Kimbo fight.. bullshit

[nimbus]

You can't build a fight card out of 45 second dives. People wont be dishing hundreds for seats or 50 bucks for PPV events that consistently last 15 minutes. What is more likely to happen is one fighter is going to get carried by the other fighter for a longer stretch.

MMA is subject to regulatory bodies, usually the athletic or boxing and wrestling commissions in the state in which they are held. Are you saying that you need a regulatory body in place to gamble or need one not to be in place? Do you mean a regulatory body specific to the sport or a regulatory body specific to gambling in that sport? I don't really understand what you are saying and I am unfamiliar with the mechanics of big money gambling and would love to learn more.

Who's acting like sports fixing doesn't happen in MMA? Which ones have you seen specifically that you think are fixed and why? I called the Kimbo v. Cantrell fight a probable dive. I've seen several Pancrase fights I thought were works. Questionable judging happens occasionally.

Aren't you the guy that posted something like, "There are three camps 1) Those who think they're staged 2) Those who want to think every match on teevee is legit 3) Those who work in the industry and know everything."

Those in #3 don't post on the web, plus make their paychecks from said event ... so do the math."

Your '3 camp' theory is a cynical crock of bullshit. Your own remark is proof of that as you are claiming to be in the know and posting on the internet which is a blatant contradiction. Where are you drawing your paycheck from? What puts you in the know? Aren't you just a fan, hence not in the know?

Unless I'm missing something relevant, misinterpreting you, or taking your remarks out of context, I don't think you know what you are talking about. People post complaints about dives on this very board and I think have cried, "rigged" on this board about this specific fight, yet don't claim all fights are rigged. Most of the fans I'm friends with and communicate with discuss the topic of dives and fixes with some frequency and the topic is never polarized into camps like you claim.

You make a lot of vague accusations, yet present nothing to back them up. Was this fight rigged? How do you know or why do you think that? Which one of your '3 camps' are you from? Go out on a limb and post a meaningful, thoughtful opinion. Leave the safety and comfort of your vague accusations and enlighten the naive if you have worthwhile information to contribute.

Hi, this must be the first razorguns post you've read

 

[Razorguns]

You can't build a fight card out of 45 second dives. People wont be dishing hundreds for seats or 50 bucks for PPV events that consistently last 15 minutes. What is more likely to happen is one fighter is going to get carried by the other fighter for a longer stretch.

MMA is subject to regulatory bodies, usually the athletic or boxing and wrestling commissions in the state in which they are held. Are you saying that you need a regulatory body in place to gamble or need one not to be in place? Do you mean a regulatory body specific to the sport or a regulatory body specific to gambling in that sport? I don't really understand what you are saying and I am unfamiliar with the mechanics of big money gambling and would love to learn more.

Who's acting like sports fixing doesn't happen in MMA? Which ones have you seen specifically that you think are fixed and why? I called the Kimbo v. Cantrell fight a probable dive. I've seen several Pancrase fights I thought were works. Questionable judging happens occasionally.

Aren't you the guy that posted something like, "There are three camps 1) Those who think they're staged 2) Those who want to think every match on teevee is legit 3) Those who work in the industry and know everything."

Those in #3 don't post on the web, plus make their paychecks from said event ... so do the math."

Your '3 camp' theory is a cynical crock of bullshit. Your own remark is proof of that as you are claiming to be in the know and posting on the internet which is a blatant contradiction. Where are you drawing your paycheck from? What puts you in the know? Aren't you just a fan, hence not in the know?

Unless I'm missing something relevant, misinterpreting you, or taking your remarks out of context, I don't think you know what you are talking about. People post complaints about dives on this very board and I think have cried, "rigged" on this board about this specific fight, yet don't claim all fights are rigged. Most of the fans I'm friends with and communicate with discuss the topic of dives and fixes with some frequency and the topic is never polarized into camps like you claim.

You make a lot of vague accusations, yet present nothing to back them up. Was this fight rigged? How do you know or why do you think that? Which one of your '3 camps' are you from? Go out on a limb and post a meaningful, thoughtful opinion. Leave the safety and comfort of your vague accusations and enlighten the naive if you have worthwhile information to contribute.

45 seconds, 2 minutes, the odd 5 minute fight. All the same as long as the "star" wins.

What regulatory body sanctions the MMA? Link?

This is how gambling woudl work? Ready? I bid $500k on Fighter loses. Fighter admits in web interview it was staged. I get pissed. I sue UFC and make big headlines. As a casino or fight league, you want that publicity?

Your #3 rebuttal is all pure opinionated junk. I've managed boxers, fighters and wrestlers here in la for a friend who was in the hospital. I learned that stuff out the hard way --> "marketability". It has 0% to do with how "good" you are. Doesn't work like that kid. What's the root of everything? Hint: money. (That's like saying every singer on TV was hired because of their singing talent)

So try again kid!

r

 

[the_alcatraz]

Now, now...let's keep it civil gentlemen.

 

[bigbox]

they totally staged that dude bleeding out of his ear.

He wasn't bleeding out of the ear, his cauliflowered ear got popped and busted open. All of the fluids built up inside was coming out.

 

[Captain FT]

He wasn't bleeding out of the ear, his cauliflowered ear got popped and busted open. All of the fluids built up inside was coming out.

this post was over a month old, lol

 

[Razorguns]

These fights are never fixed.

r

 

[bigbox]

this post was over a month old, lol

lol oops

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

45 seconds, 2 minutes, the odd 5 minute fight. All the same as long as the "star" wins.

What regulatory body sanctions the MMA? Link?

This is how gambling woudl work? Ready? I bid $500k on Fighter loses. Fighter admits in web interview it was staged. I get pissed. I sue UFC and make big headlines. As a casino or fight league, you want that publicity?

Your #3 rebuttal is all pure opinionated junk. I've managed boxers, fighters and wrestlers here in la for a friend who was in the hospital. I learned that stuff out the hard way --> "marketability". It has 0% to do with how "good" you are. Doesn't work like that kid. What's the root of everything? Hint: money. (That's like saying every singer on TV was hired because of their singing talent)

So try again kid!

r

I don't understand your first point. Presently MMA does have stars that lose. GSP lost to Matt Serra, Chuck Liddell lost to Keith Jardine. Both losers were franchise building fighters. Both fighters lost to less popular contenders. The star doesn't always win.

As stated in my original post, states that host the MMA events are likely subject to that state's boxing and athletic commission. For example MMA events in Nevada are sanctioned and regulated by the Nevada State Athletic Commission: http://boxing.nv.gov. In California they are regulated by the California State Athletic Commission: http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac. In New Jersey it is regulated by the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board: www.state.nj.us/lps/docs/martial.html.

Your explanation of gambling doesn't make sense to me. Gambling already exists for big MMA events such as the UFC. There are online bookies for events. I don't know the specifics behind sanctioned gambling on events such as the UFC, the Superbowl, or other sporting events. Kalib Starnes admitted that he intentionally lost to Nate Quarry recently. The backlash you predict hasn't happened. Neither casinos nor the UFC were sued. Only Kalib Starnes received bad publicity.

I'm not really sure what the 'opinionated junk' in my 'rebuttal #3' is. I quoted what you stated in an earlier post and asked for clarification. You stated that those in the know do not post on the web. That is what you stated, not me. You made statements as if you are in the know, yet post it on the web which contradicts what you stated. So now you've clarified how you are 'in the know'. You relief managed boxers,wrestlers, and fighters in LA for your friend in the hospital. It's odd that you did not know that the California State Athletic Commission regulates MMA fights if you managed MMA fighters.

You're attacking me with straw man arguments. I completely understand that a more marketable fighter makes more than a less marketable fighter. Tank Abbott and Ken Shamrock for example have receive payouts far beyond what much better and productive fighters.