Vegetarians where art thou?

[leancuisine]

MS...

based on the pictures in your gallery, you are indeed very fit and extremely muscular for a female. the knowledge you have regarding proper vegeterian nutrition far exceeds most vegeterians nutrition. so you see, as a vegeterian one must really really know what to eat otherwise the likelihood to be protein defecient is greater, and thus the common misconception that vegeterians cant get the results of meat eaters.
you gotta admit though that it's much easier to consume the necessary amounts of proteins for serious muscle building with a meat eating diet.

 

[valerie]

Hee Hee Ha Ha-Leancusine you really don't have a clue do you????

MS has done more to educate people on all things diet than any other individual I can think of. Perhaps you can learn too.

Just had to butt in with that-valerie

 

[valerie]

MS-Thanks for posting your pics. Although I'm not platnium (darn ) I have been curious. You looked great.-valerie

 

[leancuisine]

VALERIE,

you flame me again and i'll send you fat ass back to burger king where you belong.

you say i dont have a clue uh?
the name says it all.
LEANCUISINE

you best recognize:

 

[HansNZ]

Crum, you don't get the point, do you?

Health is one issue, but ever heard of ecological balance? Overfishing, over-grazing, soil erosion, destruction of land and water resources, "dead" seas, methane emissions, foot-and-mouth, BSE, chicken flu, scabies ... the list goes on and on and on, and fat, rich Americans and other Westerners sit there on their fat, smug asses remote-surfing channels for another pristine nature reserve to target for land-clearing to feed their warped sense of what "health" is.

And I don't care if your ass is only covered with 5% fat or whatever - it's still a FAT ass. Clear your head, dude, and wake up to the reality of the planet you're helping to destroy. You don't NEED meat, any more than a fish needs a f***ing bicycle!

As to the question of why so many vegs look unhealthy - excuse me - do you have statistics for this? - I know a shit-load of meat eaters who look a thousand times worse! It boils down to the same thing for anyone - is the diet balanced? Most people don't know shit about nutrition, so when they go veggie, they simply cut out all the protein (doh!), their diet becomes even more unbalanced and they start looking unhealthy.

Maybe you should go talk to Lisa Dorfman about healthy-looking vegetarians, though - she's competed in hundreds of triathlons, Ironman competitions, pentathlons, etc., and she looks half her age.

It's just a suggestion, but I think there's something wrong with the food you guys eat up there in the northern hemisphere. A friend of mine went to live in Germany for five years. This guy is a typical ectomorph - the sort you would never think could get fat.

After living in Germany for three years he had put on so much weight that he became a vegetarian. Once he did this he returned to his original weight again. He's living back here in New Zealand and has resumed eating meat. He hasn't gained any extra fat.

He said the meat in Europe tastes strange - quite unpleasant in his opinion. I know that Americans mess even more with their livestock than Europeans do - far more hormones, antibiotics, unnatural feed, etc.

I know people living in Europe/America who have tried to buy meat from New Zealand/argentina, etc. which is grown more naturally - but it is so expensive because of the high tariffs Americans and Europeans put on it.

Here in New Zealand people have unhealthy diets and increasing waist lines too, but we have nothing like the levels of extreme obesity that you see among Americans. Whenever I travel I am struck by how FAT Americans are.

From this and other anecdotal experience, I think your industrialised farming (including genetic modification in the USA), may have something to do with the weight problems in your parts of the world.

 

[ZKaudio]

hormone supplemented cattle meat has the same nutritional breakdown as natural cows. Your argument is invalid. I think it's more the american motto, more is better, that hurts most of our population... why eat a small fry when u can supersize it for 40 cents?-go usa

 

[HansNZ]

hormone supplemented cattle meat has the same nutritional breakdown as natural cows. Your argument is invalid. I think it's more the american motto, more is better, that hurts most of our population... why eat a small fry when u can supersize it for 40 cents?-go usa

Correction: it is not an argument, it is a suggestion based on purely anecdotal observations. I haven't investigated the science in this area.

As an argument it would not be generally invalid, it would only be invalid SCIENTIFICALLY. Scientific "facts" are only as good as the science of the time. It will be interesting to see what the "facts" are on this in another 50 years.

I've inserted the words "It's just a suggestion" for you at the beginning of my previous post

 

[MS]

There are valid arguements in both directions. Almost ALL New Zealand/Argentine meat is both grass fed and free range. Almost ALL American meat is corn/grain fed and spends a lot of their life inactive in feed lots. This affects both the total fat content as well as the saturated fat content dramatically, and American meat is generally very poor in Omega 3 fats compared to NZ/Argentine. American beef is also generally 'fattened up' in it's last few weeks with estrogens. This does not happen down south. But ZKaudio is also correct, and don't kid yourself that NZ isn't heading for an obesity crisis too, for the same reasons as Americans. Excess calories and reduced activity is the major culprit.

leancuisine, what's in a name? Your turn to post some pics. Not that it really matters. With proper nutritional counselling you could achieve a nice body even without the meat, so I'm not sure what your point is. Knowledge is only as good as what you use it to accomplish, and at least I am able to assist folks with diet designs based on their preferences and lifestyle choices without prejudice to my own beliefs. I can counsel someone on a meat based keto diet, and isocalorice diet, or strict vegetarian diet and have them get equally good results. This is not a flame, just a heads up that I am also on this diet board to help people with their diet goals, and anyone that's trying to be helpful (including yourself) does not deserve to be flamed, but does deserve to be challenged in an open debate/discussion. That applies to both of us, and I for one think these threads are good for everyone as long as they DON'T lead to flame wars.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

hey im somewhat of a vegetarian myself and im pretty healthy

i like meat but i rarely ever eat any because it is toooooo expensive


i prefer cheap protien powders. i can get 25 grams of protien for about 30 cents a serving! you cant beat that!