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Squat: exploring the art and defining the concept of parallelism

stevius

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Surely it can’t be just me because it seems there’s an awful lot of talk on whether to go parallel or get even lower. Personally I’ll go for as low as possible but there’s something important that I think needs to be shared before making this decision.

It’s really quite simple: We have a power rack (squat cage) in our gym and the horizontal supports (safety bars) are set at thirty inches from the floor. Now, I’m five feet and eight inches in my converse all-star (training shoes) so if I rest the bar on my shoulders in a standing position this comes to four feet ten inches approximately. That means if I want to reach the safety bars I have to sink twenty eight inches.

So when I squat the bar travels twenty eight inches *or two feet and four inches. This gives me problems though. What I find is that something seems to give. As I try to ascend from a full squat my hips feel overloaded and I have to work really hard just so the weight starts to move up again. For some reason my thighs were in no position to do any work in this position. Many times I would have to rest the bar on the horizontal supports and start all over.

In order to rectify this problem I started squatting a little higher than usual, thus not letting my legs fold as they normally would. So what was happening to make me so weak when I tried to get that extra depth in the squat?

This is where I tried an experiment. I got my training partner to watch as I squatted. What I did was to squat just above the lowest setting. This means the bar would have touched the horizontal supports had I pushed them in through the second set of holes from the lowest. Then I allowed my legs to fold more to get the bar right down to the supports.

What my friend noticed was that in order to get the depth my hips were rotating and pushing my back out of a tight arch. So, for example, if I am facing right >>> you would see my hips rotating anti clockwise. This was the reason my hips were working too hard; this was the reason my thighs had no power; this was the reason I was pinned to the deck.
At approximately thirty three inches from the floor I could hold my form and squat effectively. Any lower than this and my form would collapse resulting in serious problems leverage wise, and for the health of my lower back.

I am simply not flexible enough to squat lower than thirty three inches!

Now, with the bar at a height of thirty three inches from floor level my legs are definitely parallel but certainly not what I would call lower than parallel. What it actually means to get to parallel, I think, is a source of confusion when discussing the art of squatting. Roughly, during the first half of a squat movement the legs and hips move the most with less movement in the upper body. As the depth increases and the legs reach a horizontal position the upper body has to move more to compensate for a shift in balance. Since this is the case it is very easy to feel the legs are parallel when in fact there’s a lot less movement going on in this area. As you ascend from parallel the idea is to move the shoulders first which accounts for the idea that your upper body moves more than the legs as you hit parallel.

When you do reach a roughly parallel position you can do one of two things. You can shift the upper body forward more to reach the parallel bars (this accounts for cases where the squatter ends up in a good morning position on ascending). You can also fold the legs more. What you might notice here is that there isn’t much different in the position of the thighs. In other words you can get approximately six inches or more extra depth in a squat but your thighs will still be parallel and won’t look much different.

This means that it’s much harder to define what it means to go parallel because the margins are so wide. Individual differences in flexibility mean that parallel squatting is going to mean a different thing to, and for, each person, altering the effectiveness of their leg workout.
 
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without loose, flexible (and strong) hammies, you are asking for serious pain.

God invented Good mornings for a reason. :P
 
Hamstring stretches, GMs, reverse hypers, hypers, RDL/Dimels will all improve your hamstring flexibility.

Are you squatting with a narrow stance or a wide one? It's very hard to get really low with a PL-type stance.
 
Lets just say I don't squat especially wide nor too narrow. In fact I don't see how anyone can squat low with a narrow stance as the abdomen is going to be in the way.

As I mentioned flexibility is going to be a big issue for some. If people ask many lifters will say you need to get low but this isn't going to be possible for some people. Would I be wrong to suggest that there is scarce information regarding flexibility and the ability to actually squat.

Many lifters will be able to squat low but that doesn't necessarily mean they will actually be able to break parallel. With the bar at thirty-three inches off the floor my legs are hardly below parallel. How much emphasis is there on flexibility, in seeking out quality online training information, if any?

I think one of the best tests for basic squat ability would be to try performing a few overhead squats. If you struggle with this exercise chances are there's not enough flexibility there to get that sought after depth.
 
I don't follow this fixation with inches. I squat deep such that, in the hole, my hamstrings are squished against my calves.

I've not done much OH squatting but I've found it very difficult to maintain balance with that exercise. I don't believe your conjecture on this to be accurate.

I suspect that you are making insufficient effort to sit back as you descend. I have a comfortable paunch and can squat deep with my feet four or five inches apart. I used to think of it as my penguin stance. It does sound as though you have flexibity issues but I think you also have form issues.
 
You make it sound as though flexibility is something that you can't change and that if you're born inflexible, then you'll stay that way. It is something you can work at, just as lifting heavier weights is.
 
This may help: http://danjohn.org/squat101_files/frame.html

I don't have much to add really, but you're definitely overanalyzing. My first thought is, it doesn't make much difference whether you're 5'8, or 5'6 or 6'1, you're limbs are roughly the same proportion to torso regardless of height. I might be wrong, but that seems reasonable. Short guy, short arms and torso. Taller guy, longer arms and torso as well. So, 5'8, you shouldn't have any trouble getting down below parallel. I think you just aren't used to that style of squatting. And it can be tough to figure out at first. Read thelink above. It's a good explanation of how to oly-squat (e.g., below parallel).
 
blut wump said:
I don't follow this fixation with inches.
This tells you how low I squat. It also tells you that there is a specific point where my form breaks down.
I've not done much OH squatting but I've found it very difficult to maintain balance with that exercise.
Yes, my guess is that you’re either not strong enough or you have flexibility issues like myself.
anotherbutters said:
You make it sound as though flexibility is something that you can't change and that if you're born inflexible, then you'll stay that way.
It was only my intention to point out that people are instructed to squat low without being told that if they’re not flexible enough they won’t be able to squat effectively.

Protobuilder said:
So, 5'8, you shouldn't have any trouble getting down below parallel. I think you just aren't used to that style of squatting. And it can be tough to figure out at first. Read thelink above. It's a good explanation of how to oly-squat (e.g., below parallel).

Thanks for the link- I’ve studied Dan Johns articles many times!

My point was not that I have trouble getting below parallel. I can get below parallel but my hips rotate and I lose power in my legs. I though I had made myself clear on that one.
 
How is the weight distributed across your foot? Are you driving through your heels, meaning you're 'sitting back'? I ask b/c this is something I learned very recently and it has been a huge help. I used to lean forward onto my toes a bit at the bottom to basically give my comparatively weak hams a free ride.

And I agreee that depth strictly for the sake of depth is not a good idea, but one should work to achieve depth through increased flexibilty/improved technique. Not everyone will go to the same depth, but I doubt that there are many who can't get a good deal below parallel with practice.
 
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