Despite almost being beaten to death, Woman charged with murder for defending herself

[Deleted member 33117]

Oh, we have confirmation of that? Didn't see it posted. Regardless, you cannot shoot someone who has assaulted you and is clearly fleeing. There is a lot of advocation on here for guns and vigilante justice but this is not the Wild West. It is supposed to be a civilized society. By your logic, anyone who is assaulted can kill the person after the fact. Where do you draw the line? 2 minutes after? 5 minutes after? 2 hours? A week?

Where do you draw the line on what type of assault deserves vigilante retribution? Someone who punches you? Someone who breaks a few bones? Gives you a concussion?

I draw the line at someone punching me and me not taking them out as a result. Beating me in a fight that I did not provoke is grounds for your death, even if that means it taking me several years to hunt you down, and take you out unseen.

Would the averge person do this? No. But there are some people you should not mess with unless you are ready to kill them. Honestly though, like I've said, I've never actually gotten my ass kicked in a fight after my early teens, because I do not start fights, and people who tend to, can't fight fight. So its very unlikely to ever happen, however if it does, that was their own choice. If you choose to use violence against someone, be prepaired for them to retaliate with a higher level of aggression. Any other expectation is foolish.

 

[Olsen Twins Banger]

Ok, this has gotten rediculous. Let's just leave it as this.



As for the rest of us, if someone does something along those lines to us, we can just refuse to stand for it, shoot them, and save the rest of you some tax dollars. Problem solved.

no you wouldn't save us tax dollars because we would still be paying for your jail stay

 

[Deleted member 33117]

no you wouldn't save us tax dollars because we would still be paying for your jail stay

You assume they could find out who did it.

 

[Olsen Twins Banger]

I draw the line at someone punching me and me not taking them out as a result. Beating me in a fight that I did not provoke is grounds for your death, even if that means it taking me several years to hunt you down, and take you out unseen.

So now beating someone in a fight is grounds for death?

You have a fucked up sense of justice

 

[Deleted member 33117]

So now beating someone in a fight is grounds for death?

You have a fucked up sense of justice

Who said justice? My argument is purely one of phiolosphy. By preying on me, it reduces me to the level of an animal. I prefer death than being an inferior being. By eliminating that which does so, it no longer exists. I refuse to be anywhere but at the top of the food chain. If you want to let other people kick your ass, be my guest. But if you do so to me, you die.

Anyone with any sense would be able to quickly realize that its dangerous to attack me. Thus, I would be removing an inferior element from society and improving the gene pool in this situation.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I believe its wrong to initiate violence against anyone else, and have never hit another human being in anger, however if you chose to do so against me, I will not be on the losing end of it. You have opened yourself up for me to use any level of aggression in retaliation at my disposal. I won't kill someone for hitting me, unless they win the fight. They have taken nothing from me by attempting to do so, and failing. I've maintained my dominance, and theyhave learned a lesson, with nothing more than broken bone or two and some bruises. You hurt me bad, or attack me with a weapon, and I can and will take you out. And when I do so, I might wait a year or two, to eliminate suspicion on me.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Re: Despite almost being beaten to death, Woman charged with murder for defending her

strongsmart,

Just curious, if you were on her jury, would you find her guilty? If yes, what should be her punishment?

And as far bodybyfina I can totally understand where he is coming from. I have seen what child molestation does to a kid. It screws them up for the rest of their life. That is why I think child molestation offenders should get the death penalty. Screw them. They are TRASH they arn't human. And what do you do with trash? That's right you TAKE IT OUT!

Since I'm not on the jury and don't have access to all of the facts how could I answer your question?

Not all molested children are screwed up for the rest of their lives.

What is it you know about child molestation and appropriate penalties that would make you alter the entire US punishment system to suit your viewpoint?

 

[digger]

Re: Despite almost being beaten to death, Woman charged with murder for defending her

Sounds to me like the crime was still in progress. If the criminal had surrendered, it would have been murder to kill him, but he was still at the scene of the crime and in possession of a weapon, which he had actually used.

In such a case it's reasonable for the defender to do what is necessary to prevent the felon's escape. It clouds the issue a bit to refer to that as "self-defense" but that is the category under which it falls.

No, there's no "death penalty for speeding" -- but if you make it impossible to stop you any other way, the cop is still required and allowed to stop you. If you raise the stakes until lethal force is the cop's only option, that's your own fault. You want due process protection? Surrender and you get it. It doesn't apply until you're in custody.

Somebody else said he read Massad Ayoob -- for those who don't know that is, he's a New Hampshire cop, firearms safety trainer, and gun writer who spends a lot of time giving testimony as an expert witness in cases involving cops and armed citizens. He has a regular magazine column where he analyzes cases like this one. I think he would be unhappy about some aspects of it -- he prefers it when the good guys follow their training, do what has to be done, and don't get hurt.

 

[Olsen Twins Banger]

bro we aren't animals

why are you reverting to B.C times, there are lots of people that make your inferior in all aspects of life, you are not the smartest, biggest, or strongest person alive, so that makes you inferior, you gonna kill all them too?

and what if you fucked some dudes chick, he sucessfully beats your ass, you would kill him, there are lots of people that can beat your ass, so if you happen to fight one and lose you would kill that person, if so then you are no better than a murderer

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Re: Despite almost being beaten to death, Woman charged with murder for defending her

She prevented him from doing this again to someone else.

His actions on that day is what really killed him, it was his choice. That guard did not plan to kill him but he sure enough planned to hurt and rob her on that day.

Why be surprised when volicence is met with volicence

I mean come on....if he was out of the car with his hands in the air saying that he surrenders and she shot him that is one thing but in a car that could be used as a dangerous weapon and he was far from being Defenseless and he was still a threat.

The potential for USING more force is not the same as using or attempting to use that force. As you can see by them prosecuting her, they haven't seen it as self defense.

Yes, violence is met with violence. Escalation of the method of violence and when it is employed is the diffference between getting off with self-defense and being prosecuted for murder.

I'm amazed that the legal system understands and provides provisions for this subtlety, but for some reason it's clearly missing from most of the posters thought processes on this thread. My guess is that most of you haven't thought through the implications and ramifications of what defines murder.

Shooting someone who's in control of a moving vehicle is irresponsible. Now you have a few tons of uncontrolled deadly force. Good move.