Removing BA from "solution"

[maldorf]

draw your solution, add 1 ml of bacteriostatic water, swirl it around and eject the bacteriostatic water.

Your solution now has less BA.

Interesting. I am thinking that the test will end up in the alcohol/water mixture on the bottom, and the oil on top. Draw off the oil, but then you are left with a test/water/alchol mix! The concentration may be even higher now?

 

[Tux]

Water is polar, the oil and alcohol are non-polar. So, the oil and water won't mix. The alcohol, however, will mix some with the water. Gear is also insoluble in water so it will not dissolve into it. Eject the water, and you should have rid the solution of some of the BA. In theory, at least... how well this would actually work in practice is a totally different story.

 

[TheRide]

Ok well you see ulter if you look in the merck index you will see that benzyl alcohol's boiling point is 205 degrees celsius not fahrenheit. If you can do math that turns in 400 degrees fahrenheit. Here is a link to prove my point http://chemfinder.cambridgesoft.com/result.asp. Oh! and one more thing I do not have to have done this before to know what I am talking about I know chemicals and I know their properties period. You nhave no idea about my back ground so please keep your mouth shut about what I do and do not know.

Let's try to keep this amicable and respectful please.

 

[maldorf]

Water is polar, the oil and alcohol are non-polar. So, the oil and water won't mix. The alcohol, however, will mix some with the water. Gear is also insoluble in water so it will not dissolve into it. Eject the water, and you should have rid the solution of some of the BA. In theory, at least... how well this would actually work in practice is a totally different story.

I am certain that alcohol is a polar solvent, in fact it is very polar. If you look at rubbing alcohol, none of it is 100%, most is like 70% alcohol and 30% water.

I also think that the test is polar, and water soluble, since there is test suspension you can purchase, and that is test in water.

 

[cobra1414]

I am certain that alcohol is a polar solvent, in fact it is very polar. If you look at rubbing alcohol, none of it is 100%, most is like 70% alcohol and 30% water.

I also think that the test is polar, and water soluble, since there is test suspension you can purchase, and that is test in water.

I don't know the gory details of why it works all I know is its cheap and easy and takes a lot of the pain out of prop.

 

[maldorf]

The problem is that you've never done this so you don't what you're talking about. We've been cooking off excess solvent in gear for several years. It's not a new experiment. Many times the solvent will evaporate right in the vial without ANY heat or ventilation. This is witnessed by those who have AS that sits for a long time and suddenly they see the material fall right out of the solvent and appear as crystals or powder at the bottom of the vial.

The temperatures I wrote are F not C. It doesn't take much heat to accelerate the evaporation process.



Of course there is a list of test ester melting points. Several as a matter of fact.
HE didn't do anything to get too much solvent in the vial. The underground manufacturers don't work in a Clean Room so they make it up by adding more solvent. They also put more material in it than there should be to get high concentrations that people want. The only way to do that is to use a ridiculous amount of solvent.

This all sound exactly on the money to me. That alcohol would evaporate on its own ove time if you left the vial unstoppered, just that it would take waay long! Any heat is going to speed it up, so you could heat it real low in the oven for an extended period and not risk damaging the AS. WOUld have to be sure that there is an opening big enough for the alcohol vapor to escape.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Thanks to all you crazy chemists with all your diferent theories and methods. I apreciate it. But i still have a few things im woried about. Do you guys think 4x 18g pipes will sufice for vapor loss. Also..what do you guys recomend heating the vial in.....i don think a stove can bring up water to such a temp. So im guessing an oven...or an improvised bunsen burner...aka. Kitchen stove..the only thing is i dont want to crack the vial if posible. I know i should avoid direc tcontact with th evial and flame. Other than that what are some methods i can use to complete this little experiment.

Green to anyone who has any good ideas.

 

[Tux]

Sorry Maldorf, just look it up. All alcohols are NON-polar bro. Also steroids are NOT soluble in water, which you actually proved with your test suspension example. Why do you think test suspension and winny are WHITE? B/c the hormone isn't dissolved, it's just sitting there in the water. Water is polar, hormones aren't, they won't dissolve, so they just sit there "suspended". That's why winny and test suspension will clog the needle, the UN-dissolved particles get stuck. So, to recap, all alcohols are non-polar by their structure, gear is non-polar too. You're wrong on every single account bro. Do some more reasearch please. Oh, as a side note, you can buy pure rubbing alcohol at 100%, problem is that water and alcohol DO happen to be soluble in each other, so 100% or 200proof alcohol will saturate down to 190 just from the water vapor in the air. Also, 100% alcohol is illegal to sell in many states, like Everclear. Man dude, you don't know chemistry

 

[Judo Tom]

an 18g pin will work just make sure the plastic doesnt melt

you should also buy a 'candy' thermometer or something else besides your oven gauge

i would do it in 10-15 min increments..

do you know how much ba you have to remove?

if you homebrew at all i would just recycle this oil/ba/test into a new batch and bring the ratios into a normal range

 

[maldorf]

Sorry Maldorf, just look it up. All alcohols are NON-polar bro. Also steroids are NOT soluble in water, which you actually proved with your test suspension example. Why do you think test suspension and winny are WHITE? B/c the hormone isn't dissolved, it's just sitting there in the water. Water is polar, hormones aren't, they won't dissolve, so they just sit there "suspended". That's why winny and test suspension will clog the needle, the UN-dissolved particles get stuck. So, to recap, all alcohols are non-polar by their structure, gear is non-polar too. You're wrong on every single account bro. Do some more reasearch please. Oh, as a side note, you can buy pure rubbing alcohol at 100%, problem is that water and alcohol DO happen to be soluble in each other, so 100% or 200proof alcohol will saturate down to 190 just from the water vapor in the air. Also, 100% alcohol is illegal to sell in many states, like Everclear. Man dude, you don't know chemistry

LOL. first of all I did not claim to know for sure that test is soluble in water, if you read I was taking a guess. You are right about the test.

Alcohols ARE POLAR SOLVENTS! you are dead WRONG. so don't go correcting someone if you dont know your shit. All alcohols carry a partial negative charge around the oxygen atom, and a partial postive charge on the other end. So I think its time you hit chem 101 again,lol.