Unsafe in the U.K.

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SO19 (Tactical Firearms Department of the Metropolitan Police - London) are only called out when required. It is the same around the rest of the UK.

There are armed response vehicles which routinely patrol cities, but it is not as if there are loads of trigger happy police running around brandishing guns at law abiding citizens.

The original article in this thread is misleading propoganda to try to say that gun control laws in the US should not be strengthened.

I do not know what the situation is regarding gun laws in the US (and I wouldn't presume to guess about them) but the article was talking total crap about the state of guns in the hands of police in the UK.

Of course gun crime is going up - I'm sure that it is rising in almost every country, along with drug-related crime.

The laws after Dunblane were meant to remove guns from being readily available. They would always be available to criminals. The guy who carried out the Dunblane massacre was a registered gun owner and hence after the post Dunblane laws, would not have been able to own guns - so Dunblane would not have happened.

There will always be gun crimes but the laws are also meant to stop the then legally-owned guns being used for killing.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Where have you seen these machine guns? Is it a common occurence? It sure as hell isnt a common occurrence as suggested by the original post. I have only ever seen semi-automatic weapons carried by police on protection duties for royalty or in highly volatile situations. Mebbe you saw pics of SO19 as suggested by the previous poster.

Balsall Heath is where I live.....meant to be a rough part! If the bullet proof glass in all the off-licences is anything to go by it prob is by most peoples standards. I used to live at Five-Ways which has an even worse rep.

You do get car crime and street crime, but that generally involves knives not guns. Your average smackhead will clear off if you stand up to him/her. I've had to do that on a couple of occasions and it wasnt a problem.

The guns are undoubtedly around.....but the situation isnt quite as bad as the original poster made out. Put it this way, if a whiteboy like me can walk around areas that are largely populated by asians and/or black people then the situation isnt that bad. BTW that was not a racist comment. The rough areas in Birmingham are populated by one or the other and black youths are responsible for more crime than any other group.

It makes me laugh that everybodies answer to rising crime is to make weapons more wide-spread. If you arm everybody the crims will come back with even more fire-power. What do you do then? Make it legal to drive tanks and carry bazookas??

Yes they do. I have seen them.



You must live in a nice part of Brum then. Areas like where I am from (Salford) people get robbed all the time. There are plenty of guns about as well. Manchester didn't get branded as 'gunchester' for nothing. People also regularly get their windows put through in their cars at the lights and either have their car or possesions taken.

Do you honestly believe that your average smack head would be as hasty to rob someone if there was a good chance that they'd be carring a gun?

Burgalries, street robberies, rapes happen all the time where I live. If I could legally have a gun, I would definately get myself and my girl one. It isn't that hard to get one illegaly though.

 

[danielson]

it really depends on where u love. i have to say u could get a gun over here if u reallly wanted one.

i dont think they carry machine guns, or if they do very rarely. i have seen police carrysub machine guns (usually MP5's) and semi-automatic pistols, but never a machine gun, a machine gun is a huge motherfucker used for mowing down people or completely suppressing them, its also not too accurate. the armedforces have used the GPMG for a long ime, i assume this is what they would use, but it is HUGE and very HEAVY, ive carried it and it sucks having to lug it around, and i only had it for like 1/2 an hour. but maybe they have them i dunno

thank god ive never seen armed police. my friends think sometimes its funny to pul out a BB gun and fire it on the streets....today someone was shot in london for carrying a firelighter.

and as for the marksmen issue...policemen should give a warning that they will fire if they dont put the weapon down...befor people start saying they will probably die, armed police over here have killed more innocents than they have saved.....if he doesnt and moves very suddenly then shoot him, but even if they do shoot him, why noty in the stomach, why in the thorax?

this is a machone gun...its huge!

 

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I agree that armed police should always give a warning before shooting (if at all possible).

The guy shot yesterday in London was holding a lighter - but it was shaped like a pistol and based on the pics on TV it looked pretty realistic at 6 feet away so it must have looked even more realistic at the range that the police were at.

Don't know whether a warning was given or not - I suppose the inquiry will reveal what happened.

There are often armed police at airports, and in the days of increased IRA activity there was a more visible armed presence in London.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I think that the reason they give is that they go for a large target that will instantly stop the bad (?) guy.

.....if he doesnt and moves very suddenly then shoot him, but even if they do shoot him, why noty in the stomach, why in the thorax?

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[bouncer]

A couple of things here. First SO19 are armed with single shot Heckler & Koch MP5's, there's no automatic MP5's in SO19 service. The only concession made to some member's of SO19 is the folding stock version. They also use semi auto Remington 870 shotguns.

I'm a qualified sniper, and have also instructed on sniper course's and you would NEVER teach and student to aim for legs and arms, we leave that for hollywood. The use of non-letl weapons in the USA will probably always to confined to the USA. If a situation presents itself whereby an armed policeman or marksmen are deployed the only safe policy to use is shot to kill, for everyone's safety. Except of course the fucker who's just been drilled !.
It's simply safer for all involved for the marksman or policeman/soldier to aim for the centre mass of the target and ensure a clean kill.

Danielson you've carried the GPMG for 1/2, fuck's sake what kind of cushy training was that ?, or are you a little guy ?. When I was just a rifleman everytime we'd go on exercise I'd the those dreaded words "K......... take the MAG", and that would be it for the exercise. Just kidding Danielson I know what your saying, it's a heavy bastard but THE best section/platoon support weapon out there, it blow's the M60 away.

BTW sniper weapons used by the brit's are the Accuracy International A92A1 & A2 and the Heckler & Koch 93.

Regards
Bouncer

 

[Imnotdutch]

I guess that settles it then.....

A couple of things here. First SO19 are armed with single shot Heckler & Koch MP5's, there's no automatic MP5's in SO19 service. The only concession made to some member's of SO19 is the folding stock version. They also use semi auto Remington 870 shotguns.

I'm a qualified sniper, and have also instructed on sniper course's and you would NEVER teach and student to aim for legs and arms, we leave that for hollywood. The use of non-letl weapons in the USA will probably always to confined to the USA. If a situation presents itself whereby an armed policeman or marksmen are deployed the only safe policy to use is shot to kill, for everyone's safety. Except of course the fucker who's just been drilled !.
It's simply safer for all involved for the marksman or policeman/soldier to aim for the centre mass of the target and ensure a clean kill.

Danielson you've carried the GPMG for 1/2, fuck's sake what kind of cushy training was that ?, or are you a little guy ?. When I was just a rifleman everytime we'd go on exercise I'd the those dreaded words "K......... take the MAG", and that would be it for the exercise. Just kidding Danielson I know what your saying, it's a heavy bastard but THE best section/platoon support weapon out there, it blow's the M60 away.

BTW sniper weapons used by the brit's are the Accuracy International AWR MAGNUM and the Heckler & Koch 93.

Regards
Bouncer

 

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There's currently talks going on about possibly using tranquiliser guns instead of normal ones - to prevent people getting killed.

It hasn't been decided yet - just an idea they're considering.

 

[bouncer]

And when the guy has insomnia we'll still have to smake the fucker.

K.I.S.S. : Keep It Simple Stupid !

Regards

Bouncer

 

[GaryWary]

A couple of things here. First SO19 are armed with single shot Heckler & Koch MP5's, there's no automatic MP5's in SO19 service. The only concession made to some member's of SO19 is the folding stock version. They also use semi auto Remington 870 shotguns.

I'm a qualified sniper, and have also instructed on sniper course's and you would NEVER teach and student to aim for legs and arms, we leave that for hollywood. The use of non-letl weapons in the USA will probably always to confined to the USA. If a situation presents itself whereby an armed policeman or marksmen are deployed the only safe policy to use is shot to kill, for everyone's safety. Except of course the fucker who's just been drilled !.
It's simply safer for all involved for the marksman or policeman/soldier to aim for the centre mass of the target and ensure a clean kill.

Danielson you've carried the GPMG for 1/2, fuck's sake what kind of cushy training was that ?, or are you a little guy ?. When I was just a rifleman everytime we'd go on exercise I'd the those dreaded words "K......... take the MAG", and that would be it for the exercise. Just kidding Danielson I know what your saying, it's a heavy bastard but THE best section/platoon support weapon out there, it blow's the M60 away.

BTW sniper weapons used by the brit's are the Accuracy International A92A1 & A2 and the Heckler & Koch 93.

Regards
Bouncer

Well, now I have learnt a bit about weapons...