Despite almost being beaten to death, Woman charged with murder for defending herself

[Werd]

Just a question: If the woman had subsequently died as a result of her injuries then would her shooting her assailant prior to her demise have been justified?

I know this is a very big "if" however due to the nature of her injuries I don't think it is too much of a stretch. When a man is wailing on another human being's head as was the case in this situation (skull fracture and fracture to one's eye socket) somehow I dont think the one that is perpetrating the injuries is thinking, "I just want to render this person incapabe of stopping me from whatever it is that I am doing FOR NOW. I don't MEAN to beat them so badly that I frankly I DONT CARE whether they live or die, or even what the quality of that person's life is IF they should happen to recover from my assault."

It isn't like the guy broke her legs.

I can't believe that this guard fought so hard just to protect someone else's money.

 

[IHateAmerica]

I'd like to see Poink shoot someone in self-defense in Texas and refuse to talk the police afterwards.
Cop: Would you like to give a statement? Was it self-defence?
Poink: I aint saying shit.
Cop: okidoki then, everything looks a-ok here, you're free to go.

 

[casualbb]

That is some cold-blooded shit there

I think there are two possibilities here...

1. She was shooting from a ways away and was just trying to stop him but happened to hit the head
or 2. She walked up and capped him in place

Obviously the first one is okay and the second one isn't. the definition of self-defense means you're being attacked. It's like tracking down a guy who had assaulted you and killing him. Sure you can say you'd do it but it's still not right.

 

[Werd]

And for those that doubt her statement about not being able to remember specific details, short term (as well as long term) memory loss is an extremely likely side effect of traumatic head injury.

I never had any skull fractures but have been beaten a few times. There are some things that I remember like they happened yesterday (even though it happened long ago) but I have trouble remembering where I left my keys or what I had for breakfast, have to read and reread passages as I often forget what I just finished reading.

 

[IHateAmerica]

And for those that doubt her statement about not being able to remember specific details, short term (as well as long term) memory loss is an extremely likely side effect of traumatic head injury.

I never had any skull fractures but have been beaten a few times. There are some things that I remember like they happened yesterday (even though it happened long ago) but I have trouble remembering where I left my keys or what I had for breakfast, have to read and reread passages as I often forget what I just finished reading.

"Brown, who has refused to be formally interviewed by police, has been ordered to give herself up to police or face a court attendance notice."

Whenever you kill someone, even in America and even in self-defense, you have some explaining to do. The fact that she went on tv to tell her story but refused to talk to the police is a little strange isnt it? What would you do if you were the investigator in charge or DA? No doubt you would let her go right? What if being an investigator or DA meant that you had to write a report stating that it was either self-defense or murder or whatever? How could you write such a report stating that it was self defense without anything to back it with. "In conclusion, it is my belief Brown acted in self defense because ...er uh, she said so on tv?" Even if it was self defense, they have to rule out murder, right? No witnesses have come forward, including Brown.

 

[Werd]

I wasnt there, but the guy beat her badly enough to fracture her eye socket and skull. Do I think it odd that she talked to TV on the one hand? Perhaps, but if she was of the mindset that she did nothing wrong then her actions would well have been within the realm of believable. But then after the fact she gets served with a notice that she is being charged with homicide and she got scared. Wouldn't you be?

 

[MAX 300]

That is some cold-blooded shit there

I think there are two possibilities here...

1. She was shooting from a ways away and was just trying to stop him but happened to hit the head
or 2. She walked up and capped him in place

She was on the footpath, the car was parked on the curb. She was in the immediate vicinnity of it, the shot was from very close range, through the windshield killing the robber instantly or almost instantly.

There is no way she could have made that shot from range.

 

[IHateAmerica]

I wasnt there, but the guy beat her badly enough to fracture her eye socket and skull. Do I think it odd that she talked to TV on the one hand? Perhaps, but if she was of the mindset that she did nothing wrong then her actions would well have been within the realm of believable. But then after the fact she gets served with a notice that she is being charged with homicide and she got scared. Wouldn't you be?

I dont think it odd at all that she talked with the press, however, she did not talk to the police who were trying the figure the whole mess out. If she had the mindset that she did nothing wrong, then why didnt she talk to investogators? Perhaps even with a lawyer present?

these are the facts of the case:

She shot him.
She claimed on tv he beat her half to death first.
She has a slip from a doctor saying she has 'possible' brain damage.

What if all they cops want to do is meet with her and rule out that she shot him then repeatedly hit her self in the face with the butt of her pistol and claimed self-defense? Far-fetched? Sure. But cops still have to investigate to rule it out. Also, this isnt even in court yet, and there's no way she will get jailtime (even though its still murder if she didnt fear imminent death (hers) at the time she pulled the trigger).

 

[Werd]

I dont think it odd at all that she talked with the press, however, she did not talk to the police who were trying the figure the whole mess out. If she had the mindset that she did nothing wrong, then why didnt she talk to investogators? Perhaps even with a lawyer present?

these are the facts of the case:

She shot him.
She claimed on tv he beat her half to death first.
She has a slip from a doctor saying she has 'possible' brain damage.

What if all they cops want to do is meet with her and rule out that she shot him then repeatedly hit her self in the face with the butt of her pistol and claimed self-defense? Far-fetched? Sure. But cops still have to investigate to rule it out. Also, this isnt even in court yet, and there's no way she will get jailtime (even though its still murder if she didnt fear imminent death (hers) at the time she pulled the trigger).

This woman was beaten badly enough to have her socket and skull fractured.
She shot the man to death at close range after the fact.
She talked to TV about her story.
Then she was brought up on murder charges and was afraid to talk to police.

Do you honestly for one moment think that the possibility that she could get jail time or some other penalty (ie - criminal record keeping her from ever working in security or even as a lunch lady - I dont know the law well enough) wouldn't be enough to scare the shit out of someone? ...enough to cause the behavior this woman exhibited?

I am not saying that what she did was or was not justified. I am only arguing that I CAN SEE why she behaved the way she did.

There are many many guilty people walking around freely. And there are still many more that have been convicted of crimes they have not committed.

Also - just wondering. She had sustained pretty bad head injuries. Could her vision and motor skills have been affected enough where she would have "missed" when aiming at her assailant? Meaning, perhaps she didn't mean to shoot the guy in the head. But whether or not he intended to kill her I think is not so much a question.

Call me crazy but when my head was being pounded into a heavy wooden frame and I was being beaten senseless I didn't (and still don't) question for one second that the man who was doing the beating did most certainly intend to kill me.

I guess since I am biased I would make a shitty juror.

 

[MAX 300]

You are speculating a lot on this incident:

She was bleeding on the left side of her head after the attack, as shown on TV and news.

She shot her attacker at close range, through the windshield, while he was in the car that he was trying to get away in.

At the time she shot her attacker he was no longer a threat to her, the car was not moving towards her, or swirving, it's not clear right now if the engine was already running.

She gave a TV interview, for $100,000, afterwards. She was also filmed immediately after the attack, when she was standing upright, hands on her hips next to the scene.

Police made several attempts to contact her and to talk to her, she refused all of them. Police charged her several days later, I don't know how many days.