have you tried No 17,,i tried it I am really impressed..so much that I would like to work with you guys to get this out to men that really need it..this thing made me feel young again..i fee like im 20 again..lost some fat and am getting solid,,just would like to hear your advise on how to get my foot in the door because I want in ,,any way I can ,,I see guys in the jim that llook worst than thay did last year ,,messing around with juice or pro hormones ,,im not against them ,,they are just not for every one ,,and they must know what they are doing..i feel like I have a secret with No 217 but I don't have enough ,I only have one more bottle and I am waiting because its my last one..im sure if these guys started taking NO 17 they would thank me for the rest of there life..next time I will buy more than 2 bottles..any way thanks for listening..