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City of Chicago's gun ban....
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There was rather a stink when the suburb of Willow Grove enacted a handgun ban; the law in Kennesaw GA -- which requires every head of household* to own a functioning firearm and some token amount of ammo -- dates back to that. Kennesaw wanted to make a political statement but discovered that their (already very low) crime rate dropped to zero.
A few states passed preemption laws after Willow Grove, saying cities were not allowed to confuse the issue any further by passing ordinances more strict than the state's law. Illinois is a mess, always has been, probably always will be.
(*with an exception granted to religious pacifists)
A few states passed preemption laws after Willow Grove, saying cities were not allowed to confuse the issue any further by passing ordinances more strict than the state's law. Illinois is a mess, always has been, probably always will be.
(*with an exception granted to religious pacifists)
p0ink
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"In Chicago it is unlawful to keep any firearm unless it has been registered with the Chicago Police at Daley Center. All firearms brought into the city must be registered. The registration certificate (valid for 1 year) must be carried simultaneously with the firearm, and exhibited upon demand of any police officer. Handguns may not be registered after 1982. So-called assault firearms may not be registered."
yeah, you're fucked....maybe.
ok, you have to register any firearm that you bring into chicago, something i am vehemently against for numerous reasons; eventual confiscation, government telling how and where you must store it (can be elsewhere besides your home), etc.
however, not the part about 'assualt weapons' being banned. unless your city has an ordinance defining what an 'assault weapon' is, they cant enforce it, since the government's definition of an 'assault weapon' is no longer on the books.
let me see.
yeah, you're fucked....maybe.
ok, you have to register any firearm that you bring into chicago, something i am vehemently against for numerous reasons; eventual confiscation, government telling how and where you must store it (can be elsewhere besides your home), etc.
however, not the part about 'assualt weapons' being banned. unless your city has an ordinance defining what an 'assault weapon' is, they cant enforce it, since the government's definition of an 'assault weapon' is no longer on the books.
let me see.
p0ink
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your gun laws for chicago:
(h) "Assault weapon" means any of the
following weapons:
(1) Assault Rifles
AK 47 type 86S type
AK 47S type 86S7 type
AK 74 type 87S type
AKS type Galil type
AKM type Type 56 type
AKMS type Type 565 type
84S1 type Valmet M76 type
Arm type Valmet M78 type
84S1 type M76 counter sniper type
84S3 type FAL type
HK91 type L1A1A type
HK93 type SAR 48 type
HK94 type AUG type
G3SA type FNC type
K1 type Uzi carbine
K2 type Algimec AGMI type
AR100 type AR180 type
M24S type MAS 223 type
SIG 550SP type Beretta BM59 type
SIG 551SP type Beretta AR70 type
Australian Automatic
Arms CIS SR88 type
SAR type
SKS type with detachable magazine
Colt AR-15
Springfield Armory SAR-48
Springfield Armory BM-59
Bushmaster Auto Rifle
Auto-Ordinance Thompson M1
Ruger Mini 14/5F
Federal XC-900 and XC-450
Feather AT-9 Auto Carbine
Goncz High Tech Carbine
Auto-Ordinance Thompson 1927A1
Iver Johnson PM30 P Paratrooper
(2) Assault Pistols
Uzi type
Heckler & Koch Sp-89 type
Australian Automatic Arms SAP type
Spectre Auto type
Sterling Mark 7 type; and
(3) Any weapon that the superintendent of
police defines by regulation as an assault
weapon because the design or operation of such
weapon is inappropriate for lawful use.
to, and confiscated by, the city.
8-24-025. Assault weapons or ammunition
- Sale Prohibited - Exceptions.
(a) No person shall sell, offer or display for
sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or
possess any assault weapon or assault ammunition,
as those terms are defined in Chapter 8-20
of this code. This section shall not apply to any
officer, agent, or employee of this or any other
municipality or state or of the United States,
members of the armed forces of the United
States, or the organized militia of this or any
other state, and peace officers as defined in this
code to the extent that any such person is otherwise
authorized to acquire or possess an assault
weapon or assault ammunition and is acting
within the scope of his or her duties. In addition,
this section shall not apply to the acquisition or
possession of assault ammunition by persons
employed to provide security for armored carriers
or mobile check cashing services while in
the course of such duties, while commuting directly
to or from the person's place of employment,
and while at the person's home, if the
assault ammunition (1) is acquired or possessed
for the use with a weapon that the person has
been authorized to carry under Section 28 of the
Illinois Private Detective, Private Alarm and Private
Security Act of 1983; and (2) consists of an
ammunition magazine that has a capacity of 15
or fewer rounds of ammunition.
(b) Any assault weapon or assault ammunition
possessed, sold or transferred in violation of
subsection (a) is hereby declared to be contraband
and shall be seized and disposed of in
accordance with the provisions of Section 8-20-
220.
(c) Any person found in violation of this section
shall be sentenced to not more than six
months imprisonment or fined not less than
$500.00 and not more than $1,000.00 or both.
(d) Any person who, prior to the effective date
of the ordinance codified in this section, was
legally in possession of an assault weapon or
assault ammunition prohibited by this section
shall have 14 days from the effective date of the
ordinance codified in this section to do any of
the following without being subject to prosecution
hereunder:
(1) To remove the assault weapon or
ammunition from within the limits of the city of
Chicago; or
(2) To modify the assault weapon either to
render it permanently inoperable or to permanently
make it a device no longer defined as an
assault weapon; or
(3) To surrender the assault weapon or ammunition
to the superintendent of police or his
designee for disposal in accordance with Section
8-20-220
(h) "Assault weapon" means any of the
following weapons:
(1) Assault Rifles
AK 47 type 86S type
AK 47S type 86S7 type
AK 74 type 87S type
AKS type Galil type
AKM type Type 56 type
AKMS type Type 565 type
84S1 type Valmet M76 type
Arm type Valmet M78 type
84S1 type M76 counter sniper type
84S3 type FAL type
HK91 type L1A1A type
HK93 type SAR 48 type
HK94 type AUG type
G3SA type FNC type
K1 type Uzi carbine
K2 type Algimec AGMI type
AR100 type AR180 type
M24S type MAS 223 type
SIG 550SP type Beretta BM59 type
SIG 551SP type Beretta AR70 type
Australian Automatic
Arms CIS SR88 type
SAR type
SKS type with detachable magazine
Colt AR-15
Springfield Armory SAR-48
Springfield Armory BM-59
Bushmaster Auto Rifle
Auto-Ordinance Thompson M1
Ruger Mini 14/5F
Federal XC-900 and XC-450
Feather AT-9 Auto Carbine
Goncz High Tech Carbine
Auto-Ordinance Thompson 1927A1
Iver Johnson PM30 P Paratrooper
(2) Assault Pistols
Uzi type
Heckler & Koch Sp-89 type
Australian Automatic Arms SAP type
Spectre Auto type
Sterling Mark 7 type; and
(3) Any weapon that the superintendent of
police defines by regulation as an assault
weapon because the design or operation of such
weapon is inappropriate for lawful use.
to, and confiscated by, the city.
8-24-025. Assault weapons or ammunition
- Sale Prohibited - Exceptions.
(a) No person shall sell, offer or display for
sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or
possess any assault weapon or assault ammunition,
as those terms are defined in Chapter 8-20
of this code. This section shall not apply to any
officer, agent, or employee of this or any other
municipality or state or of the United States,
members of the armed forces of the United
States, or the organized militia of this or any
other state, and peace officers as defined in this
code to the extent that any such person is otherwise
authorized to acquire or possess an assault
weapon or assault ammunition and is acting
within the scope of his or her duties. In addition,
this section shall not apply to the acquisition or
possession of assault ammunition by persons
employed to provide security for armored carriers
or mobile check cashing services while in
the course of such duties, while commuting directly
to or from the person's place of employment,
and while at the person's home, if the
assault ammunition (1) is acquired or possessed
for the use with a weapon that the person has
been authorized to carry under Section 28 of the
Illinois Private Detective, Private Alarm and Private
Security Act of 1983; and (2) consists of an
ammunition magazine that has a capacity of 15
or fewer rounds of ammunition.
(b) Any assault weapon or assault ammunition
possessed, sold or transferred in violation of
subsection (a) is hereby declared to be contraband
and shall be seized and disposed of in
accordance with the provisions of Section 8-20-
220.
(c) Any person found in violation of this section
shall be sentenced to not more than six
months imprisonment or fined not less than
$500.00 and not more than $1,000.00 or both.
(d) Any person who, prior to the effective date
of the ordinance codified in this section, was
legally in possession of an assault weapon or
assault ammunition prohibited by this section
shall have 14 days from the effective date of the
ordinance codified in this section to do any of
the following without being subject to prosecution
hereunder:
(1) To remove the assault weapon or
ammunition from within the limits of the city of
Chicago; or
(2) To modify the assault weapon either to
render it permanently inoperable or to permanently
make it a device no longer defined as an
assault weapon; or
(3) To surrender the assault weapon or ammunition
to the superintendent of police or his
designee for disposal in accordance with Section
8-20-220
crew9 said:
this is a highly debated aspect of the 2nd amendment. there are many discrepancies as to exactly what that is. private citizens to rise up against a tyrannical gov't, the national guard... yada yada. i have a degree in political science and have taken classes with conservative as well as liberal professors. while i feel i have a well rounded view of the constitution i also find that each and every "expert" usually believes it to mean something different. hence each is taken with a grain of salt. therefore rather than give you one opinion as to what it means, i left that statement open as i don't care to debate my interpretation of it. personally i don't care, i just mentioned it as a "qualifying factor".
Poink - Thanks for the info man...
"Any weapon that the superintendent of police defines by regulation as an assault
weapon because the design or operation of such weapon is inappropriate for lawful use."
This means it is fuct....
So I guess an 18" barrel 12 guage or a rifle is about all there is....
What about women- how many of them are going to use a shotgun or a rifle for self defense... I think the handgun ban is to their disadvantage.
"Any weapon that the superintendent of police defines by regulation as an assault
weapon because the design or operation of such weapon is inappropriate for lawful use."
This means it is fuct....
So I guess an 18" barrel 12 guage or a rifle is about all there is....
What about women- how many of them are going to use a shotgun or a rifle for self defense... I think the handgun ban is to their disadvantage.
milo hobgoblin
New member
Why dont we just ask the people who WROTE the constitution what they meant???
Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)
DID YOU READ THAT SHEEPLE..... EVER EVER EVER EVER.. That means EVER you stupid fucking liberals.
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved), or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824
John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785.
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
- Tench Coxe
To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
- Richard Henry Lee
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.
- Alexander Hamilton
And here is an example of EXACTLY what we would have if arms were banned
Whenever people . . . entrust the defense of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens.
-- "A Framer," in the Independent Gazetteer, 1791
I think his speake VOLUMES to EXACTLY what they "meant" when they wrote the constitution.. so I think most of you anti gun idiots can STFU.
and here is one of my favorites
George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)
oh and for you "militia only" idiots
George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
Debates, 425-426)
And here are some of our FAVORITW Anti-Gun advocates
Adolf Hitler: "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun
registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead."
(Chancelor's Speech, 1935)
Charles Shumer: (US Congress, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution) "All we ask for
is registration, just like we do for cars." (Press conference, 1993, exact date being sought)
Adof Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subject peoples to
possess arms. So let's not have any talk about native militias." (Hitler's Secret Conversations,
1941-44, Farrar, Strauss and Young, 1953)
Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must
command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of
War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)
Diane Feinstein: "US Senator, If I could have banned them all- 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in
your guns' -I would have!" (Statement on TV program 69 Minutes, Feb 5 1995)
Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the
act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi,
446)
Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)
Bill Clinton: (US President, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution, (not to violate it,
criticize it, and belittle it)) "When we got organized as a country, [and] wrote a fairly radical
Constitution, with a radical Bill of Rights, giving radical amounts of freedom to Americans, it was
assumed that Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly...When personal freedom is
being abused, you have to move to limit it." (April 19 1994, on MTV)
Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)
DID YOU READ THAT SHEEPLE..... EVER EVER EVER EVER.. That means EVER you stupid fucking liberals.
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved), or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824
John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785.
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
- Tench Coxe
To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
- Richard Henry Lee
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.
- Alexander Hamilton
And here is an example of EXACTLY what we would have if arms were banned
Whenever people . . . entrust the defense of their country to a regular, standing army, composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain under the direction of the most wealthy citizens.
-- "A Framer," in the Independent Gazetteer, 1791
I think his speake VOLUMES to EXACTLY what they "meant" when they wrote the constitution.. so I think most of you anti gun idiots can STFU.
and here is one of my favorites
George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)
oh and for you "militia only" idiots
George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
Debates, 425-426)
And here are some of our FAVORITW Anti-Gun advocates
Adolf Hitler: "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun
registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead."
(Chancelor's Speech, 1935)
Charles Shumer: (US Congress, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution) "All we ask for
is registration, just like we do for cars." (Press conference, 1993, exact date being sought)
Adof Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subject peoples to
possess arms. So let's not have any talk about native militias." (Hitler's Secret Conversations,
1941-44, Farrar, Strauss and Young, 1953)
Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must
command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of
War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)
Diane Feinstein: "US Senator, If I could have banned them all- 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in
your guns' -I would have!" (Statement on TV program 69 Minutes, Feb 5 1995)
Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the
act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi,
446)
Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)
Bill Clinton: (US President, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution, (not to violate it,
criticize it, and belittle it)) "When we got organized as a country, [and] wrote a fairly radical
Constitution, with a radical Bill of Rights, giving radical amounts of freedom to Americans, it was
assumed that Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly...When personal freedom is
being abused, you have to move to limit it." (April 19 1994, on MTV)
