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Kimbo fight.. bullshit
- Thread starter SpyWizard
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Well first off, with those weak ass punches that Lurch was throwing, no defense was necessary. However a welterweight UFC fighter would have pulverized that face beyond recognition.
and wtf is up with that christmas tree kimbo got shaved with his chest hair?
and that fucking goof he fought? you see him walk to the ring with both feet introverted. And that fucking ear? wtf?????
swear to god that was sugarlicious.
and wtf is up with that christmas tree kimbo got shaved with his chest hair?
and that fucking goof he fought? you see him walk to the ring with both feet introverted. And that fucking ear? wtf?????
swear to god that was sugarlicious.
canadianhitman
Well-known member
I disagree with those who say the fight was stopped too early; the guy was out on his feet...glazed over and wild looking eyes, carrying his hands down by his pec line....he was going to get hurt. If MMA is going to gain mainstream respect, they need to have stoppages in those situations; while hardcore fans might want to see that one extra punch that puts the guy out cold, it does MMA no favors with regulating bodies and potential new fans who haven't watched MMA before.
please sm1 explain to me wtf happened?
Kimbo won? lost?
Links?
Kimbo won? lost?
Links?
DannoMight
New member
the guy was making mike tyson punch out faces when he was getting blasted towards the end. and in the 2nd round when kimbo did the uppercut hook combo. I almost the the dude's ear nugget got popped.
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Walter Szczerbiak
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did they say why Thomson had cauliflower ear to begin with?
fistfullofsteel
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Kimbo Slices won. 
Those guys were really trying to hurt each other. That wasn't nice. 
Those guys were really trying to hurt each other. That wasn't nice.
fistfullofsteel said:Kimbo Slices won.
do you have a link bro? I missed the fight.
Razorguns
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SpyWizard said:
No, brilliant. Think about it. It wets peoples appetites and encourages a rematch. Plus creates threads on the internet.
Matches like this are stellar marketing. It works damn well. In the boxing world it's also known as "'Revenue through rematches". Refs are easy targets and always simple to "blame".
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Razorguns said:No, brilliant. Think about it. It wets peoples appetites and encourages a rematch. Plus creates threads on the internet.
Matches like this are stellar marketing. It works damn well. In the boxing world it's also known as "'Revenue through rematches". Refs are easy targets and always simple to "blame".
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So you think it was staged?
fistfullofsteel
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the_alcatraz said:
nope, I watched it on CBS. the white dudes ear was bleeding really bad. he had a real bad case of Cauliflower ear too.
Razorguns
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the_alcatraz said:
There are three camps 1) Those who think they're staged 2) Those who want to think every match on teevee is legit 3) Those who work in the industry and know everything.
Those in #3 don't post on the web, plus make their paychecks from said event ... so do the math.
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DannoMight
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they totally staged that dude bleeding out of his ear.
fistfullofsteel
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Peter_North said:
WWE style. Instead of Hulkamania, it's Kimbo Slices mania. I like calling him Kimbo Slices.
redsamurai
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canadianhitman said:
James Thompson ALWAYS looks lost.......even when he's not fighting.......it's just his natural look.
redsamurai
Banned
And oh yeah...........Kevin Furgeson is going to make a nice little carreer for himself and have some entertaining matches. But I hope we've laid to rest any aspirations by some of us who think he has the potential to be UFC heavyweight champ. The dude looked like he was going into cardiac arrest at the end of the fight..........seriously, it would not surprise me if tommorrow they said he had to go the hospital to have his heart checked out.
Look, the guy could have been something if he got picked up when he was in his early 20's. It takes years to develop the kind of stamina, especially of a man his size.........to go through round after round with really good fighters. James Thompson would get knocked silly by an "in his prime" Tank Abott..........he's basically a bum. And if any of you have that fight on tivo........pause the video just as Thompson eats the uppercut and than the hook at the end. Pause it just as he get's hit...........I won't tell you what you see, you'll just have to see it for yourself.........but you will fall out of your chair in utter hysterics. Just terrible. The chick fight and Smith/Lawler made the event worth watching. Elite may have some legs if they continue to bring in good fighters and put on fights like those.
Look, the guy could have been something if he got picked up when he was in his early 20's. It takes years to develop the kind of stamina, especially of a man his size.........to go through round after round with really good fighters. James Thompson would get knocked silly by an "in his prime" Tank Abott..........he's basically a bum. And if any of you have that fight on tivo........pause the video just as Thompson eats the uppercut and than the hook at the end. Pause it just as he get's hit...........I won't tell you what you see, you'll just have to see it for yourself.........but you will fall out of your chair in utter hysterics. Just terrible. The chick fight and Smith/Lawler made the event worth watching. Elite may have some legs if they continue to bring in good fighters and put on fights like those.
Fuck! How the hell did I miss the fight....damn!
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SaladFork
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the_alcatraz said:
I DVR'ed it... It will be on uboob in a few hours.
I thought it was a good stop also. That dude's ear was funked up... It was actually nasty to look at, flopping around in slo mo shots. Why not just cut your ears off like they do on pitbulls? Kimbo is a scumbag pos, his conditioning almost cost him that fight along with his weak ground skills.
AAP said:
Thompson developed a serious case of cauliflower ear most likely from grappling a lot without head gear. Neither fighter was the pinnacle of skill. If you have a guy trapped sideways with his arm pinned under your leg, that is one of the most fatal positions in MMA. If you cannot finish an exhausted guy pinned to the floor unable to raise his hands to defend blows to the face and head there is something seriously wrong with your skills. It's like shooting at fish in a barrel and not managing to even kill one.
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
For real!
then again Kimbo was not exactly the illustration of grace and power. They talk about his knock out power but he caught that dude several times dead in the face and on the chin and never even knocked him down. And this was AFTER the announcers from CBS made a statement at the beginning of the fight about Thompson having a weak jaw.
AAP said:
Kimbo will be tough to build a federation around. He was getting beat by James Thompson, a C grade fighter at best. It will be difficult to protect Kimbo against an onslaught of B grade fighters that make up Elite XC's roster. They have some excellent fighters in EliteXC: Nick Diaz, Jake Shields, Eddie Alvarez, and Murillo Rua come to mind. Nick Diaz and Murillo Rua are action fighters incapable of making boring matches. My personal thought is that they should focus on athletes like that if they want to try to mainstream MMA further, yet maintain a hardcore fan base.
yea they stopped all the fights to quick .. perhaps because it was on cbs .. fearing gore .. was disappointed to say the least .. girl fight and lawyer fight were great.. but they stoped lawyer fight cause guy got poked in the eye? wtf what a joke
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Beachboy6294
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That fighting league isn't going to make it from what I hear especially if Kimbo is all they really got. Kimbo didn't impress me at all and if he gets put on his back again he was done. It was stopped to early!
Beachboy6294
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I would have a complex trying to pick up chicks with ears like that
redsamurai
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
but who do they have in the heavyweight division other than that other black dude who looks to have exactly the same skill set as kimbo??
redsamurai
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Beachboy6294 said:
digimon7068
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AAP said:
those didn't even look real. . .how about the elbows?? i only saw the "highlights" if you wanna call it that. . .i was watching my pens get schooled by the defensive-minded, fore-checking, mistake-free hockey playing red wings. . .they remind me of the devils from the mid-to-late 90's. . .tenacious, disciplined, never hurried or worried. . .
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big_bad_buff
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someone have a link to the vid?
I don't think UFC took Kimbo on the offer. At least not on his terms. He knew coming in that he would be vastly overshadowed skill wise by the other fighters and therefore he went into a smaller league with less skilled opponents for the experience factor while he improves.
But what about Matt Serras little brother quitting like a punk ass bitch and just laying back down.
But what about Matt Serras little brother quitting like a punk ass bitch and just laying back down.
superdave said:
I understand what EliteXC wants to do with Kimbo, but times have changed and you cannot create another Tank Abbott. The present skill level of even the B grade fighters is so incredible that a wild swinging, hard hitting guy wont be able to take many fighters out. The tough guy, street brawler image only last so long when said tough guy, street brawler can't even beat a hand picked punching bag with mediocre skills. In his heyday Tank could pose a threat to most top fighters due to their lower skill level and the dynamite in his fists. A Tank today can't make it out of the first minute with a fringe contender.
Isn't Elite going broke?
redsamurai said:
Who has Vitor Belfort, Alistair Overeem, and Paul Buentello? Is Andre Arlovsky a free agent? Buentello v. Kimbo would be a good match for the fans who like rugged bangers and great for me when I need a bathroom break. I bet Arlovsky v. Overeem would be an excellent fight if they could put it together. Big name camps must have guys looking to get experience that could be worth a gamble. They have Antonio Silva and Ricco Rodrigues on the heavyweight roster already. Antonio Silva is very solid. If Ricco can be inspired to get into shape, he is superstar potential.
Beachboy6294
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Ricco Rodrigues was so out of shape when he was on that reality rehab show hopefully he has his shit together again.
Razorguns said:
You can't build a fight card out of 45 second dives. People wont be dishing hundreds for seats or 50 bucks for PPV events that consistently last 15 minutes. What is more likely to happen is one fighter is going to get carried by the other fighter for a longer stretch.
MMA is subject to regulatory bodies, usually the athletic or boxing and wrestling commissions in the state in which they are held. Are you saying that you need a regulatory body in place to gamble or need one not to be in place? Do you mean a regulatory body specific to the sport or a regulatory body specific to gambling in that sport? I don't really understand what you are saying and I am unfamiliar with the mechanics of big money gambling and would love to learn more.
Who's acting like sports fixing doesn't happen in MMA? Which ones have you seen specifically that you think are fixed and why? I called the Kimbo v. Cantrell fight a probable dive. I've seen several Pancrase fights I thought were works. Questionable judging happens occasionally.
Aren't you the guy that posted something like, "There are three camps 1) Those who think they're staged 2) Those who want to think every match on teevee is legit 3) Those who work in the industry and know everything."
Those in #3 don't post on the web, plus make their paychecks from said event ... so do the math."
Your '3 camp' theory is a cynical crock of bullshit. Your own remark is proof of that as you are claiming to be in the know and posting on the internet which is a blatant contradiction. Where are you drawing your paycheck from? What puts you in the know? Aren't you just a fan, hence not in the know?
Unless I'm missing something relevant, misinterpreting you, or taking your remarks out of context, I don't think you know what you are talking about. People post complaints about dives on this very board and I think have cried, "rigged" on this board about this specific fight, yet don't claim all fights are rigged. Most of the fans I'm friends with and communicate with discuss the topic of dives and fixes with some frequency and the topic is never polarized into camps like you claim.
You make a lot of vague accusations, yet present nothing to back them up. Was this fight rigged? How do you know or why do you think that? Which one of your '3 camps' are you from? Go out on a limb and post a meaningful, thoughtful opinion. Leave the safety and comfort of your vague accusations and enlighten the naive if you have worthwhile information to contribute.
Razorguns
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
45 seconds, 2 minutes, the odd 5 minute fight. All the same as long as the "star" wins.
What regulatory body sanctions the MMA? Link?
This is how gambling woudl work? Ready? I bid $500k on Fighter loses. Fighter admits in web interview it was staged. I get pissed. I sue UFC and make big headlines. As a casino or fight league, you want that publicity?
Your #3 rebuttal is all pure opinionated junk. I've managed boxers, fighters and wrestlers here in la for a friend who was in the hospital. I learned that stuff out the hard way --> "marketability". It has 0% to do with how "good" you are. Doesn't work like that kid. What's the root of everything? Hint: money. (That's like saying every singer on TV was hired because of their singing talent)
So try again kid!
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Now, now...let's keep it civil gentlemen.
boxhdn said:
this post was over a month old, lol
Razorguns said:45 seconds, 2 minutes, the odd 5 minute fight. All the same as long as the "star" wins.
What regulatory body sanctions the MMA? Link?
This is how gambling woudl work? Ready? I bid $500k on Fighter loses. Fighter admits in web interview it was staged. I get pissed. I sue UFC and make big headlines. As a casino or fight league, you want that publicity?
Your #3 rebuttal is all pure opinionated junk. I've managed boxers, fighters and wrestlers here in la for a friend who was in the hospital. I learned that stuff out the hard way --> "marketability". It has 0% to do with how "good" you are. Doesn't work like that kid. What's the root of everything? Hint: money. (That's like saying every singer on TV was hired because of their singing talent)
So try again kid!
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I don't understand your first point. Presently MMA does have stars that lose. GSP lost to Matt Serra, Chuck Liddell lost to Keith Jardine. Both losers were franchise building fighters. Both fighters lost to less popular contenders. The star doesn't always win.
As stated in my original post, states that host the MMA events are likely subject to that state's boxing and athletic commission. For example MMA events in Nevada are sanctioned and regulated by the Nevada State Athletic Commission: http://boxing.nv.gov. In California they are regulated by the California State Athletic Commission: http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac. In New Jersey it is regulated by the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board: www.state.nj.us/lps/docs/martial.html.
Your explanation of gambling doesn't make sense to me. Gambling already exists for big MMA events such as the UFC. There are online bookies for events. I don't know the specifics behind sanctioned gambling on events such as the UFC, the Superbowl, or other sporting events. Kalib Starnes admitted that he intentionally lost to Nate Quarry recently. The backlash you predict hasn't happened. Neither casinos nor the UFC were sued. Only Kalib Starnes received bad publicity.
I'm not really sure what the 'opinionated junk' in my 'rebuttal #3' is. I quoted what you stated in an earlier post and asked for clarification. You stated that those in the know do not post on the web. That is what you stated, not me. You made statements as if you are in the know, yet post it on the web which contradicts what you stated. So now you've clarified how you are 'in the know'. You relief managed boxers,wrestlers, and fighters in LA for your friend in the hospital. It's odd that you did not know that the California State Athletic Commission regulates MMA fights if you managed MMA fighters.
You're attacking me with straw man arguments. I completely understand that a more marketable fighter makes more than a less marketable fighter. Tank Abbott and Ken Shamrock for example have receive payouts far beyond what much better and productive fighters.
