Poll which pct is better no bs here this will show the results

[Mac173]

Always recovered fine with HCG/clomid/nolvadex.

 

[needtogetaas]

but surely it cant be coensidence that the guys that are endorsing these particular products are the only ones who seem to know any different and the rest off the aas world are still in the dark.

me and people i know have had bloods done after nolva/clomid and have recovered fully...along with many other aas users around the globe im sure.

these meds are obviously are gonna have certain side effects,especially when they are not being used what they are origianlly designed for.

Bro you can not honestly say that ef is the only place you are going to hear people talking about using other things for pct. Be it the product sold here or not. You can not honestly say ef is the only place you are going to find some one who uses or advocates the use of these products (sustain,unleashed,forged post cycle, TRS and more) . Ya you can find one or two sites who refuse to take them into consideration. I know for a fact you have prob been to the site I am thinking about to.

You know what I find funny as hell. You show me a few of them guys who swear up and down they are no good. And I bet my life I bet you 500.00 worth of free products I bet I can find one of them who made a thread here on ef like the one hayez made.

Yes of course people tend to mold to the forum they are on. Of course when you go to the Af board they are all going to hate sustain alpha and love clomid and nolva. WHY? hmmm gee I don't know maybe because the owners own a chemical research site that sells them on there site. Maybe because they despise me and PP and nelson.

No site is perfect. But at least here on ef you have a right to say what you want so long as its said respectfully. As long as you are not just over here trying to disrupt things and cause trouble.

Its the same with every forum. You name the forum bro. Lets play name that forum and I bet with in mins I can find out why they masses so strongly advocate what they do. I could pin poit every single Key member,vet leader of that forum and tell you who he is working for and how it effects the advice he gives.

Why can I do this. Because its my job. I own a advertising consulting business. I been picking apart forums for years. I been studding the life of forums for years now.

I know for a fact ef has the best environment there is as a whole though. We got a little of everything and every kind of person.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This is where we differ just a bit. I have seen some threads where people said sustain alpha,unleashed,post cycle and some adex did not work for them. In fact I have all these threads booked marked and know exactly where they are. I keep them booked marked so when some aaaah ill informed person wants to come behind a statement like the one you just made and say something dumb like

(of course there is no threads like that they would get deleted or the member would get banned). I can throw it right in there face and say............ Hell no they would not and here is the prof of that!!!!!!!

Just like I have a bunch of threads book marked where clomid or nolva did not work for people or made them feel like shit.


I would also never say that clomid and or nolva will not work (depending on the cycle) but at the same time I know for a fact most of the products talked about on elite do work for a lot of people. I know they work for a lot of people on there own and I know they make a lot of peoples pct better when added to the pct they always do.

I know this for a fact. Just nolva or clomid alone is not the (best option) and maybe just maybe some of the product on there own are not (the best option) ether for some cycles. This is why my advice is different from person to person and case to case.

I always look at whats best. Lots of people only want to look at (just enough) but no one should do that.

Wait a minute bro. I know what you're saying but I would take issue with certain exeptions. Sure, if somedocy does it worng, or doesn;t use hcg soon enough. or used heavy dosages of tren, or stayed on for 9 months....of course, It's not goign to work right away. Nothing will.

 

[needtogetaas]

Wait a minute bro. I know what you're saying but I would take issue with certain exeptions. Sure, if somedocy does it worng, or doesn;t use hcg soon enough. or used heavy dosages of tren, or stayed on for 9 months....of course, It's not goign to work right away. Nothing will.

For the most part that is the thread I have on record ha ha. Extreme cases or something different.


I myself want to throw a curve ball into the mix. I myself feel that nether any of the products nor clomid or nolva Are good enough or the rest pct after deca/tren/npp
I think non of them address the shut down problems these compounds bring with them. And no I do not mean they shut you down more. I feel they shut you down in by different mechanisms that are not addressed by any of the products/clomid/nolva we are all talking about.

 

[Nelson Montana]

but surely it cant be coensidence that the guys that are endorsing these particular products are the only ones who seem to know any different and the rest off the aas world are still in the dark.

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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% DEAD WRONG ABOUT THIS AND I RESENT THE ACCUSATION. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A LIST OF MY CREDENTIALS BUT I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT DOZEN OF THINGS OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS THAT WERE REJECTED AT FIRST AND THEN BECAME ACCEPTED DOCTRINE. I HAVE WORKED WITH SOME OF THE MOST BRILLIANT MINDS IN THE INDUSTRY GOING BACK TO DAN DUCHAINE. TO SUGGEST THAT I'M JUST PULLING THIS OUT OF MY ASS REALLY KINDA PISSES ME OFF.


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me and people i know have had bloods done after nolva/clomid and have recovered fully...along with many other aas users around the globe im sure.

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LOTS OF GUYS HAVE RECOVERED WITH NOTHING.


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these meds are obviously are gonna have certain side effects,especially when they are not being used what they are origianlly designed for.


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BINGO. MY METHOD DOES NOT. STORY OVER.

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[Nelson Montana]

For the most part that is the thread I have on record ha ha. Extreme cases or something different.


I myself want to throw a curve ball into the mix. I myself feel that nether any of the products nor clomid or nolva Are good enough or the rest pct after deca/tren/npp
I think non of them address the shut down problems these compounds bring with them. And no I do not mean they shut you down more. I feel they shut you down in by different mechanisms that are not addressed by any of the products/clomid/nolva we are all talking about.

That is very true. There's no guarantee and when you put compounds like tren and deca into the mix, for which anti estrogens are useless, you're really hurting your chances of recovering fully if the dosages get too high or you stay on for too long.

 

[needtogetaas]

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All I ask nelson is you try to be a bit more AAAH nice wen you speak to people. I notice you do not call people names and get down to a childhood level. That is great. But I also notice that you could try to put a nicer spin on the way you put your info out there. Or the way you defend your thoughts.

The way you put things is not going over the edge on ef and its rules. But it sure has a way of making the next person want to go over the edge lmao.

Nothing against ya because you are who ya are but think about that good friend. Thanks.

 

[littleb]

agree need a clomid nolva and hcg option... for me personally works everytime with bloodwork to tell me...

 

[needtogetaas]

agree need a clomid nolva and hcg option... for me personally works everytime with bloodwork to tell me...

I do have thread with people posting blood work after just a trs stack pct. And yes it worked. Posted results on ef and other sites.

 

[mr.nitro]

remember when aifm was all the rage on this board? then they cut ties and no one uses thier product anymore. ironic. kinda what I see here. as long as a product is promoted here, its good shit. once it no longer is advertized here everyone moves on.