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Vegetarians where art thou?

"vestax03a, if you're still around, it would be helpful to know your goals and what type of vegetarian you are. Are you trying to lose fat at the moment, or gain muscle. Do you eat eggs, dairy, fish etc...? How long have you been weight training?"

My main goal is to lose fat. When i started my diet i was a little over 300 pounds at 5'5, it wasn't looking very nice. Also it was very hard to find size 48 jeans.

I've been dieting since june, turned vegetarian in november. At first i followed a very strict diet (around 850 calories a day) and did light excersie. I made some progress but it wasnt enough, so in november i decided to become a vegetarian.

I dont eat eggs, dair or fish. mostly beans (black,pinto, and red) salads, vegetables and veggie burger patties and tofu dogs.

As of saturday im down to a 34 but i still have a problem. I have ALOT of loose skin. It looks very nasty. Mostly on my chest, stomach, thighs and back. I stopped doing 90 minutes of cardio and started lifting weights for 90 minutes and doing 15 on a stationary bike or running on a treadmill. starting to see some improvement but its still not enough...any tips?
 
vestax03a said:
...any tips?

Yes, Eat meat.

High Protein, Low-Mod Carb, Mod healthy Fats, Do that for 5 months. And you will be a New person.

Keep at with this Vegetarian stuff and see how far you'll get... :rolleyes:

Good Luck.

Love Always,

Crum:bday:
 
In response to "Yes, Eat meat. ", all I can say is religions come in all shapes and sizes, and vegetarian bashing is just one type of religious fervour IMHO, and is done as a reflex of people who feel their carniverous religion being threatened. It is not relevant to this board anymore than me coming on here and bashing ketogenic/high meat diets as "unhealthy" or "environmentally selfish" or whatever. I can just as well (and have many times) design a meat-based diet for an Atkin'ser/CKD as I can a vego even though I don't eat meat. Is it asking too much of the other members of this board to be tolerant??

On another current thread you guys (Crum et al) are flaming some nutritionist for being closed-minded and not open to other ideas than the ones she's set her mind on. Looks like the kettle calling the coal black.

vestax03a, my advice is to eat more calories, but fewer carbs. Increase your protein intake. You're on the right track by substituting weights for some of your cardio. As for the excess skin, there's not a lot I know of that can help that. With time (if you keep the weight off), it will tighten some, but obese people's skin sometimes never returns to normal tightness after they lose a lot of weight. It's a small price to pay for the general improvement in your health and well being. It can be surgically removed, but you shouldn't consider this until your weight has been stable for at least a year. The meals/recipes is a personal thing. I like a lot of ethnic spices (mexican/indian/asian etc...) in my meals, and these can be low fat AND low sodium but still taste good. In general, if you look at the meal plans on some of those links I posted, you'll see that the dieting foods are kept simple, basic and not highly seasoned. This is a good idea from several perspectives, including appetite control (if the food tastes too good it's tempting to eat too much for instance).

It might help if you posted what you're currently eating.
 
MS said:
In response to "Yes, Eat meat. ", all I can say is religions come in all shapes and sizes, and vegetarian bashing is just one type of religious fervour IMHO, and is done as a reflex of people who feel their carniverous religion being threatened. It is not relevant to this board anymore than me coming on here and bashing ketogenic/high meat diets as "unhealthy" or "environmentally selfish" or whatever. I can just as well (and have many times) design a meat-based diet for an Atkin'ser/CKD as I can a vego even though I don't eat meat. Is it asking too much of the other members of this board to be tolerant??

On another current thread you guys (Crum et al) are flaming some nutritionist for being closed-minded and not open to other ideas than the ones she's set her mind on. Looks like the kettle calling the coal black.


Bwaahahahaa haaa. Take THAT! (Just kidding, OK!)

I'm sorry ... was I bashing? This is what I love about you MS - so balanced. I, unfortunately, tend to have knee-jerk reactions to my personal lifestyle choices being unnessarily ridiculed.

vestax03a - sorry to invade your thread so belligerently - Crum said he didn't understand, so I tried to explain, but it's hard to explain when you're irritated. Anyway, all I can say is, if MS is giving you advice, you're one lucky guy, and I'd follow it to the letter.

CrumCookie - would you like to step outside? :D
 
There is no reason for this to turn into a brawl. Vesta has made a choice and will stick with it as long as it fits into his/her lifestyle and is working. I would hope that if vesta gets to a stage where his/her current lifestyle isn't working that they will re-evaluate based on knowledge and sound advice rather than anecdote and prejudice. A vego diet, quite simply, doesn't suit everbody's lifestyle or temperament. Same with a meat based diet. I'm pretty sure vesta didn't get to 300lbs on whole grains and fresh veggies alone!!! I'll bet there was some meat (and junky carbs and 'bad' fats) in there, along with not enough physical activity for whatever reason. There is no one cause of obesity, so there will never be one soution (such as eat more meat). Obesity is a complex disease of modern society and treatment needs to be approached as a healthy and sustainable lifestyle change that is more than just adding meat and dropping carbs and calories. Loose skin is a bummer though.......
 
vestax03a said:
About 2 months ago I became a vegetarian. I like it because i can finally feel comfortable eating 6 meals and not worring about calories a whole lot. However im starting to get tired of the same thing over and over again. I've done the veggie burgers, dogs, crumbled meat and tofu thing to death. So with all that said, Does anyone know some vegetarian or tofu recipies or know of a website with them?

Thanks in advance.

You are making one of the most common mistakes that many people make - It appears that you are trying to substitute meat. You seem to be cooking meat-type meals with meat substitutes instead of vegetarian meals.

My mother used to do this to me when I first became a Veggie, i.e. buying me vegetarian sausages, etc. She didn't seem to understand that I had no interest in eating something that looked and tasted like meat.

Go and buy a vegetarian cookbook and make vegetarian food. Entire civilisations such as that of the Indian subcontinent have their diets based on vegetarian food.

Contrary to common perceptions, vegetarian food is usually FAR more diverse and interesting than frequently monotonous meat based meals.

Best of luck.
 
vestax03a said:
About 2 months ago I became a vegetarian. I like it because i can finally feel comfortable eating 6 meals and not worring about calories a whole lot. However im starting to get tired of the same thing over and over again. I've done the veggie burgers, dogs, crumbled meat and tofu thing to death. So with all that said, Does anyone know some vegetarian or tofu recipies or know of a website with them?

Thanks in advance.

humans are OMNIVORES meaning that we eat plant and animal.
good luck building muscle or even maintaining what muscle you have right now because i dont' care how you mix your beans and brown rice, your tofu and other dairy products, you cannot progress physical strenght and muscle building without meat and/or FISH.
 
Re: Re: Vegetarians where art thou?

leancuisine said:


humans are OMNIVORES meaning that we eat plant and animal.
good luck building muscle or even maintaining what muscle you have right now because i dont' care how you mix your beans and brown rice, your tofu and other dairy products, you cannot progress physical strenght and muscle building without meat and/or FISH.

Please explain then how I have gained 20kgs of muscle on a vegetarian diet.
 
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