there is a 50 year old dude at my gym who benches 480 .. he is a beast. how dumb was I to assume he was natural.. well recently I spotted him after he nailed 465 and I was giving him props after saying you are 50 and natural and able to do that much.. well he looked at me and said "yup, I'm natural" sarcastically and giggled. so don't assume just cause someone says they are natural that they are. I don't tell people I juice either. there are a couple cops that workout with us and there is no need for people to know, its a subject you really shouldn't even bring up in public. you never know who is listening.