Heart attack, Car accident, and triple bypass surgery bro's

[redsamurai]

Ya bro they said that two of them were 70% blocked and one was 85% blocked. I don't know how the hell I never felt short of breath in the gym, or while doing cardio. I lift hard and heavy. Blows my mind that I didn't just drop dead in the gym squatting 315lbs. for reps. lol

So you had a fair amount of plaque buildup all over the place than right? Do they think that was caused by cholesterol? You might want to take a CRP test, C-reactive protein.........this is a blood test that is supposed to determine the level of inflammation in your body. I've yet to take it, but I'm going to ask my cardiologist about it monday. If you take it and rate high, than you're really going to have to take stock of your lifestyle....cause something you're doing is causing your body to become more acidic than alkaline. Inflammation thrives in an acidic environment. It's still new research pertaining to this.........but I would recommend reading as much as you can on it.

 

[DJ_UFO]

god damn, your grandpa was a grown ass man........."meh, I'll just sleep this off"........wow, much respect.

thanks man. But more than a grown ass man, I think he was a lucky mofo. He didn't have other options though...in those days where towns were 50-100 people big, all farmers with one general practice doc and a hospital 100 miles away, no roads for trucks only for horses, and the wheat crops waiting for you every day, the only option was work hard, get the job well done, make a good living and pass your genes. People were at the bare hands of natural selection.

 

[79steeler]

So you had a fair amount of plaque buildup all over the place than right? Do they think that was caused by cholesterol? You might want to take a CRP test, C-reactive protein.........this is a blood test that is supposed to determine the level of inflammation in your body. I've yet to take it, but I'm going to ask my cardiologist about it monday. If you take it and rate high, than you're really going to have to take stock of your lifestyle....cause something you're doing is causing your body to become more acidic than alkaline. Inflammation thrives in an acidic environment. It's still new research pertaining to this.........but I would recommend reading as much as you can on it.

Build up seems to be just in the veins feeding my heart. CAT scan of my coratid arteries showed they are clear as can be. Also viens in legs were checked with a ultra sound and no build up or blockage there either. My cholesterol was only 203, my LDL or bad cholestero was slightly elevated, but nothing dramatic. I might just be predisposed to heart disease. I seem to build plaque only in the veins leading into my heart. Maybe some people build more plaque than others even though their cholesterol isn't that high?

 

[redsamurai]

Build up seems to be just in the veins feeding my heart. CAT scan of my coratid arteries showed they are clear as can be. Also viens in legs were checked with a ultra sound and no build up or blockage there either. My cholesterol was only 203, my LDL or bad cholestero was slightly elevated, but nothing dramatic. I might just be predisposed to heart disease. I seem to build plaque only in the veins leading into my heart. Maybe some people build more plaque than others even though their cholesterol isn't that high?

plaque involves alot more than just cholesterol bro. The heavy lifting we do causes the veins in our bodies to bulge which creates micro tears.......the body then, through the inflammatory response, calls in the troops to seal that tear. That little mound that forms over the tear is what can eventually break free and cause a blockage. The upside is our hearts are stronger than the average person AND we tend to have more NO in our blood streams so our veins are larger and more malleable to begin with.

I can't comment on why you have more plaque in the vicinity of your heart than in other places.......so definitely go with what doctors tell you but always be looking at what the new research is saying. If you do that CRP test, let us know the results. I go to see my cardiologist tommorrow for the results of my nuclear, I'm going to bring that inflammation test up with him. Its a simple blood test........they "may" have done it during my intitial hospital visit some time ago, I'll check on that.

Just my personal opinion, and this is just my opinion I'm not a doctor....just somebody who's been forced to intensely study his own condition.........it's my opinion my lifestyle led to my problem. And since I've corrected it I feel a million times better. I did HORRIBLY on the beta blockers and ACE inhibitors they tried to put me on.........my body just said "this is fucked"........that's why I'm so bullish on diet and lifestyle changes instead of drugs that alleviate one thing but cause two or three other things that you then have to get another prescription for. IMO the drugs they want to put you on should be for the worst late stage patients who have no hope of recovering on their own. You're lucky in that they probably won't prescribe em to you because of how well your initial recovery was.

 

[DJ_UFO]

So in my case, why my grandpa doing heart attacks, my dad with 2 heart attacks and two bypass surgeries, what is the best way to check the condition of my arteries in the heart?? My cholesterol is ALWAYS high. I've never been overweight, my dad never was either, I watch my diet, not 100% healthy bu definitely a lot healthier than average Americans, however, my body makes too much cholesterol.

So what is the best way to accurately know the condition of the arteries?

 

[redsamurai]

hmmm, your first post........Hi Heavyduty.......no you're not a cardiologist, you're a button jockey. You inject people with cardiolight and then use a computer mouse to set the nuke machine on it's business. An honest living for sure, but you're not a cardiologist. In any case, much of my information actually comes from "REAL" cardiologists. I don't make any of this stuff up because I couldn't, I'm not a doctor and acknowledge that. I've actually had an appointment with one of the heads of the cleveland clinic cardiology dept.........so whoever you are, i really don't care, but you're not trumping the cleveland clinic. When I speak of my reactions to the drugs I was given, I clearly state those are MY EXPERIENCES.......but I have learned that I am not alone in those experiences. What I am advising to the thread starter is to look at every angle possible and not to take one single persons advice, no matter who it is. Cardiologists, even at the cleveland clinic, are not infallible. This is sage advice no matter what and you can go ahead and suck me sideways. I am free to share my experiences and advise someone to research their own condition and come to their own conclusions about what's best for them. So....either give your own advice to the thread starter, which I don't begrudge you of..........or simply shut your own fucking piehole because you're of absolutely no use. The point of this thread, as i was reading him, was to bounce his condition off of others here because there's more than one person who's had heart problems here.

Red Samurai, please shut up. I am a cardiologist and you are making stuff up and you are completely wrong

Original poster, I made a lengthy post about why you should never do steroids again and why. Some how it got nuked. If you want to ask me a question as I am knowledgeable on everything that just happened to you. Just pm me
I can explain it all. I just dont want to retype what I just lost

But I explained what happened, genetics, medications, shame the software bumped it off. But if you have questions I can answer it

 

[Mr. dB]

I did HORRIBLY on the beta blockers and ACE inhibitors they tried to put me on.........my body just said "this is fucked"........

What problems did you have with those? Are you saying they weren't effective in controlling your BP, or was it side effects that bothered you?

I'm on a beta blocker, ACE inhibitor, and a statin drug, and seem to get the desired result from them.

 

[redsamurai]

wow, a beta AND and ACE? your natural blood pressure must be through the roof...lol.

My natural BP is low, always has been. The original beta they put me on, don't remember which one..starts with a C.......it wrecked havoc on my BP. My body would try to compensate all day long for how much it lowered my BP, so my heart would race from just getting up and walking to the kitchen. They said the elevated heart rate was "ok" because the heart wasn't beating "as hard" due to the beta's. As annoying as that was, it can't compare to what would happen at night. At nightime your BP naturally drops, add that with the beta and my BP was well under 100 on the top number....I bought a blood pressure cuff so I know this for a fact. I wish I would have bought it earlier becasue than I could have proved to my original cardiologist that this beta therapy was unacceptable, which my present cardiologist now admits. I couldn't get to sleep till 7am when my body just got so tired that it "HAD" to fall asleep. My leg would twitch all night long because of the compensatory adrenaline response to such a low BP, which is to elevate the heart rate. ANd then there were the aryhtmia's....

The worst part was the psychological damage from them. There were times when I did fall asleep but popped up STRAIGHT UP out of bed in the middle of the night for no apparent reason. The panic and anxiety that this would produce was ridiculous. I went to bed for 9 months giving serious thought to whether I would wake up or not. And of course for 9 months they told me it was all in my head and to take some xanax or some other benzo. The xanax's are alright, although if I take them in too many successive nights.......I started to have panic attacks during the day. I took klonopin for a few days and had what I can only describe as the beginnings of a break from reality.......so I was done with those right quick too. Once I figured it was the heart meds that were fucking me up and I weaned off of em, I started to feel better. Certain things still lingered for a time, but now I can actually fall asleep at normal times again and while I still have some odd arryhthmia's from time to time, they're not as strong as they used to be and there's no "shooting pain" anymore.....just a wierd squeezing that makes me catch my breathe and then it's over whereas before when it happened my Heart rate would elevate for hours and it would feel like my BP would drop off a cliff. I would get that feeling like ice running up the back of my neck and blood draining from my face........no more since I got off that shit.

They were just misprescribed for someone who's natrual BP was always between 100-110 on average. They just just prescribe them with anyone who comes to them with a heart issue, without really first determing what exactly is wrong.

What problems did you have with those? Are you saying they weren't effective in controlling your BP, or was it side effects that bothered you?

I'm on a beta blocker, ACE inhibitor, and a statin drug, and seem to get the desired result from them.

 

[79steeler]

I will be discussing future steroid use with both my surgeon and cardiologist during future appointments. I'm curious to know there level of knowledge on the subject and attitudes toward these hormones. I will post up and share as much as I can remember with all my good bro's here on EF.

By the way day 10 post op. and feeling great. Cardio again tonight on the stationary bike.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

you're kidding yourself if you think AAS use had absolutely no part in it. Heart attacks are caused by inflamation. Your heart was healthy as can be because of your active lifestyle and AAS does help with that. But you get even the slightest bit of inflammation and that will happen. Gear contributed to it, but the biggest contributing factor is lifestyle. The genetics argument is horseshit, it's a way for the medical industry to just shrug their shoulders and put you on all sorts of drugs instead of telling you the hard truth. Unfortunately the typical BB diet is filled with heavy animal fats and proteins. We don't suffer the same heart problems because we're metabolizing alot of it. Sedentary people with the same diets would be kealing over. But it's just a matter of time, and add gear useage to it which does mess with your bad cholesterol....heavy lifting which expands the veins and causes the intitial ruptures....it's all a combination of stuff that leads to these calcium deposits that are what cause the blockages. You're lucky that you're in such good shape that they tell you no permanent heart damage has been done. My humble advice is to seriously curtail the future gear use, except for GH. And to completely overhaul your diet........get away from animal proteins. With all the toxins we're ingesting daily that we have no control over, adding meat proteins in such high amounts stretches our bodies resources to thin. Something eventually gives. You can't have ounces and ounces of undigesting meat sitting in your stomach and colon drawing precious bodily resources away from doing things "LIKE" clearing out calcified veins. You don't have to completely give up meat, far from it. But you have to seriously curb it. Our little whey protein powders are also a source of imflammation now from what I've read. This is new for me so I'm not 100% on this, but from what i've read recently they're finding out that these whey isolates are about as undigestable as a well done steak.....so they add the undigesting shit in our bodies which makes our bodies more acidic, because we're generating acids to aid in digestion.........a state which leads to inflammation. I've had my own heart problems bro, which has led me to study this in detail I would have never guessed I would have to at 31. But I'm glad I did because I've made changes to my life that will serve me well for a long time to come.

What an experience though, I can't imagine that........good to hear you made it through that. Peace.......and if you want to talk about all things "heart" related, give me a pm anytime.

Not caused by inflamation but by a lack of oxygen to that part of the heart. if there is inflamation in, on or around the heart it is treated differently than an acute heart attack which is what he had.

genetics plays a big part in your medical history including heart disease. not sure where you are getting this insight from but I hate to say you are wrong on this. I have taken care of several patients young in fact who have had heart attacks at young ages. When you start to ask about their family History it becomes clear. Father had a heart attack at or near the same age as the patient the oler brother did, mom and dads parents under went cardiac procedure at or near the same age.


Calcifications and plaque build up in the heart are two different things. A heart attack more than not is caused by plaque build up in the arteries surrounding the heart. If a vein or artery ruptures then it is considered a ruptured aneurysm which is a whole other problem.


I took care of a 24 year old guy that came into my ER with chest pain. Plays sports, very active but had a huge heart attack. he was sent off to the cath lab and walked out 2 days later. he was a lucky SOB.