I tried Thiomucase a bunch of times when I competed. I tried it with saran wrap around it, without it, with it tanning, etc. I honestly don't know if it worked or it was just in my head but what I liked the mot about it was not it's effect on stuborn fat, like lower back, but instead what it did to areas that were already lean. It made my skin look and feel like it was paper thin, especially on my quads and forearms. Those were the areas that I got the most pronounced effect. I tried some injectable fat reducer about 4 years ago and it actually worked. It was something from France. It was on the net for a bit and then it just disappered. At the time you could get it legally. It was a bit uncomfortable after injection, it would swell a bit, turn red and itch. After a few days that went away and after the 3rd treatment, you could really notice results. I can't remember the name of it for the life of me though. It came in ampules, I think 5 or 10 to a box. Each ampule was like 2 cc's, not 1cc like juice.