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Heart attack, Car accident, and triple bypass surgery bro's

79steeler

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Hey bro's it's a complete miracle that I'm here to share this with you. I think most of you know me by now.

On Easter Sunday after a very relaxing day of church and a family dinner I was driving home from my girlfriends with her and our dog. My Mom, Sister, Aunt, and Uncle were following behind us. We got about five minutes from her parents house and Kristine my girlfriend looked over at me and said my head just slumped forward on my chest and I was passed out. This happened while traveling at approximately 45 m.p.h.. I proceeded to run off the run to the right hand side and hit a construction sign, the big orange ones with lights that tell you when a road is closed. I blew that thing into a million pieces before I hit a power pole, that was almost as big around as a phone pole dead center in my hood, I cut it in half and came to a stop totaling my vehicle. Please remember that I don't remember any of this as I was passed out. My girlfriend Kristine fell out of the vehicle and her leg was run over by the rear tire. She sprang back up and climbed into the vehicle to try and resusitate me. Two nurses where on there way home and saw the accident and jumped out of there car a came over and pushed my histerical girlfriend aside and started to do chest compressions as they did'nt think I was breathing. I finally woke up after a about 20 or 30 seconds and said, "What is going on", they said, "stay calm you've been in an accident", I said "what accident". I looked around and my suv was totalled. Blood was running out of my mouth, from biting the inside of my lip pretty bad, maybe from the airbags deploying. By this time police and ambulance showed up and I was boarded and taken too a trauma center not far from the accident. No drugs or aclohol was involved in the accident.

Kristine and I both walked across the street to the ambulances, because of the power lines that were down. Kristine only suffered some bruising on her leg from the accident and I only had bitten the inside of my lip pretty badly, it is already healed. No other injuries from the accident.

After two day's of testing it was confirmed that I had a heart attack. I had a proceeder were they inject dye into the veins leading into your heart and it was determined that I had three blocked veins that feed my heart blood and oxygen. They were all about 75-80% blocked. A triple bypass was performed by a great cardio thoracic and vascular surgeon. He said I have the heart of an eighteen year old man and that no permanent damage was done. He said that my lifestyle of bodybuild and cardio fitness saved my life and I recovered well enough in three day's to be sent home. I just got home yesterday afternoon.

I would like to know since I've only done three cycles in my life and am on self prescribed hrt, your opinions as to whether or not AAS could have contributed to the blocked veins, or was it purely genetic, which is what my surgeon thinks?

Also what are your opinions of using AAS in the future once I am healed up?

Surgeon say's no weights for 8 weeks till my breast bone is completely healed. Then I should be able to resume my lifestyle at whatever level I choose.

It's good to be alive and I wanted to share this with you.

I implore you if to stay on top of your blood pressure. If you over 35 go to a cardioligist and have a full heart work up done. I had no warning signs at all. I was in the gym the day before and did 45min on the stationary bike, with no problems. Bro's I am as healthy looking as they come. My diet is excellent. You never know what you are genetically pre disposed to. Get yourself's checked out.
 
Well Thank god you are still with us my friend. I hate having to lose good friends around here.

Could the aas have helped it along. Meh its likely. If it was totally the aas's fault then we would be seeing a hell of a lot more threads like this all around the forums like ef. But we don't.

Damn right it prob contributed to it though. Its a known fact steroids raise bp,cholesterol and shit like that. This of course is going to put more strain on the heart.
 
if you had run many cycles or long cycles I would say, maybe it was a factor. we all know aas can mess with out lipid panel.that is a real risk.my oppinion is that only 3 cycle in you life would not have caused the heart attack. I belive it to be genetic.
 
My lipids actually came back ok for being in the middle of a heavy cycle. Total Cholesterol was 203, all my other blood work came back pretty good as well rbc, was within normal range, and hemoglobin was ok as well. I thought maybe my blood had thickened up on my too much, but the blood test proved otherwise. I will try and post all by blood work if I can get a copy of it.
 
Dont really have any answers to your questions, just wanted to say I'm sorry that happened to you, but glad you are still with us. God was def. w/ you that day, without a doubt!
 
you're kidding yourself if you think AAS use had absolutely no part in it. Heart attacks are caused by inflamation. Your heart was healthy as can be because of your active lifestyle and AAS does help with that. But you get even the slightest bit of inflammation and that will happen. Gear contributed to it, but the biggest contributing factor is lifestyle. The genetics argument is horseshit, it's a way for the medical industry to just shrug their shoulders and put you on all sorts of drugs instead of telling you the hard truth. Unfortunately the typical BB diet is filled with heavy animal fats and proteins. We don't suffer the same heart problems because we're metabolizing alot of it. Sedentary people with the same diets would be kealing over. But it's just a matter of time, and add gear useage to it which does mess with your bad cholesterol....heavy lifting which expands the veins and causes the intitial ruptures....it's all a combination of stuff that leads to these calcium deposits that are what cause the blockages. You're lucky that you're in such good shape that they tell you no permanent heart damage has been done. My humble advice is to seriously curtail the future gear use, except for GH. And to completely overhaul your diet........get away from animal proteins. With all the toxins we're ingesting daily that we have no control over, adding meat proteins in such high amounts stretches our bodies resources to thin. Something eventually gives. You can't have ounces and ounces of undigesting meat sitting in your stomach and colon drawing precious bodily resources away from doing things "LIKE" clearing out calcified veins. You don't have to completely give up meat, far from it. But you have to seriously curb it. Our little whey protein powders are also a source of imflammation now from what I've read. This is new for me so I'm not 100% on this, but from what i've read recently they're finding out that these whey isolates are about as undigestable as a well done steak.....so they add the undigesting shit in our bodies which makes our bodies more acidic, because we're generating acids to aid in digestion.........a state which leads to inflammation. I've had my own heart problems bro, which has led me to study this in detail I would have never guessed I would have to at 31. But I'm glad I did because I've made changes to my life that will serve me well for a long time to come.

What an experience though, I can't imagine that........good to hear you made it through that. Peace.......and if you want to talk about all things "heart" related, give me a pm anytime.
 
Steroids can make preexisting conditions even worse. It really sucks that our doctors are scared of prescribing steroids and monitoring us during cycle for fear of being prosecuted like many already are... I'm sure if you were getting your gear from your doc, or at least had a doc who was willing to monitor your body during cycle, your heart condition would have been discovered a lot sooner... Even if this condition was NOT caused by the Steroids, being monitored by a Doc during all your previous cycles would have give you a chance to have picked up on this problem before it ever became a problem.
 
redsamurai said:
you're kidding yourself if you think AAS use had absolutely no part in it. Heart attacks are caused by inflamation. Your heart was healthy as can be because of your active lifestyle and AAS does help with that. But you get even the slightest bit of inflammation and that will happen. Gear contributed to it, but the biggest contributing factor is lifestyle. The genetics argument is horseshit, it's a way for the medical industry to just shrug their shoulders and put you on all sorts of drugs instead of telling you the hard truth. Unfortunately the typical BB diet is filled with heavy animal fats and proteins. We don't suffer the same heart problems because we're metabolizing alot of it. Sedentary people with the same diets would be kealing over. But it's just a matter of time, and add gear useage to it which does mess with your bad cholesterol....heavy lifting which expands the veins and causes the intitial ruptures....it's all a combination of stuff that leads to these calcium deposits that are what cause the blockages. You're lucky that you're in such good shape that they tell you no permanent heart damage has been done. My humble advice is to seriously curtail the future gear use, except for GH. And to completely overhaul your diet........get away from animal proteins. With all the toxins we're ingesting daily that we have no control over, adding meat proteins in such high amounts stretches our bodies resources to thin. Something eventually gives. You can't have ounces and ounces of undigesting meat sitting in your stomach and colon drawing precious bodily resources away from doing things "LIKE" clearing out calcified veins. You don't have to completely give up meat, far from it. But you have to seriously curb it. Our little whey protein powders are also a source of imflammation now from what I've read. This is new for me so I'm not 100% on this, but from what i've read recently they're finding out that these whey isolates are about as undigestable as a well done steak.....so they add the undigesting shit in our bodies which makes our bodies more acidic, because we're generating acids to aid in digestion.........a state which leads to inflammation. I've had my own heart problems bro, which has led me to study this in detail I would have never guessed I would have to at 31. But I'm glad I did because I've made changes to my life that will serve me well for a long time to come.

What an experience though, I can't imagine that........good to hear you made it through that. Peace.......and if you want to talk about all things "heart" related, give me a pm anytime.
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this was due to a blockage, not inflamation!
 
redsamurai said:
you're kidding yourself if you think AAS use had absolutely no part in it. Heart attacks are caused by inflamation. Your heart was healthy as can be because of your active lifestyle and AAS does help with that. But you get even the slightest bit of inflammation and that will happen. Gear contributed to it, but the biggest contributing factor is lifestyle. The genetics argument is horseshit, it's a way for the medical industry to just shrug their shoulders and put you on all sorts of drugs instead of telling you the hard truth. Unfortunately the typical BB diet is filled with heavy animal fats and proteins. We don't suffer the same heart problems because we're metabolizing alot of it. Sedentary people with the same diets would be kealing over. But it's just a matter of time, and add gear useage to it which does mess with your bad cholesterol....heavy lifting which expands the veins and causes the intitial ruptures....it's all a combination of stuff that leads to these calcium deposits that are what cause the blockages. You're lucky that you're in such good shape that they tell you no permanent heart damage has been done. My humble advice is to seriously curtail the future gear use, except for GH. And to completely overhaul your diet........get away from animal proteins. With all the toxins we're ingesting daily that we have no control over, adding meat proteins in such high amounts stretches our bodies resources to thin. Something eventually gives. You can't have ounces and ounces of undigesting meat sitting in your stomach and colon drawing precious bodily resources away from doing things "LIKE" clearing out calcified veins. You don't have to completely give up meat, far from it. But you have to seriously curb it. Our little whey protein powders are also a source of imflammation now from what I've read. This is new for me so I'm not 100% on this, but from what i've read recently they're finding out that these whey isolates are about as undigestable as a well done steak.....so they add the undigesting shit in our bodies which makes our bodies more acidic, because we're generating acids to aid in digestion.........a state which leads to inflammation. I've had my own heart problems bro, which has led me to study this in detail I would have never guessed I would have to at 31. But I'm glad I did because I've made changes to my life that will serve me well for a long time to come.

What an experience though, I can't imagine that........good to hear you made it through that. Peace.......and if you want to talk about all things "heart" related, give me a pm anytime.
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the genetic argument bullshit? how could u even say that? diabeties cancer and so on runs in alot of families and alot of things are genetic and so is heart disease....the guy ran 3 cycles in his life i highly highly doubt that gave him the heart attack....good hes ok now did he mention his age?
 
first off...seriously glad your ok brother!! Look at it this way..you kicked that heart attack's ass!! you slumped over and crashed like a mother fu*@ker, were out for a minute then woke up and said WTF?? thats pretty amazing right there:evil:
I dont think genetics or hereditary shit is out of the question here. if men in your family all have heart issues then yeah, chances are your gonna too. could the gear have brought it on sooner? sure. Did it? who knows.
Bottom line....we're all glad your ok:biggrin:
 
take nothing for granted and enjoy everything

i am so happy you are OK bro

shoot me a line
 
juniorsamples said:
Man, I'm glad you're doing well. How old are you?
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Bro's I will be 41 in august.

My veins were blocked due to a build up of plaque they said, not a piece of plaque that broke loose and lodged in my heart. A build up of plaque likely occured over a long period of time.

My heart surgeon said that a 40 year old who smoked, drank, and ate fast food all his life should not have the level of blockage that I have.

I told him that I did some test, running it at 500mg for periods of 12 weeks at times, he did not seem too concerned by my statement. I did not tell him that I did other steroids. I will discuss further with my heart surgeon my future steriod usage.

I think this is a good discussion and would like to hear other opinions as well.

What happens to all the oil that we are injection into our systems?
 
Thank you to all the bro's that have responded to this thread with kind words.

Please guy's go have a stress test of your heart done. This will help determine if you have any hidden or underlying problems. If I would have done this I would probably not had a heart attack and wrecked my car and almost killed my girl and possible others. I still would have had to have the surgery, just under better conditions.
 
airsmith2k said:
the genetic argument bullshit? how could u even say that? diabeties cancer and so on runs in alot of families and alot of things are genetic and so is heart disease....the guy ran 3 cycles in his life i highly highly doubt that gave him the heart attack....good hes ok now did he mention his age?
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some people have a genetic advantage in their bodies dealing with the plaque buildup. The buildup of plaque however is a completely envirnmental issue. Yes, there are people who eat mcdonalds every day of their lives and live to be of fairly decent age, but they don't age well. But those people are not athletes.....if they tried to lift heavy weights their veings would bulge and one of those plaque buildups would get set loose. The genetics argument is a copout.......you can have all the history of heart disease in the world, if you control your bodies alkalinity you will not die of a heart attack. They don't want to tell you this because they don't want you to make lifestyle changes that would make thier drugs pointless.........
 
79steeler said:
Thank you to all the bro's that have responded to this thread with kind words.

Please guy's go have a stress test of your heart done. This will help determine if you have any hidden or underlying problems. If I would have done this I would probably not had a heart attack and wrecked my car and almost killed my girl and possible others. I still would have had to have the surgery, just under better conditions.
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a stress test will just show previous heart attacks or some sort of problem with the electrical pahtways in the heart. For preventing heart attacks, having a catheterization gives you an idea of the plaque buildup in the arteries leading to your heart. You had this, right bro? what was your doctors conclusion?
 
Thats odd with build up like that. So it seems to be some sort of weird thing thats exclusive to you? Or something hereditary maybe? Again maybe other things contributed. I was going to go at the end of may and get blood work done when I would be about 15 weeks in cycle, but your thread has made me move it up to the next week or two:biggrin: . I'm also going to schedule a stress test too. Havnt had one since I was 20. I'm "only" just turned 33 but your only 40 too. Neither of us are old by any means. But just goes to show that you never know.
 
Yes, but a stress test that shows a little something will lead a cardiologist to order a catheritization test. Yes I had this. They place a cathereter in your artery in your groin and go up into your heart and inject dye which they watch on a monitor, as it will show blockages. This test is the only true test that will actually show a blockage. The problem is that you just can't ask for a Cath. test., as there are risks involved with this test. You have to start with a stress test, ekg, or echocardiogram. All good tests that, if there is a problem can lead a cardiologist to order a Cath. test.

My Cath. test came back postive for plaque blockages in three arteries so bad that they felt placing stints in them was a very short term fix. 75% t0 85% blocked.
 
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wow......those blockages are not heriditary though bro. Don't let them tell you they were. There's alot of info out there about inflammation, do yourself a favor and look it all up. Read up on what contributes to inflammation.

As a short term fix, I would suggest you start fasting.....just for one day at first, than work your way up. Fasting clears your arteries out better than any surgical procedure. But it takes awhile to get used to. I can snap off a 3-4 fast now no problem. And don't worry about people telling you you'll lose all your mass. I've been fasting at least twice a month now for a couple months and I've lost 25 pounds with no strength loss. Yeah, I don't lift heavy the day after I come off a fast......but I haven't lost hardly any muscle. You'd have to fast for well over a week for your body to get into your muscle stores. Your body release more GH during fasting than any other time naturally. Do research on it, you'll read about people who have accomplished some amazing things healthwise from fasting.




79steeler said:
Yes, but a stress test that shows a little something will lead a cardiologist to order a catheritization test. Yes I had this. They place a cathereter in your artery in your groin and go up into your heart and inject dye which they watch on a monitor, as it will show blockages. This test is the only true test that will actually show a blockage. The problem is that you just can't ask for a Cath. test., as there are risks involved with this test. You have to start with a stress test, ekg, or echocardiogram. All good tests that, if there is a problem can lead a cardiologist to order a stress test.

My Cath. test came back postive for plaque blockages in three arteries so bad that they felt placing stints in them was a very short term fix. 75% t0 85% blocked.
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redsamurai said:
a stress test will just show previous heart attacks or some sort of problem with the electrical pahtways in the heart. For preventing heart attacks, having a catheterization gives you an idea of the plaque buildup in the arteries leading to your heart. You had this, right bro? what was your doctors conclusion?
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Ok...., sorry. I can't take any more. My friend, almost nothing you have written has any factual truth in the field of medicine. Some of your statements are so blatantly uneducated and generalized I refuse to even address them. I however cannot let this one slide because it would be quite unfortunate for someone to assume that a stress test "only shows previous heart attacks" and that a heart cath is the only way to determine plaque buildup.

For one..., a functional study of the human heart can be done with a nuclear stress test utilizing radiopharmaceuticals such as Cardiolite or Myoview. These tests are done with two phases. The resting phase and then the stress phase. Functional images are taken with a gamma camera during both phases which show distribution of the injected radio-tracer throughout the myocardium. These images are taken with a SPECT protocol which acquires projection views of the heart which are then recombined later into a sonogram. Horizontal Long Axis, Vertical Long Axis, and Short Axis views from both the resting and stress images are compared. Defects appearing on both the resting and stress images DO indicate a previous myocardial infarction, HOWEVER..., if a defect appears on the resting images, and DOES NOT appear on the stress images, then the patient is diagnosed with Ischemia. Can anyone guess what the main underlying cause of Ischemia is? Atherosclerosis. Build up of plaque. Therefore, the patient will more than likely be scheduled for heart catheterization if they meet certain screening issues, and the cardiologist will likely implant one or multiple stents. This determination was MADE POSSIBLE due to the diagnosis of Ischemia based on data acquired UTILIZING A NUCLEAR STRESS TEST! The good news is the cardiologist will have a functional and morphological "road map" so to speak showing him exactly which area of the myocardium is being/has been affected. Again this is very important, and quite beneficial to the patient.

Furthermore, cardiologists are able to notice small deviations in the EKG during a normal stress test that can indicate previous MI and/or Ischemia.

There is a reason these tests are one of the most important, and frequently performed tests in the hospital setting. They are LESS INVASIVE TO THE PATIENT than a heart cath. To many potentially dangerous variables come into play during a heart cath procedure. Not that a cath isn't routine, it is just absolutely insane for one to suggest that a stress test is pointless. There are certain patients who have OTHER underlying health problems that make them high risk for stress test complications. These patients will more than likely go straight to the heart cath floor. For the majority of us however a nuclear stress test is the least invasive, and most informative test one can have, and is usually a great starting point to determine if any further treatment is needed.

In closing..., if you believe that a catheterization is the only test that can show a blockage then you are either ignorant on the subject of cardiology, or at least ignorant on the current state of practice used in the discipline of cardiology. If your cardiologist believes this...., fire him, and/or move out of the sticks and go to a hospital that can afford a nuclear medicine department. I mean Jesus, even a CT of the heart will show the actual calcium deposits within the coronary arteries!
 
Glad you're still with us my friend, things like this is why i state one of the best products you can use on or off cycle, Lipid Stabil by molecularNutrition.
I hate to advertise but this is one of those cases i feel it is justified!

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Sorry you had to go through that but glad you're okay.

yes, although we all know the dangers of steroids are grossly exaggerated, higher blood pressure is actually pretty common and MUST be watched. Another reason not to go overboard with the dosages brothers.
 
heavydutyhit said:
For one..., a functional study of the human heart can be done with a nuclear stress test utilizing radiopharmaceuticals such as Cardiolite or Myoview. These tests are done with two phases. The resting phase and then the stress phase. Functional images are taken with a gamma camera during both phases which show distribution of the injected radio-tracer throughout the myocardium. These images are taken with a SPECT protocol which acquires projection views of the heart which are then recombined later into a sonogram. Horizontal Long Axis, Vertical Long Axis, and Short Axis views from both the resting and stress images are compared. Defects appearing on both the resting and stress images DO indicate a previous myocardial infarction, HOWEVER..., if a defect appears on the resting images, and DOES NOT appear on the stress images, then the patient is diagnosed with Ischemia. Can anyone guess what the main underlying cause of Ischemia is? Atherosclerosis. Build up of plaque. Therefore, the patient will more than likely be scheduled for heart catheterization if they meet certain screening issues, and the cardiologist will likely implant one or multiple stents. This determination was MADE POSSIBLE due to the diagnosis of Ischemia based on data acquired UTILIZING A NUCLEAR STRESS TEST
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Yes, I know what a stress nuclear is......I had one monday. We were talking about regular stress tests which are basically standard EKG's only done on a treadmill, which I have also had. A nuclear stress test is quite an undertaking though, you're in the doctors office for over 4 hours. This far and above a regular "stress test" which ALWAYS is referring to an ekg test unless you PURPOSEFULLY add the word "NUCLEAR" in front of it. Two very different tests in magnitude and cost. And if I"m not mistaken, getting a stress nuclear perscribed requires some sort of previous heart related "event". YOu're not going to walk into your primary and ask for a stress nuclear. So what was your point here dude?




Furthermore, cardiologists are able to notice small deviations in the EKG during a normal stress test that can indicate previous MI and/or Ischemia.
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right, but they can't tell you if you have predisposition to some sort of heart malady can they?


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it is just absolutely insane for one to suggest that a stress test is pointless
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I think you may need to go back and read my post dude. I didn't say stress tests were pointless in general, and most certainly not for people with a history of heart problems. If you think that's what I was implying you need to go back to grade school and take some remedial phonix lessons. A stress test is POINTLESS for people who don't have a history of heart problems but are trying to determine if they are at risk. This statement is 100% factual and if you say otherwise I am officially done talking to you because you're an idiot. I'll review my earlier post to see if there was some way my statement could be construed as suggesting what you apparently thought it was, if so I apologize.


There are certain patients who have OTHER underlying health problems that make them high risk for stress test complications. These patients will more than likely go straight to the heart cath floor. For the majority of us however a nuclear stress test is the least invasive, and most informative test one can have, and is usually a great starting point to determine if any further treatment is needed.
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I mean Jesus, even a CT of the heart will show the actual calcium deposits within the coronary arteries!
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CT scans are not even close to being as accurate on picking plaque up as a cath is......"BUT", it is certainly less invasive and may not be a bad idea for someone to do once they hit over 30 years old just to see where they stand on buildup. I have not had a CT but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that those aren't flippantly perscribed either. I've also read that you want to have as little of them as possible in your lifetime because they're finding out now that they "can" do alot of damage to certain DNA structures. I tried to get a cardiac MRI........at the cleveland clinic by the way, so no "stix" here...:rolleyes:....anyway, those you don't get either unless you've exhausted all other tests. YOu just don't get these tests unless you have prior heart problems. So i'm not sure why you decided to chime in here when you clearly weren't "clear" on what it was you thought I was saying. And to be honest, if you don't have a heart problem yourself.....I really need you to put the keyboard down and take a walk around the block till the urge subsides. I've seen enough myself and read enough myself now to understand FULLY how the medical field works.....it's personal experience/frustration, so I can't be bullshitted. I'm not claiming I know everything about cardiac dysfunctions....but I know alot.

So again, in conclusion.......if you're someone just trying to ascertain whether you have some predisposition to heart disease or to see if you have plaque buildup, doing a stress EKG is facking pointless, end of discussion. The only thing you can do is do your best to eliminate inflammation in your body. And if you're going to argue with me on inflammation and it's effects in the body, go ahead....but I refer you to Dr. Ray Kurzweil, a family friend. I'll take the word of an MIT professor who's dealing with his own predispositions to heart disease and has investigated all the absolute cutting edge research on the subject. Not just "read about it", but actually traveled aroudn the world to talk to the worlds leading researchers on heart disease. I'll take the word of a man like that over anyone posting here at elitefitness, no disrespect to the people here........but he's in another ballpark when it comes to this subject.
 
Good morning Brosephs. I'm still here and want to thank everyone once again for the kind words.

I'm enjoying the discussion and learning alot from it as our many others I hope. Lets remember to try and keep it clean and not insulting fellas.

What happens to all the oil we inject into out muscles????
 
Thank God you're still with us bro....

Your girlfriend crawling back into the car to help you...amazing...
 
redsamurai:

I meant not to belittle what you have been through. I respect the fact that you have your own opinions and beliefs based on personal experience. However, please do not present your opinions in a way that some may misconstrue them as factual information, just because "Dr. so and so told me so." Fell free to post as many opinions as you wish. I will continue to believe what is taught is medical school, and I will only post factual information which I can back up with well respected literature.

It will serve no purpose to argue facts vs. opinions. So to those who view this thread and wonder what the facts are, I invite you to do your own research on these topics using respected medical literature such as medical journals, medical encyclopedias, and text books. Be wary of personal opinions and biased information passed on via word of mouth, mens health magazines, and wikipedia however.
 
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redsamurai:

Be wary of personal opinions and biased information passed on via word of mouth, mens health magazines, and wikipedia however.
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nice passive aggressive comment there.......you must be a first year. I'm very sure there are alot of people with heart problems who consult mens health and wiki...........bush league dude. And since I now know you indeed do not have any sort of heart history I find anything further you have to say of no consequence. I've spoken with the head of cardiology at the cleveland clinic, nothing you're going to say is of any consequence in the slightest. Your perspective changes when you incure these health problems personally........so a noobie in med school means nothing. Peace.
 
red, you are out of line. heavyduty was not agresive or even rude to you. I see nothing wrong with looking at textbook facts vrs word of mouth. you have your oppinion, and we respectfully dissagree.
 
on another note, ive had bad cholesterol my entire life, even as a young teen. it wasn't untell I started taking supliments like fish oil,garlic,policosanol,flaxseed,and low dose asprin. that I had normal cholesterol levels for the first time in my life.

I got a small craft container that has many small chambers, like a rubermade type plastic one, even a tackle box type will work. I set up my supliments for the week and take them everyday. its worth trying and everything is available at walmart.
 
mr.nitro said:
red, you are out of line. heavyduty was not agresive or even rude to you. I see nothing wrong with looking at textbook facts vrs word of mouth. you have your oppinion, and we respectfully dissagree.
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I appreciate your support. I am done with "red". I have sent him a personal PM, so he is well aware of my thoughts. The rest of you are free to make your own educated determinations as to what the reality of these facts are. I personally have nothing to prove here with regards to my level of education. All one must do is read my posts, and I am fully confident it will not be questioned.
 
79steeler said:
Bro's I will be 41 in august.

My veins were blocked due to a build up of plaque they said, not a piece of plaque that broke loose and lodged in my heart. A build up of plaque likely occured over a long period of time.

My heart surgeon said that a 40 year old who smoked, drank, and ate fast food all his life should not have the level of blockage that I have.

I told him that I did some test, running it at 500mg for periods of 12 weeks at times, he did not seem too concerned by my statement. I did not tell him that I did other steroids. I will discuss further with my heart surgeon my future steriod usage.

I think this is a good discussion and would like to hear other opinions as well.

What happens to all the oil that we are injection into our systems?
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hey bro glad your ok! keep us posted on your talks with your surgeon...very interesting
 
This is why syncope (passing out) is taken seriously. I get tired of people getting pissed off because I want to admit them for passing out. If you're 20 years old and everything's ok with your workup, then no, you don't need admission. If you're >35 years of age, then unless the stars are in alignment and I find a reason that you passed out (dehydration, psychogenic, etc.), then the patient is either admitted for telemetry and further workup or they sign out AMA (against medical advice).

Regarding AAS contributing to this, I'm sure it probably helped develop your stenosis, but it's not the only cause. Three cycles is hardly enough to cause an 80% stenosis. I'm betting you have a genetic condition where your triglycerides are high and your HDL is low.

Out of curiosity, what were your lipid numbers?

Everyone should have routine lipids and blood pressure screenings from time to time.
 
than your diet wasn't good. Sorry. Nobody has high cholesterol "just because". You may have a hereditary tendency to not process high cholesterol foods the same way someone else does........but if you're not taking in cholesterol in the first place, it's impossible to have high cholesterol. The supplements you're taking just mask your dietary misalignment. I haven't yet completely got my diet in check yet either, it's a work in progress........but my cholesterol levels have dropped alot and I don't take ANY supplements whatsoever anymore. Not even multivitamins, they give me arrythmia's. With the amount of "green" shit I eat now, it's not necessary. There is such a thing as "too much" supplementation. In any case the body would much rather get it's nutrients from raw food than from pills..........not exactly sure why that is, maybe somebody knows.



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on another note, ive had bad cholesterol my entire life, even as a young teen. it wasn't untell I started taking supliments like fish oil,garlic,policosanol,flaxseed,and low dose asprin. that I had normal cholesterol levels for the first time in my life.

I got a small craft container that has many small chambers, like a rubermade type plastic one, even a tackle box type will work. I set up my supliments for the week and take them everyday. its worth trying and everything is available at walmart.
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Shoe sorry to hear that, but i'm all for the dangers of steroids... right now I am passing more blood than urine because of Tren... This I know for a fact... its dangerous drugs.... anything is possbiel
 
redsamurai said:
than your diet wasn't good. Sorry. Nobody has high cholesterol "just because". You may have a hereditary tendency to not process high cholesterol foods the same way someone else does........but if you're not taking in cholesterol in the first place, it's impossible to have high cholesterol. The supplements you're taking just mask your dietary misalignment. I haven't yet completely got my diet in check yet either, it's a work in progress........but my cholesterol levels have dropped alot and I don't take ANY supplements whatsoever anymore. Not even multivitamins, they give me arrythmia's. With the amount of "green" shit I eat now, it's not necessary. There is such a thing as "too much" supplementation. In any case the body would much rather get it's nutrients from raw food than from pills..........not exactly sure why that is, maybe somebody knows.
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id rather die than become a vegitarian, if thats what your infering
 
btw, ive had both a nucular scan and echo. during the echo they took many snapshots to check for inflamatinon. any differences in measurements will show this.they can view it on screen and measure it like a cad drawing. everything came back good. doctor even stated he was happy with the rate at which my pulse increaced on the stress test.
 
Shit that's scary, glad you're okay now. Did you have any symptoms at all leading up to passing out?

Truck looks like it held up pretty well, at least well enough to save your asses. What is that, a Trailblazer/Envoy? Truck safety has really improved a lot in the past decade.
 
My total cholesterol was 203, slightly above where the docs like to see it. My HDL number was lower than my LDL, but I have to get those exact numbers from the hospital. The docs did state that my lipids, rbc, and hemoglobin were'nt all that bad. The highest my total cholesterol has ever been was 227 several years ago. Please remember that these numbers were taken in the middle of a cycle. I don't feel like they are that bad for on cycle numbers.
 
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I didn't give up meat entirely, if that's what you think......but I did seriously curb my consumption. Fish I still eat alot of. The only meat I eat is steak, which can be cooked rare.....no chicken or beef. It's your call........not sure what your heart problem was, but I've gotten a small glimpse of "death", and even giving up meat entirely (which I haven't done) is a small price to pay. I actually enjoy eating meat now more because I eat it so sparingly......it really tastes better now. But my main staple of protein are vegetable proteins now.......and my energy is better than it ever was, at least since I was a little kid. I really thought that I was just going to have to live with being weaker in the gym, didn't happen. In fact the opposite is starting to become apparent. I've dropped fat like madman while maintaining all my strength. I'm still not completely back to where I was completely.....but it seems to be creeping back. The only thing holding me back is my heart right now.
 
guys, this dude is a nuclear medicine "technologist"......not shitting on that field, but he personally is trying to come off like a doctor. Dude, you were trying to compare educational background with me..........well I have an ME degree, and you're in night school. That doesn't make me any better than anyone else.....heck, I'm not even in the field anymore. But please dude........I mean talk about an ego. Fucking pathetic. And try googling arythmia's you dolt. This is a prime example of you can technically train a monkey to do some impressive things, but in then end it's still a monkey. Fuck sake.
















heavydutyhit said:
redsamurai:

I meant not to belittle what you have been through. I respect the fact that you have your own opinions and beliefs based on personal experience. However, please do not present your opinions in a way that some may misconstrue them as factual information, just because "Dr. so and so told me so." Fell free to post as many opinions as you wish. I will continue to believe what is taught is medical school, and I will only post factual information which I can back up with well respected literature.

It will serve no purpose to argue facts vs. opinions. So to those who view this thread and wonder what the facts are, I invite you to do your own research on these topics using respected medical literature such as medical journals, medical encyclopedias, and text books. Be wary of personal opinions and biased information passed on via word of mouth, mens health magazines, and wikipedia however.
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redsamurai said:
guys, this dude is a nuclear medicine "technologist"......not shitting on that field, but he personally is trying to come off like a doctor. Dude, you were trying to compare educational background with me..........well I have an ME degree, and you're in night school. That doesn't make me any better than anyone else.....heck, I'm not even in the field anymore. But please dude........I mean talk about an ego. Fucking pathetic. And try googling arythmia's you dolt. This is a prime example of you can technically train a monkey to do some impressive things, but in then end it's still a monkey. Fuck sake.
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Ok. AGAIN...., let me say...., believe what you will. You are the one acting like a child here. Try to grow up and act your age. So now allow me to PUBLICLY request that you cease sending me pms. If I am such a "dolt" as you put it, they stop wasting your time by SENDING ME PMS! They will not be answered. I tired to apologize and be nice, and you are still acting immature. I am not a member of Elite Fitness to argue my life away with immature keyboard gangsters who like to argue, and run their mouth instead of contribute something meaningful to the board based on proven medical fact as opposed to opinions.

In closing..., why don't you try using Google to look up "arythmia's" since you don't even know how to spell it correctly. For future reference, the correct spelling is arrhythmia.
 
heavydutyhit said:
In closing..., why don't you try using Google to look up "arythmia's" since you don't even know how to spell it correctly. For future reference, the correct spelling is arrhythmia.
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that's your ace huh? That's all you got.......I misspelled it. Ok bro, you got me. :rolleyes:



And when you go to work monday, ask the cardiologist that you work for what the relationship between Ischemia and arrhythmia's are. And just in case you were not aware, yes people can feel arrhythmia's. Which brings us back to "stress EKG's are pointless for healthy people just trying to ascertain their predisposition toward heart disease".


And no worries on future pm's. Just make sure you actually know what you're talking about and understand the discussion before you offer your opine's. Most of this probably would have been avoided if you would have just absorbed what you read properly.
 
Wow bro I wish for the best!!! Best Dr., best information, best recovery, best vision of your future!!!! may you heal and may God reveal to you wisdom about life and the condition of your help all the best glad this is not a post on a Memorial to you!!!!

As for redsamurai and heavydutyhit guys lets not be so selfish and insenative to what tthis post is about and who's it is!!!! There was never a question of what is your opinion and please argue it with another ef member on my post because shit I just escaped the grip of death and have a second chance at life so please wear everyone out by aguing on this post!!! Lets all be more senative to what our brother just went through...

Like Rodney King said "CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"

PEACE
 
Thank's sqatch for the kind words.

Just a little update, I was able to go to the gym today and ride the stationary bike for thirty minutes, I went down two levels from my normal and reduced my rpms and made sure my heart rate never went over 120. I've been walking in the mornings briskly and just wanted to go to the gym and do a little cardio. I felt good during and after. My doc said light cardio was ok and even encouraged. I promised myself and my family no weights for 7 more weeks when my breastbone is healed and I am cleared by my cardiologist.
 
79steeler said:
Thank's sqatch for the kind words.

Just a little update, I was able to go to the gym today and ride the stationary bike for thirty minutes, I went down two levels from my normal and reduced my rpms and made sure my heart rate never went over 120. I've been walking in the mornings briskly and just wanted to go to the gym and do a little cardio. I felt good during and after. My doc said light cardio was ok and even encouraged. I promised myself and my family no weights for 7 more weeks when my breastbone is healed and I am cleared by my cardiologist.
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I wish you the best in your life brother. You got it cheap. Most people is not that lucky. My dad had 2 heart attacks before having bypass surgery and both times got walking to the hospital.

What do you mean when you say that you had triple bypass surgery done but no permanent damage to the heart was done? That the bypass took care of the blood flow for the clogged arteries? I understand when you have the heart attack, no blood flows anymore to that section of the heart and that section dies letting your heart weaker.
 
steeler, look into cardiac rehab. You'll have so much more peace of mind to push yourself when your heart is being monitored while you excercise. Pushing yourself will be crucial. They've found that people who took it easy for a couple months after a heart attack were way more likely to die. But it seems like they don't think you did any damage to your heart, so nothing may have to be healed....I dunno.
 
The surgeon said that the part of my heart were the heart attack was located had a small bruise to it. He said as soon as he hooked the new vein into that area, my heart turned a very healthy pink color and said that my heart looked like the heart of an eighteen year old male. He said it was beating very strong and in his opinion no permanent damage was done. The bypass corrects the blood flow to the entire heart, when you have a triple bypass. Some people do suffer permanent damage, I was in very good physical condition and thats why he thinks I did not suffer any permanent damage. I was lucky in this area also.

Cardiac rehab starts in a week I think, but I've already been doing 20min. of cardio, walking briskly in the morning and a half hour on the stationary bike at the gym at night, with no problems.
 
excellent dude, that's fucking awesome........did you mention before what they said your arteries looked like? Was there any substantial buildup?




79steeler said:
The surgeon said that the part of my heart were the heart attack was located had a small bruise to it. He said as soon as he hooked the new vein into that area, my heart turned a very healthy pink color and said that my heart looked like the heart of an eighteen year old male. He said it was beating very strong and in his opinion no permanent damage was done. The bypass corrects the blood flow to the entire heart, when you have a triple bypass. Some people do suffer permanent damage, I was in very good physical condition and thats why he thinks I did not suffer any permanent damage. I was lucky in this area also.

Cardiac rehab starts in a week I think, but I've already been doing 20min. of cardio, walking briskly in the morning and a half hour on the stationary bike at the gym at night, with no problems.
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Ya bro they said that two of them were 70% blocked and one was 85% blocked. I don't know how the hell I never felt short of breath in the gym, or while doing cardio. I lift hard and heavy. Blows my mind that I didn't just drop dead in the gym squatting 315lbs. for reps. lol
 
You are one very fortunate guy. I wish you the fastest recovery and hope you never have an experience like that again.
 
79steeler said:
The surgeon said that the part of my heart were the heart attack was located had a small bruise to it. He said as soon as he hooked the new vein into that area, my heart turned a very healthy pink color and said that my heart looked like the heart of an eighteen year old male. He said it was beating very strong and in his opinion no permanent damage was done. The bypass corrects the blood flow to the entire heart, when you have a triple bypass. Some people do suffer permanent damage, I was in very good physical condition and thats why he thinks I did not suffer any permanent damage. I was lucky in this area also.

Cardiac rehab starts in a week I think, but I've already been doing 20min. of cardio, walking briskly in the morning and a half hour on the stationary bike at the gym at night, with no problems.
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That's awesome. If the bypass healed the affected area, then your heart is as new as it was when you were 18. Definitely being in great shape and very physically active saved your life. A dude with the same genetics and overweight, instead of 70-85% blockage gets 95% and just drops dead.

My dad never passed out, just like my grandpa. He was a farmer and about 4 times in his life, he had a very strong pain in his chest and towards his left shoulder; he used to go to sleep for about 12 hours and the pain was gone. Eventually my dad took him to a doctor in the city when he was already like 80 years old, and the doc told him he had like 4 heart attacks in his life. those were the good ol days.
 
god damn, your grandpa was a grown ass man........."meh, I'll just sleep this off"........wow, much respect.


DJ_UFO said:
That's awesome. If the bypass healed the affected area, then your heart is as new as it was when you were 18. Definitely being in great shape and very physically active saved your life. A dude with the same genetics and overweight, instead of 70-85% blockage gets 95% and just drops dead.

My dad never passed out, just like my grandpa. He was a farmer and about 4 times in his life, he had a very strong pain in his chest and towards his left shoulder; he used to go to sleep for about 12 hours and the pain was gone. Eventually my dad took him to a doctor in the city when he was already like 80 years old, and the doc told him he had like 4 heart attacks in his life. those were the good ol days.
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79steeler said:
Ya bro they said that two of them were 70% blocked and one was 85% blocked. I don't know how the hell I never felt short of breath in the gym, or while doing cardio. I lift hard and heavy. Blows my mind that I didn't just drop dead in the gym squatting 315lbs. for reps. lol
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So you had a fair amount of plaque buildup all over the place than right? Do they think that was caused by cholesterol? You might want to take a CRP test, C-reactive protein.........this is a blood test that is supposed to determine the level of inflammation in your body. I've yet to take it, but I'm going to ask my cardiologist about it monday. If you take it and rate high, than you're really going to have to take stock of your lifestyle....cause something you're doing is causing your body to become more acidic than alkaline. Inflammation thrives in an acidic environment. It's still new research pertaining to this.........but I would recommend reading as much as you can on it.
 
redsamurai said:
god damn, your grandpa was a grown ass man........."meh, I'll just sleep this off"........wow, much respect.
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thanks man. But more than a grown ass man, I think he was a lucky mofo. He didn't have other options though...in those days where towns were 50-100 people big, all farmers with one general practice doc and a hospital 100 miles away, no roads for trucks only for horses, and the wheat crops waiting for you every day, the only option was work hard, get the job well done, make a good living and pass your genes. People were at the bare hands of natural selection.
 
redsamurai said:
So you had a fair amount of plaque buildup all over the place than right? Do they think that was caused by cholesterol? You might want to take a CRP test, C-reactive protein.........this is a blood test that is supposed to determine the level of inflammation in your body. I've yet to take it, but I'm going to ask my cardiologist about it monday. If you take it and rate high, than you're really going to have to take stock of your lifestyle....cause something you're doing is causing your body to become more acidic than alkaline. Inflammation thrives in an acidic environment. It's still new research pertaining to this.........but I would recommend reading as much as you can on it.
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Build up seems to be just in the veins feeding my heart. CAT scan of my coratid arteries showed they are clear as can be. Also viens in legs were checked with a ultra sound and no build up or blockage there either. My cholesterol was only 203, my LDL or bad cholestero was slightly elevated, but nothing dramatic. I might just be predisposed to heart disease. I seem to build plaque only in the veins leading into my heart. Maybe some people build more plaque than others even though their cholesterol isn't that high?
 
79steeler said:
Build up seems to be just in the veins feeding my heart. CAT scan of my coratid arteries showed they are clear as can be. Also viens in legs were checked with a ultra sound and no build up or blockage there either. My cholesterol was only 203, my LDL or bad cholestero was slightly elevated, but nothing dramatic. I might just be predisposed to heart disease. I seem to build plaque only in the veins leading into my heart. Maybe some people build more plaque than others even though their cholesterol isn't that high?
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plaque involves alot more than just cholesterol bro. The heavy lifting we do causes the veins in our bodies to bulge which creates micro tears.......the body then, through the inflammatory response, calls in the troops to seal that tear. That little mound that forms over the tear is what can eventually break free and cause a blockage. The upside is our hearts are stronger than the average person AND we tend to have more NO in our blood streams so our veins are larger and more malleable to begin with.

I can't comment on why you have more plaque in the vicinity of your heart than in other places.......so definitely go with what doctors tell you but always be looking at what the new research is saying. If you do that CRP test, let us know the results. I go to see my cardiologist tommorrow for the results of my nuclear, I'm going to bring that inflammation test up with him. Its a simple blood test........they "may" have done it during my intitial hospital visit some time ago, I'll check on that.

Just my personal opinion, and this is just my opinion I'm not a doctor....just somebody who's been forced to intensely study his own condition.........it's my opinion my lifestyle led to my problem. And since I've corrected it I feel a million times better. I did HORRIBLY on the beta blockers and ACE inhibitors they tried to put me on.........my body just said "this is fucked"........that's why I'm so bullish on diet and lifestyle changes instead of drugs that alleviate one thing but cause two or three other things that you then have to get another prescription for. IMO the drugs they want to put you on should be for the worst late stage patients who have no hope of recovering on their own. You're lucky in that they probably won't prescribe em to you because of how well your initial recovery was.
 
So in my case, why my grandpa doing heart attacks, my dad with 2 heart attacks and two bypass surgeries, what is the best way to check the condition of my arteries in the heart?? My cholesterol is ALWAYS high. I've never been overweight, my dad never was either, I watch my diet, not 100% healthy bu definitely a lot healthier than average Americans, however, my body makes too much cholesterol.

So what is the best way to accurately know the condition of the arteries?
 
hmmm, your first post........Hi Heavyduty.......no you're not a cardiologist, you're a button jockey. You inject people with cardiolight and then use a computer mouse to set the nuke machine on it's business. An honest living for sure, but you're not a cardiologist. In any case, much of my information actually comes from "REAL" cardiologists. I don't make any of this stuff up because I couldn't, I'm not a doctor and acknowledge that. I've actually had an appointment with one of the heads of the cleveland clinic cardiology dept.........so whoever you are, i really don't care, but you're not trumping the cleveland clinic. When I speak of my reactions to the drugs I was given, I clearly state those are MY EXPERIENCES.......but I have learned that I am not alone in those experiences. What I am advising to the thread starter is to look at every angle possible and not to take one single persons advice, no matter who it is. Cardiologists, even at the cleveland clinic, are not infallible. This is sage advice no matter what and you can go ahead and suck me sideways. I am free to share my experiences and advise someone to research their own condition and come to their own conclusions about what's best for them. So....either give your own advice to the thread starter, which I don't begrudge you of..........or simply shut your own fucking piehole because you're of absolutely no use. The point of this thread, as i was reading him, was to bounce his condition off of others here because there's more than one person who's had heart problems here.


billdobaggins said:
Red Samurai, please shut up. I am a cardiologist and you are making stuff up and you are completely wrong

Original poster, I made a lengthy post about why you should never do steroids again and why. Some how it got nuked. If you want to ask me a question as I am knowledgeable on everything that just happened to you. Just pm me
I can explain it all. I just dont want to retype what I just lost

But I explained what happened, genetics, medications, shame the software bumped it off. But if you have questions I can answer it
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redsamurai said:
I did HORRIBLY on the beta blockers and ACE inhibitors they tried to put me on.........my body just said "this is fucked"........
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What problems did you have with those? Are you saying they weren't effective in controlling your BP, or was it side effects that bothered you?

I'm on a beta blocker, ACE inhibitor, and a statin drug, and seem to get the desired result from them.
 
wow, a beta AND and ACE? your natural blood pressure must be through the roof...lol.

My natural BP is low, always has been. The original beta they put me on, don't remember which one..starts with a C.......it wrecked havoc on my BP. My body would try to compensate all day long for how much it lowered my BP, so my heart would race from just getting up and walking to the kitchen. They said the elevated heart rate was "ok" because the heart wasn't beating "as hard" due to the beta's. As annoying as that was, it can't compare to what would happen at night. At nightime your BP naturally drops, add that with the beta and my BP was well under 100 on the top number....I bought a blood pressure cuff so I know this for a fact. I wish I would have bought it earlier becasue than I could have proved to my original cardiologist that this beta therapy was unacceptable, which my present cardiologist now admits. I couldn't get to sleep till 7am when my body just got so tired that it "HAD" to fall asleep. My leg would twitch all night long because of the compensatory adrenaline response to such a low BP, which is to elevate the heart rate. ANd then there were the aryhtmia's....:rolleyes:

The worst part was the psychological damage from them. There were times when I did fall asleep but popped up STRAIGHT UP out of bed in the middle of the night for no apparent reason. The panic and anxiety that this would produce was ridiculous. I went to bed for 9 months giving serious thought to whether I would wake up or not. And of course for 9 months they told me it was all in my head and to take some xanax or some other benzo. The xanax's are alright, although if I take them in too many successive nights.......I started to have panic attacks during the day. I took klonopin for a few days and had what I can only describe as the beginnings of a break from reality.......so I was done with those right quick too. Once I figured it was the heart meds that were fucking me up and I weaned off of em, I started to feel better. Certain things still lingered for a time, but now I can actually fall asleep at normal times again and while I still have some odd arryhthmia's from time to time, they're not as strong as they used to be and there's no "shooting pain" anymore.....just a wierd squeezing that makes me catch my breathe and then it's over whereas before when it happened my Heart rate would elevate for hours and it would feel like my BP would drop off a cliff. I would get that feeling like ice running up the back of my neck and blood draining from my face........no more since I got off that shit.

They were just misprescribed for someone who's natrual BP was always between 100-110 on average. They just just prescribe them with anyone who comes to them with a heart issue, without really first determing what exactly is wrong.


Mr. dB said:
What problems did you have with those? Are you saying they weren't effective in controlling your BP, or was it side effects that bothered you?

I'm on a beta blocker, ACE inhibitor, and a statin drug, and seem to get the desired result from them.
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I will be discussing future steroid use with both my surgeon and cardiologist during future appointments. I'm curious to know there level of knowledge on the subject and attitudes toward these hormones. I will post up and share as much as I can remember with all my good bro's here on EF.

By the way day 10 post op. and feeling great. Cardio again tonight on the stationary bike.
 
redsamurai said:
you're kidding yourself if you think AAS use had absolutely no part in it. Heart attacks are caused by inflamation. Your heart was healthy as can be because of your active lifestyle and AAS does help with that. But you get even the slightest bit of inflammation and that will happen. Gear contributed to it, but the biggest contributing factor is lifestyle. The genetics argument is horseshit, it's a way for the medical industry to just shrug their shoulders and put you on all sorts of drugs instead of telling you the hard truth. Unfortunately the typical BB diet is filled with heavy animal fats and proteins. We don't suffer the same heart problems because we're metabolizing alot of it. Sedentary people with the same diets would be kealing over. But it's just a matter of time, and add gear useage to it which does mess with your bad cholesterol....heavy lifting which expands the veins and causes the intitial ruptures....it's all a combination of stuff that leads to these calcium deposits that are what cause the blockages. You're lucky that you're in such good shape that they tell you no permanent heart damage has been done. My humble advice is to seriously curtail the future gear use, except for GH. And to completely overhaul your diet........get away from animal proteins. With all the toxins we're ingesting daily that we have no control over, adding meat proteins in such high amounts stretches our bodies resources to thin. Something eventually gives. You can't have ounces and ounces of undigesting meat sitting in your stomach and colon drawing precious bodily resources away from doing things "LIKE" clearing out calcified veins. You don't have to completely give up meat, far from it. But you have to seriously curb it. Our little whey protein powders are also a source of imflammation now from what I've read. This is new for me so I'm not 100% on this, but from what i've read recently they're finding out that these whey isolates are about as undigestable as a well done steak.....so they add the undigesting shit in our bodies which makes our bodies more acidic, because we're generating acids to aid in digestion.........a state which leads to inflammation. I've had my own heart problems bro, which has led me to study this in detail I would have never guessed I would have to at 31. But I'm glad I did because I've made changes to my life that will serve me well for a long time to come.

What an experience though, I can't imagine that........good to hear you made it through that. Peace.......and if you want to talk about all things "heart" related, give me a pm anytime.
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Not caused by inflamation but by a lack of oxygen to that part of the heart. if there is inflamation in, on or around the heart it is treated differently than an acute heart attack which is what he had.

genetics plays a big part in your medical history including heart disease. not sure where you are getting this insight from but I hate to say you are wrong on this. I have taken care of several patients young in fact who have had heart attacks at young ages. When you start to ask about their family History it becomes clear. Father had a heart attack at or near the same age as the patient the oler brother did, mom and dads parents under went cardiac procedure at or near the same age.


Calcifications and plaque build up in the heart are two different things. A heart attack more than not is caused by plaque build up in the arteries surrounding the heart. If a vein or artery ruptures then it is considered a ruptured aneurysm which is a whole other problem.


I took care of a 24 year old guy that came into my ER with chest pain. Plays sports, very active but had a huge heart attack. he was sent off to the cath lab and walked out 2 days later. he was a lucky SOB.
 
Glad to see you made it out ok man. your lucky someone was there that knew what they were doing as soon s it happened.
 
79steeler said:
Thank you to all the bro's that have responded to this thread with kind words.

Please guy's go have a stress test of your heart done. This will help determine if you have any hidden or underlying problems. If I would have done this I would probably not had a heart attack and wrecked my car and almost killed my girl and possible others. I still would have had to have the surgery, just under better conditions.
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Or they may have found somethng and been able to to the angioplasty to unblock the arteries. You had triple vessel disease it sounds like that a simple stent could not have fixed. Sounds genetic to me.
 
redsamurai said:
a stress test will just show previous heart attacks or some sort of problem with the electrical pahtways in the heart. For preventing heart attacks, having a catheterization gives you an idea of the plaque buildup in the arteries leading to your heart. You had this, right bro? what was your doctors conclusion?
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Sorry I keep replying to your threads it is nothng personal. A stress test can show if thier are plumbing problems not electrical problems. The heart is stressed either with exercise or a drug that increases the HR. With this if there are EKG changes such as something called ST elevation that chances are you will have some kind of blockage. Then you will need a cath for a defenitive conclusion of what is really going on. EKGs and Stress test are not near as accurate as a heart cath you are right.
 
statdoc said:
This is why syncope (passing out) is taken seriously. I get tired of people getting pissed off because I want to admit them for passing out. If you're 20 years old and everything's ok with your workup, then no, you don't need admission. If you're >35 years of age, then unless the stars are in alignment and I find a reason that you passed out (dehydration, psychogenic, etc.), then the patient is either admitted for telemetry and further workup or they sign out AMA (against medical advice).

Regarding AAS contributing to this, I'm sure it probably helped develop your stenosis, but it's not the only cause. Three cycles is hardly enough to cause an 80% stenosis. I'm betting you have a genetic condition where your triglycerides are high and your HDL is low.

Out of curiosity, what were your lipid numbers?

Everyone should have routine lipids and blood pressure screenings from time to time.
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A lot of hospitalists at our facility get angry when our MDs admit a 35 year old male with syncope. Its funny to watch the ER docs argue with the guys.
 
redsamurai said:
that's your ace huh? That's all you got.......I misspelled it. Ok bro, you got me. :rolleyes:



And when you go to work monday, ask the cardiologist that you work for what the relationship between Ischemia and arrhythmia's are. And just in case you were not aware, yes people can feel arrhythmia's. Which brings us back to "stress EKG's are pointless for healthy people just trying to ascertain their predisposition toward heart disease".


And no worries on future pm's. Just make sure you actually know what you're talking about and understand the discussion before you offer your opine's. Most of this probably would have been avoided if you would have just absorbed what you read properly.
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yes a heart attack can cause arrhythmias. Do you know why this is?
 
79steeler said:
The surgeon said that the part of my heart were the heart attack was located had a small bruise to it. He said as soon as he hooked the new vein into that area, my heart turned a very healthy pink color and said that my heart looked like the heart of an eighteen year old male. He said it was beating very strong and in his opinion no permanent damage was done. The bypass corrects the blood flow to the entire heart, when you have a triple bypass. Some people do suffer permanent damage, I was in very good physical condition and thats why he thinks I did not suffer any permanent damage. I was lucky in this area also.

Cardiac rehab starts in a week I think, but I've already been doing 20min. of cardio, walking briskly in the morning and a half hour on the stationary bike at the gym at night, with no problems.
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You'll recover in no time. the old guys in rehab will be fun. get to talking to them while your on the bike or treadmill.
 
redsamurai said:
plaque involves alot more than just cholesterol bro. The heavy lifting we do causes the veins in our bodies to bulge which creates micro tears.......the body then, through the inflammatory response, calls in the troops to seal that tear. That little mound that forms over the tear is what can eventually break free and cause a blockage. The upside is our hearts are stronger than the average person AND we tend to have more NO in our blood streams so our veins are larger and more malleable to begin with.

I can't comment on why you have more plaque in the vicinity of your heart than in other places.......so definitely go with what doctors tell you but always be looking at what the new research is saying. If you do that CRP test, let us know the results. I go to see my cardiologist tommorrow for the results of my nuclear, I'm going to bring that inflammation test up with him. Its a simple blood test........they "may" have done it during my intitial hospital visit some time ago, I'll check on that.

Just my personal opinion, and this is just my opinion I'm not a doctor....just somebody who's been forced to intensely study his own condition.........it's my opinion my lifestyle led to my problem. And since I've corrected it I feel a million times better. I did HORRIBLY on the beta blockers and ACE inhibitors they tried to put me on.........my body just said "this is fucked"........that's why I'm so bullish on diet and lifestyle changes instead of drugs that alleviate one thing but cause two or three other things that you then have to get another prescription for. IMO the drugs they want to put you on should be for the worst late stage patients who have no hope of recovering on their own. You're lucky in that they probably won't prescribe em to you because of how well your initial recovery was.
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A life style change is always better than putting drugs in yur body. I could not agree more.
 
redsamurai said:
hmmm, your first post........Hi Heavyduty.......no you're not a cardiologist, you're a button jockey. You inject people with cardiolight and then use a computer mouse to set the nuke machine on it's business. An honest living for sure, but you're not a cardiologist. In any case, much of my information actually comes from "REAL" cardiologists. I don't make any of this stuff up because I couldn't, I'm not a doctor and acknowledge that. I've actually had an appointment with one of the heads of the cleveland clinic cardiology dept.........so whoever you are, i really don't care, but you're not trumping the cleveland clinic. When I speak of my reactions to the drugs I was given, I clearly state those are MY EXPERIENCES.......but I have learned that I am not alone in those experiences. What I am advising to the thread starter is to look at every angle possible and not to take one single persons advice, no matter who it is. Cardiologists, even at the cleveland clinic, are not infallible. This is sage advice no matter what and you can go ahead and suck me sideways. I am free to share my experiences and advise someone to research their own condition and come to their own conclusions about what's best for them. So....either give your own advice to the thread starter, which I don't begrudge you of..........or simply shut your own fucking piehole because you're of absolutely no use. The point of this thread, as i was reading him, was to bounce his condition off of others here because there's more than one person who's had heart problems here.
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Well I guess I must be Pat_McCrotch as well. I must be behind every single person on here that adds to and/or disagrees with your vastly superior knowledge! Excellent deductive reasoning skills! Sorry bro. Not me. Maybe one of the others that are disagreeing with you. But since you brought my name back into it....,

Again with the spelling and incorrect terminology. I point this out because I don't understand how you can expect people to buy what you are selling here when you can't even spell basic terms like arrhythmia and/or Cardiolite? Anyone as educated on this subject as you claim to be would be able to spell these words! And "nuke machine"? Are you serious? PLEASE KEEP ME OUT OF YOUR BULLSHIT! I HAVE BEEN DONE WITH YOU! For Christ's sake! GET OVER IT!
 
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billdobaggins said:
EDIT, just reread Mr dB's post, I scanned across and said, well that guy's on the right meds. Except for a baby 81mg aspirin.
Its actually quite rare to see someone on those 4 meds have a heart attack. Once we get them stabilized on those 4 drugs, of course statins can cause pains and ace inhibitors cause cough so people are non-compliant.
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I do take an aspirin every day.

Does it have to be a baby Aspirin? I usually just take a regular one.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but --

In April 2004 I thought I was having a heart attack. Tightness in the chest, pain shooting from my left chest up under the clavicle and up into my neck and down the left arm, surface numbness extending form left chest down the arm and up the neck and left jaw, and ANXIETY. This was preceded by weeks of fatigue.

So I went to the ER. When you walk into an ER and say the words "chest pain" they don't waste any time. The guys with traumatic amputations and impalements can wait in chairs while I go to the head of the line. :) They had me in a chair taking my vitals before I could even pull out my insurance card. My BP was 190-something over 120-something.

So they herded me into a room, plopped me on a bed, attached monitors and a BP cuff on a 15-minute timer, drew blood, took an X-ray, shot me with some sublingual nitroglycerine, put an IV port on my forearm, and put me on something to bring down my BP.

The chest film and blood enzymes were both good, though, so while no one ever told me what DID happen to me, they said it wasn't an MI. After being warehoused for most of the day, I was finally admitted at about 9:00 PM. At some point in the afternoon my BP spiked again and my chest tightened, and someone ran in and shot me with another sublingual nitro, at which point my eyes completely dried up 'til my eyelids felt like coarse sandpaper. And no one would give me eyedrops, apparently they were contraindicated?

6:30 the next morning I was awakened so they could draw more blood, then wheeled downstairs for a stress test. Apparently it was okay too. From mid-morning 'til late afternoon I was warehoused again, no activity, no consultation, just silence. Finally the head Indian came in, asked me how good my prescription plan was, wrote a scrip for the drugs mentioned in my previous post, had a nurse remove the IV port, and unceremoniously sent me home.

When I checked out my BP was around 150/80 I think. On drugs it's around 120/70. If I go off the drugs (I've done it twice, just for a week to see...), my BP goes back to 150/80. And that's where I've been since 2004.
 
Thank's billdobaggins for all your insight into this issue. I found it interesting, and appreciate the time it took to answer.

I also want to thank again everyone for all the kind words.

I'm doing very well and am know doing thirty minutes of cardio everyday. It's been 10 days since my surgery and I have been feeling good and healing nicely. Oh and I had sex with my girlfriend a couple times, slow and easy of course, but it's certainly another reason to go on living. Haha.

I think I'm doing a little more than they are asking for at this point in terms of exercise, but I'm sure that most of the literature printed is for older and not quite so physically active people.

I see my surgeon again on the 4th of May, and my cardiologist not long after that. I will report back.
 
Forgot to mention that I had a considerable loss of muscle strength on the left, particularly chest and shoulder, for about a month following that scare.
 
Inflammation doesnt cause the heartattack, it causes the plaque that leads to it. Sorry if my previous posts didn't make that clear. Without the plaque buildup you don't have coronary artery disease. So if you control inflammation you control the plaque buildup, no heart attack.......or at the very least a greatly reduced risk. I will retract for the moment my stance on genetics, I do beleive that the medical industry WAY overuses it so they can prescribe the "template therapies" they've come up with instead of looking at individual cases. The appropriate lifestyle, from what i've read.....tends to negate genetic predispositions.

On the point of plaque, can it develop without the inflammatory response? From what I was told, no......but if you know otherwise I welcome the conversation. See you're someone I can talk with.........not the little twit needledick who tried to pass himself off as a harvard med student.



Pat_McCrotch said:
Not caused by inflamation but by a lack of oxygen to that part of the heart. if there is inflamation in, on or around the heart it is treated differently than an acute heart attack which is what he had.

genetics plays a big part in your medical history including heart disease. not sure where you are getting this insight from but I hate to say you are wrong on this. I have taken care of several patients young in fact who have had heart attacks at young ages. When you start to ask about their family History it becomes clear. Father had a heart attack at or near the same age as the patient the oler brother did, mom and dads parents under went cardiac procedure at or near the same age.


Calcifications and plaque build up in the heart are two different things. A heart attack more than not is caused by plaque build up in the arteries surrounding the heart. If a vein or artery ruptures then it is considered a ruptured aneurysm which is a whole other problem.


I took care of a 24 year old guy that came into my ER with chest pain. Plays sports, very active but had a huge heart attack. he was sent off to the cath lab and walked out 2 days later. he was a lucky SOB.
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Pat_McCrotch said:
yes a heart attack can cause arrhythmias. Do you know why this is?
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that statement pertained to a pm conversation I had with the aforementioned needledick. It was a rhetorical question because he seemed to not understand the relationship between ischemia and arryhthmia's.
 
I know you're not Pat, you see he's adding something of value to the discussion. You just said "shut up I'm a doctor", than "shut up I'm in med school", than.........well than nothing. I looked at your profile and saw you're a nuclear technologist, the same person who performed the that very same test on me last week. I think you have a complex about your position in life, might want to think about that.

And second bro, I'm not selling anything. If anyone has any sort of personal material stake in this debate it's you "IF" you're really in med school. And wtf is with the obsession with the spelling? Are you a woman? No dude I've ever run across would get his nylons running up his vulva like you do over such innocuous shit. Did you pull your uterus or something? Ice it or something but stfu about it. Jesus, I wrote cardiolight instead of "cardiolite".....OMFG!!.....:rolleyes: OCD bro, google it.




heavydutyhit said:
Well I guess I must be Pat_McCrotch as well. I must be behind every single person on here that adds to and/or disagrees with your vastly superior knowledge! Excellent deductive reasoning skills! Sorry bro. Not me. Maybe one of the others that are disagreeing with you. But since you brought my name back into it....,

Again with the spelling and incorrect terminology. I point this out because I don't understand how you can expect people to buy what you are selling here when you can't even spell basic terms like arrhythmia and/or Cardiolite? Anyone as educated on this subject as you claim to be would be able to spell these words! And "nuke machine"? Are you serious? PLEASE KEEP ME OUT OF YOUR BULLSHIT! I HAVE BEEN DONE WITH YOU! For Christ's sake! GET OVER IT!
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Mr. dB said:
Forgot to mention that I had a considerable loss of muscle strength on the left, particularly chest and shoulder, for about a month following that scare.
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so they're telling you you didn't have a heart attack? wtf did you have then, or do they not really know??
 
This is such great info bro's thank's again. I can only hope that this helps others get the tests done, so no other good bro's have to go through what I did.
 
billdobaggins said:
red again sorry for my very first rude post. You seem to know more than the average person and studied this and I think thats great

Imflammation absolutely causes plaque growth. I had a great powerpoint from years ago illustrating the effects of imflammation on the growth of plaques, as well as smoked tobacco, high triglycerides and high ldl cholesterol particles.
They all look pretty much the same.
Imflammation also not only plays a key role in causing the plaques, it also plays a key role in bursting the plaques. Which plaque rupture is what causes heart attacks. So alot of factors come together

But, genetics is huge particularly if you have a same sex parent whose had a heart attack before age 65 for a woman and age 55 for a man. If they are older, we say meh, doesnt count, although it kinda does but not as a significant risk factor like hypertension, diabetes, etc...
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So is it known "Exactly" why genetics plays a role? Let me clarify, what is the exact "deficiency" or whatnot that causes people to be susceptible to heart attacks if their parents were? Is it some lack of ability to deal with these plaque buildups? Is it a predisposition to a highly acidic body environment that promotes inflammation? In all my studying on this I've only come across the genetics argument "as is"....meaning they just say "genetics", not HOW your genetics suck.

I still think genetic predispositions can be beaten "IF" you're willing to accept that the body wasn't made to metabolize certain dietary habits that have become STAPLE in the west. The asians for example I don't beleive suffer less from heart attacks because of their genetics........but if they started eating and consuming what we here in the west do, it might take a few generations....but they'd be right here where we are. The japanese have a very high rate of stomach cancer......that's not genetic, that's because of their high salt seafood diets. I'm just not 100% sold on the genetics argument. Yes, I understand "predisposition", but I don't like how the medical industry was completely willing for so many years to ignore alot of crucial environmental factors in alot of our disease's yet be completely happy to prescribe us drugs that I still say, yes it's my "opinion", but I still say those drugs are real bad for us........but it's a sliding scale. Meaning that the alternatives under our current conditions are worse, so the drugs come out looking like champs. At the very least the drugs are very unethically prescribed. A guy who's had a mild heart attack and his heart has bounced back nearly 100% within days........he probably doesn't need the drug cocktail they're going to be pushing on him. What has to first and foremost be determined is his environmental factors. 79steeler has told us hid diet was spot on, I take him at his word on that.......but let's be perfectly honest, most guys that have had heart problems later acknowledge that they were doing too much in one area or another. I really beleive the acidic environment that western diets promote is a breeding ground for inflammation which leads to all sorts of maladies in the body, not just plaque buildup. The undigestable food we all have rotting in our guts at any given time is a primer for acid, so is coffee..unfortunately cause I used to LOVE THE SHIT out of coffee. I had to give it up though cause even small amoutns of caffeine now give me palpitations. Cola's are another huge acid maker........I mean nothing by itself would be such a big deal, but in totality, when you take the meat..the coffee...the processed carbs and sugars......all that which the body has difficulty digesting which creates the acidic environments where inflammation flourishes, it all works against us.

The other problem I have with the beta's and ACE's is that if you take them long enough, you can never come off them. This I was told straight up by my cardiologists. I'll give the doctor from the cleveland clinic credit, she was straight up about this with me and didn't want me on them for too long. My original cardiologist, who's dad is a big shot at the clinic......said nary a word to me about this. That's kind of a bid deal and that "failure to mention" this and a few other things is why I hold some distrust of people in this field now. I read at the mayon clinic that people who have been on em long enough and tried to come off actually had heart attacks or some other form of heart failure becuase the drugs took over the rythm functions so much that once the drug was stopped or attempted to wean off.......it caused an MI or cardiomyopathy and in some cases the patients died. I don't like drugs that cause you to become hooked on them.
 
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