u suggest i use anabolics. fuck that man. maybe thats somethin you would do cause you have no discipline or you dont train hard enough and impatient.
I suggest reading through the responses a bit more thouroughly as you obviously don't interpret half of what is being written. I never advocated you use anabolics, I simply said that the only way to effectively follow a diet as strict as yours is with anabolic assistance. The point is that since you're staying natural you shouldn't attempt a diet as hardcore as this as there will be reprocussions if you stay on it for an extended period of time. If you believe there won't be then you are the most naive poster in this entire thread.
by your thinking a ckd and keto is healthier than my diet. well your brain is obviously clogged with saturated fats and pepperoni kid
Please quote me where I even mentioned this type of diet in my thread. I don't advocate these types of diets, in fact I advocate against them. I don't think they're essential for fat loss, just as I don't think you're extreme diet is either.
By the way I have quite a few years on you "kid". There is no doubt that age doesn't necessarily determine wisdom or intelligence, but you have to see how rediculous it looks for a 22 year old guy to act as if he's discovered the secret to dieting that has eluded scientists for years.
I have no doubt that your diet "works" in the fact that it causes weight loss and I don't think it is necessarily "unhealthy" as to cause you to have health problems. However as I said before that attempting such an extreme caloric restriction without anabolic and thyroid aid will cause problems in the long run. With as much experimentation and research as you have supposedly done, surely something this academic can be realized by you.
I've been studying and experimenting with diets for over 10 years now, and while I'm not claiming to be an expert I can say that there are certain aspects of dieting that require nothing more than common sense. It doesn't take a genius to realize that you can go too far in a diet and if you restrict your calories too much then your body will do everything in it's power to fight back. The use of drugs and ancillary agents can combat this, but going at it naturally the body will win in time.
i do refeeds didnt you see that....
Yes and if you are referring to your sunday meals then I responded to them as well... or didn't you see that? One hypercaloric day per week is NOT enough to combat the damage to your metabolism that 6 days of severe hypocaloric dieting can cause. To bring leptin levels back to a decent level requires a certain amount of time above maintenance calories and again one day is not enough.
dont even compare me to an anorexic. im 6feet6 235 17 and 3/4 inch bis. hardly anorexic.
I never compared you to one so I'm not quite sure how you contrived that... I was making an extreme example as is common on threads like this. You keep referring to the fact that longer lifespans are achieved by reduced caloric intake. I was simply stating that this fact may be true, but it doesn't mean that the benefit scales at the same rate as your caloric decrease. Just because x amount of decrease in calories extends your life would mean that any more restriction would increase that effect. Besides what would life be worth living if you had to constantly be hungry by living on a hugely restrictive diet that may only extend your life by some insignificant factor?
I think you take the criticism far too personally. When you post up these diets you are looking for responses and when you get one you don't agree with you instantly put on your flame retardant suit. Most of us are trying to be helpful and aren't looking to knock you down. I've been reading these boards for 3 years now and I've seen at least a dozen or more of your "next best thing" diets, in fact during the middle of this thread you've already changed what you initially sought out to do. If you know so much about dieting then why are you constantly changing things around? I too experimented a lot in my time, I've tried just about every type of legitimate diet out there(no cabbage soup crap) but I never claimed at any time that any specific diet was the answer.
Anyone who has been doing this as long as me, or longer, can give you the basic lowdown on dieting. All diets that promote calorie restiction and promote exercise will work, hands down. I've lost weight on every type of diet I've ever tried, the difference is in how I personally handled the diet. The sad fact is that 99% of the population could lose all the weight they ever wanted to following something as mundain as the body for life program, yet they seem to think they have to go to extreme measures to get results.
Until you get below 10% bodyfat I don't think any extreme measure ever needs to be taken unless you have a legitimate thyroid or other health problem. If you can't get to 10-12% bodyfat following a simple diet/exercise regimen then you have absolutely no business doing any kind of hardcore diet as you've already proven that you're doing something wrong.
If you wish to continue your diet then by all means please do. The problem is you are bashing people for promoting other diets that you think are rediculous, yet you claim your diet is better while it is just as extreme in nature. If a new dieter comes on this site and attempts your diet then this board has failed it's purpose. Under no circumstances should any person attempt an extreme hardcore diet until they understand the basics and give a regular diet a try. The problem is when they read these threads and the incredible results they are supposed to promise then it's hard for them not to want to try it.
Just for the record I agree with you on some points, just not to the extreme nature as you. I believe that the super high protein intake promoted here is not needed. I believe that CKDs are not the answer and that a moderate and healthy carb intake is better than restricting them altogether. As I said though just because I believe these to be true I am not shooting to the other end of the spectrum, I promote a more moderate approach. Most of us should strive to diet in the same manner as we plan to eat the rest of our lives, just that we reduce the caloric intake while dieting and when we've reach our goal we increase calories to maintenance level while still consuming the same types of foods. Constantly gaining and losing weight year round by switching between extreme dieting and binging on crap foods is far more of a health risk than eating a healthy diet year round and controlling weight by calorie consumption.
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