fasting. Someone who eats just enough to sustain weight will most likely be healthier than someone who eats above his maintenance level their entire lives. However that doesn't mean that someone who eats 500 calories less than their maintenance their entire lives will be even healthier, let alone eating even less than that.

I don't think short term moderate to severe caloric restriction has any long term health issues, so long as it doesn't turn into an eating disorder. The main issue is how your metabolism and muscle mass will react to this method. This is exactly how yo-yo dieting started. People who underate while dieting would gain all the weight back when their diet halted due to a sluggish metabolism and less muscle mass than when they started. The first time I ever dieted I went too far on calorie reduction. I lost weight very quickly but in the end I realized I sacrificied some unnecessary muscle mass and coming off the diet was a little tough due to the cravings and sluggish metabolism.

To succeed on a low calorie diet I think you need assistance in the anabolic and thyroid department. Anabolics to sustain muscle mass and T3 to keep your metabolism stoked. Without this supplementation I don't think it's possible to achieve the goal safely.

Also remember that our metabolisms don't stop overnight so the first few weeks of a low calorie diet will seem to start out good. However once the body realizes what's going on it will start to fight you rather severely. Muscle catabolism will become more prevelant, leptin levels plummet and your metabolism will start slowing down noticeably. So much that one free day per week wont' be near enough to stoke it to any noticeable measure.

Also I too believe your slow metabolism is more due to long bouts of hardcore dieting without enough break in between to let it recover. You're also hitting the age where your metabolism naturally slows down. In high school I could eat what I wanted in whatever quantity without gaining an ounce. When I hit my early 20's this trait left me and I had to watch what I ate to keep off the fat. Perhaps you're experiencing both phenomenons simultaneously which is causing you to think something is wrong? I never dieted at your age, but if I had dieted and caused some metabolic slowdown at the same time it was naturally slowing then I'd probably assume something was up.

At any rate I'd recommend you only diet for a couple weeks at a time with your current method. Take a week at maintenance calories every third week to keep your metabolism from dropping then return to your diet. As I said one free day per week is NOT enough to keep your metabolism pumping. It takes awhile to slow it down so naturally it will take awhile to speed it back up.
 
Vageta said:
As usual people are taking things to the extreme instead of being reasonable. Yes, it's true that eating less can expand your lifespan but that only goes so far. If eating less was so healthy for you then surely anorexics and bulemics would be the healthiest people on the planet, however since those that go untreated usually end up dying I don't see how this is true. You also have to remember that if you plan on using the excuse of eating less to extend your lifespan then don't expect to have any appreciable muscle mass since undereating and muscle growth don't tend to work well together.

The intent of the study was fairly obvious. Those who eat less in general will live longer than those who gorge on food their entire lives. It was not meant to give people the green flag on fasting. Someone who eats just enough to sustain weight will most likely be healthier than someone who eats above his maintenance level their entire lives. However that doesn't mean that someone who eats 500 calories less than their maintenance their entire lives will be even healthier, let alone eating even less than that.

I don't think short term moderate to severe caloric restriction has any long term health issues, so long as it doesn't turn into an eating disorder. The main issue is how your metabolism and muscle mass will react to this method. This is exactly how yo-yo dieting started. People who underate while dieting would gain all the weight back when their diet halted due to a sluggish metabolism and less muscle mass than when they started. The first time I ever dieted I went too far on calorie reduction. I lost weight very quickly but in the end I realized I sacrificied some unnecessary muscle mass and coming off the diet was a little tough due to the cravings and sluggish metabolism.

To succeed on a low calorie diet I think you need assistance in the anabolic and thyroid department. Anabolics to sustain muscle mass and T3 to keep your metabolism stoked. Without this supplementation I don't think it's possible to achieve the goal safely.

Also remember that our metabolisms don't stop overnight so the first few weeks of a low calorie diet will seem to start out good. However once the body realizes what's going on it will start to fight you rather severely. Muscle catabolism will become more prevelant, leptin levels plummet and your metabolism will start slowing down noticeably. So much that one free day per week wont' be near enough to stoke it to any noticeable measure.

Also I too believe your slow metabolism is more due to long bouts of hardcore dieting without enough break in between to let it recover. You're also hitting the age where your metabolism naturally slows down. In high school I could eat what I wanted in whatever quantity without gaining an ounce. When I hit my early 20's this trait left me and I had to watch what I ate to keep off the fat. Perhaps you're experiencing both phenomenons simultaneously which is causing you to think something is wrong? I never dieted at your age, but if I had dieted and caused some metabolic slowdown at the same time it was naturally slowing then I'd probably assume something was up.

At any rate I'd recommend you only diet for a couple weeks at a time with your current method. Take a week at maintenance calories every third week to keep your metabolism from dropping then return to your diet. As I said one free day per week is NOT enough to keep your metabolism pumping. It takes awhile to slow it down so naturally it will take awhile to speed it back up.


u suggest i use anabolics. fuck that man. maybe thats somethin you would do cause you have no discipline or you dont train hard enough and impatient.

dont even compare me to an anorexic. im 6feet6 235 17 and 3/4 inch bis. hardly anorexic. ofcourse anorexics arent healthy because they get no vitamins minerals or nutrients. i get everything if not more then what you people get

i take
vitaminc
vit e
zinc
chromium picolinate
carnitine
b complex
selenium
plenty of vitamins from all the veggies i eat and milk

i do refeeds didnt you see that....

i have no need to explain myself. this thread is a waste of time trying to help peeps that are struggling for what works. alot of people tried ckd's and ketos and still cant get cut. this is just an alternative

by your thinking a ckd and keto is healthier than my diet. well your brain is obviously clogged with saturated fats and pepperoni kid.
 
nclifter6feet6 said:



chill kid, are you on crack? am i gonna have to bitch slap you internet style? :p

Thats classic; I make several points(valid ones) about how you're going about things the wrong way, and all you can say is that? At least you called all the other 10,000 members ignorant(in several posts) for not following your stupid diet.

NcLifter6feet6:by your thinking a ckd and keto is healthier than my diet. well your brain is obviously clogged with saturated fats and pepperoni kid.

and: of course you wouldnt suggest my diet. because its not "mainstream". most people just regurgitate what they hear from biased mags and biased studies and think is best, which is basically a bunch of bs in my opinion.

10inchmember- your post is just flat out ignorant

I'M PUTTING THIS ONE ON HERE CUZ I LAUGHED SO HARD AT THIS
your possibly right i may not be a mesomorph, what does it matter anyways?

LOL
 
nclifter6feet6, I've been following the thread and am glad you've seen some progress with your diet. I've read a lot of Clarence Bass's material, and have tried his diet recommendations in the past. I am absolutely NOT saying they don't work, I believe they can work tremendously for some people, you perhaps being one of them. However, everyone is different genetically and will respond differently to different diets. You keep slamming CKD type diets - they may not work for you or for others you've spoken to - however, they do work TREMENDOUSLY for a lot of people.

I have tried so many different macronutrient profile diets at all the calorie ranges, very low, low, maintenance, above maintenance, and bulking-style. The best diet by far for ME is the high protein/high fat with weekend carb up diet. Specifically, I use the Anabolic Diet by Mauro DiPasquale and have had tremendous gains. I am 6'2", and increased by bodyweight from 192 to 216 with very minimal fat gain and the best strength increases I've ever seen. Since that bulking phase, I continued with the diet in a slightly below maintenance calorie phase, and dropped 10 pounds of fat with very minimal fat loss - and what suprised me the most, was that as I was dropping bodyweight, my strength level was still increasing.

Basically, if your diet works for you, great! By all means, you understand your body better than anyone on this board. However, don't think that your diet will work best for everyone. I know this for a fact as I have used a diet very similar to what you are describing in the past and have had terrible results with it. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
killroy70 said:
nclifter6feet6, I've been following the thread and am glad you've seen some progress with your diet. I've read a lot of Clarence Bass's material, and have tried his diet recommendations in the past. I am absolutely NOT saying they don't work, I believe they can work tremendously for some people, you perhaps being one of them. However, everyone is different genetically and will respond differently to different diets. You keep slamming CKD type diets - they may not work for you or for others you've spoken to - however, they do work TREMENDOUSLY for a lot of people.

I have tried so many different macronutrient profile diets at all the calorie ranges, very low, low, maintenance, above maintenance, and bulking-style. The best diet by far for ME is the high protein/high fat with weekend carb up diet. Specifically, I use the Anabolic Diet by Mauro DiPasquale and have had tremendous gains. I am 6'2", and increased by bodyweight from 192 to 216 with very minimal fat gain and the best strength increases I've ever seen. Since that bulking phase, I continued with the diet in a slightly below maintenance calorie phase, and dropped 10 pounds of fat with very minimal fat loss - and what suprised me the most, was that as I was dropping bodyweight, my strength level was still increasing.

Basically, if your diet works for you, great! By all means, you understand your body better than anyone on this board. However, don't think that your diet will work best for everyone. I know this for a fact as I have used a diet very similar to what you are describing in the past and have had terrible results with it. Just my 2 cents worth.

i appreciate your level headed response which is rare here. instead of attacking me

yes like i said this diet is just an alternative, and OBVIOUSLY a very UNPOPULAR one

its worked well for clarance bass

and working excellent for me


how bout i throw out a challenge to anyone here natural to see who can get the most ripped?

if your ckds work so well prove the shit i think this would help us all learn
 
i thought you said you were done posting here because we're all brain washed with mainstream bs.

what's the deal? leave already. your diet is crap, save us the drama, hommeeezzz!

your diet is a joke and your a skinny guy who thinks 235 at 6'6" is big. your wrong and your diet is too, boyzzz!

post some pics standing side ways so we can observe how thick you are. looks like a stiff breeze will knock you down.

please don't bitch slap me internet style. skinny geek.
 
u suggest i use anabolics. fuck that man. maybe thats somethin you would do cause you have no discipline or you dont train hard enough and impatient.

I suggest reading through the responses a bit more thouroughly as you obviously don't interpret half of what is being written. I never advocated you use anabolics, I simply said that the only way to effectively follow a diet as strict as yours is with anabolic assistance. The point is that since you're staying natural you shouldn't attempt a diet as hardcore as this as there will be reprocussions if you stay on it for an extended period of time. If you believe there won't be then you are the most naive poster in this entire thread.

by your thinking a ckd and keto is healthier than my diet. well your brain is obviously clogged with saturated fats and pepperoni kid

Please quote me where I even mentioned this type of diet in my thread. I don't advocate these types of diets, in fact I advocate against them. I don't think they're essential for fat loss, just as I don't think you're extreme diet is either.

By the way I have quite a few years on you "kid". There is no doubt that age doesn't necessarily determine wisdom or intelligence, but you have to see how rediculous it looks for a 22 year old guy to act as if he's discovered the secret to dieting that has eluded scientists for years.

I have no doubt that your diet "works" in the fact that it causes weight loss and I don't think it is necessarily "unhealthy" as to cause you to have health problems. However as I said before that attempting such an extreme caloric restriction without anabolic and thyroid aid will cause problems in the long run. With as much experimentation and research as you have supposedly done, surely something this academic can be realized by you.

I've been studying and experimenting with diets for over 10 years now, and while I'm not claiming to be an expert I can say that there are certain aspects of dieting that require nothing more than common sense. It doesn't take a genius to realize that you can go too far in a diet and if you restrict your calories too much then your body will do everything in it's power to fight back. The use of drugs and ancillary agents can combat this, but going at it naturally the body will win in time.

i do refeeds didnt you see that....

Yes and if you are referring to your sunday meals then I responded to them as well... or didn't you see that? One hypercaloric day per week is NOT enough to combat the damage to your metabolism that 6 days of severe hypocaloric dieting can cause. To bring leptin levels back to a decent level requires a certain amount of time above maintenance calories and again one day is not enough.

dont even compare me to an anorexic. im 6feet6 235 17 and 3/4 inch bis. hardly anorexic.

I never compared you to one so I'm not quite sure how you contrived that... I was making an extreme example as is common on threads like this. You keep referring to the fact that longer lifespans are achieved by reduced caloric intake. I was simply stating that this fact may be true, but it doesn't mean that the benefit scales at the same rate as your caloric decrease. Just because x amount of decrease in calories extends your life would mean that any more restriction would increase that effect. Besides what would life be worth living if you had to constantly be hungry by living on a hugely restrictive diet that may only extend your life by some insignificant factor?

I think you take the criticism far too personally. When you post up these diets you are looking for responses and when you get one you don't agree with you instantly put on your flame retardant suit. Most of us are trying to be helpful and aren't looking to knock you down. I've been reading these boards for 3 years now and I've seen at least a dozen or more of your "next best thing" diets, in fact during the middle of this thread you've already changed what you initially sought out to do. If you know so much about dieting then why are you constantly changing things around? I too experimented a lot in my time, I've tried just about every type of legitimate diet out there(no cabbage soup crap) but I never claimed at any time that any specific diet was the answer.

Anyone who has been doing this as long as me, or longer, can give you the basic lowdown on dieting. All diets that promote calorie restiction and promote exercise will work, hands down. I've lost weight on every type of diet I've ever tried, the difference is in how I personally handled the diet. The sad fact is that 99% of the population could lose all the weight they ever wanted to following something as mundain as the body for life program, yet they seem to think they have to go to extreme measures to get results.

Until you get below 10% bodyfat I don't think any extreme measure ever needs to be taken unless you have a legitimate thyroid or other health problem. If you can't get to 10-12% bodyfat following a simple diet/exercise regimen then you have absolutely no business doing any kind of hardcore diet as you've already proven that you're doing something wrong.

If you wish to continue your diet then by all means please do. The problem is you are bashing people for promoting other diets that you think are rediculous, yet you claim your diet is better while it is just as extreme in nature. If a new dieter comes on this site and attempts your diet then this board has failed it's purpose. Under no circumstances should any person attempt an extreme hardcore diet until they understand the basics and give a regular diet a try. The problem is when they read these threads and the incredible results they are supposed to promise then it's hard for them not to want to try it.

Just for the record I agree with you on some points, just not to the extreme nature as you. I believe that the super high protein intake promoted here is not needed. I believe that CKDs are not the answer and that a moderate and healthy carb intake is better than restricting them altogether. As I said though just because I believe these to be true I am not shooting to the other end of the spectrum, I promote a more moderate approach. Most of us should strive to diet in the same manner as we plan to eat the rest of our lives, just that we reduce the caloric intake while dieting and when we've reach our goal we increase calories to maintenance level while still consuming the same types of foods. Constantly gaining and losing weight year round by switching between extreme dieting and binging on crap foods is far more of a health risk than eating a healthy diet year round and controlling weight by calorie consumption.
 
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