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The synthesis of testosterone from dhea on your kitchen counter

bremac

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many of you have seen my other posts about making steroids synthetically but always in the context of a laboratory setting, a masters in organic synthesis etc.. Lord knows over the years i have had my hands in a fair number of batches of a multitude of steroids, many of you have probably tasted my fruits but will never know.
myself and the boogeyman set out to attempt to do this synthesis with absolutely nothing from a scientific supply house, no glassware, no ph papers no fuck all. We succeeded and ended up with base test so pure it crystallized like shattered glass.
THEORY: Dhea is two synthesis steps away from test base, one oxidation, one reduction. The most logical way is to reduce first the 17=O to create 5 androstenediol, this way there are many selective oxidation agents that will only convert the 3-OH to a =O and not the 17. Since dhea is not water soluble one can not use water as a solvent for the reaction, the obvious choice is methanol since the reduction is done with sodium borohydride. A large excess of methanol is used because 5androdiol is much less soluble in methanol than dhea so as it is formed it will slurry. The second step is full of possibilities but the available selective oxidizer is manganese dioxide, in this case the reaction is done in acetic acid which gives slight solubility to the androdiol to transiently come in and out of solution to react

experimental: dhea was purchased from china in one kg quantity, methanol or methylhydrate from canadian tire, sodium borohydride from a hydrogen cell engine supplier online fifteen grams for fifteen dollars, good for 60 grams test. 10 grams dhea dissolved in 400ml methanol and stirred using a milk frother in a regular glass nestled in ice. 2.5 grams sodium boro are slowly added as powder at a rate that does not allow the temp to exceed 40C. if a slurry forms thats good, it means product is forming, just add more cold methanol. after a total of one hour add vinegar until the bubbling on addition stops then dump into a liter of ice water. filter thru coffe filter and squeeze dry. dry in oven at 60C.
activated manganese dioxide is made from manganese dioxide from a ceramics supplier and then its boiled in nitirc acid to activate. make nitric acid by adding boiled down battery acid to stump remover (potassium nitrate) then boiling inside a bottle with a hose running to another bottle nestled in ice to collect the nitric acid. filter and rinse with an anhydrous solvent like a fuel system water remover, activated mang diox must be absolute dry. put the diol from the first step in 300ml acetic acid then slowly add the mang diox as a powder same fashion as above, stir for six to ten hours, you won't over oxidize since exact molar equivalents are used. now flood the reaction with five times volume ice water and filter out the base test plus unreacted diol and dhea, minimum purity will be about 70%

note we activated mang diox by azeotropic distillation with benzene as we are too lazy to make nitric acid.

75 grams of dhea can be had for about a buck a gram, all together maybe 2-4 dollars a gram for heat free decent test.
 
Awesome post.

If one wished to esterify the base test to proprionate or enanthate, what would the next steps be?
 
um, yeeeaaaahhh.... about that... lol there's no way i'm gonna be doing that. it seems like it would only be beneficial if you were making massive amounts of it (and knew what you were doing so you don't fuck it up). i'll just save my money and time and buy it from somewhere else.... good read tho!

p.s. i wouldn't be the first to inject that shit either! lol
 
another thing is that you guys need to have more confidence in your abilities as humans. If you follow a procedure with clean chemicals, you recrystallize the product then you have 98%+ pure product. these are the exact same as the ways the stuff is made in china. If you dissolve the final product in hot methanol the base crystallizes into beautiful big glass shards, i have pics of the crystalline base if anyone is interested, its a very rare form to see a steroid in.
you can do stuff like this and make a product cleaner than industrially produced, the stuff you normally take is absolute shit made in mexico and filty, this way YOU control the purity.
huge batches CAN be done but i`ve done as small as five grams. If you can find a five grams of powder supplier who will give it to you for less than $40 then yes, that is a better deal, but find me a supplier who will sell any less than 100 grams.
you guys aren`t idiots, you can follow directions, look what you did to your physiques, that is harder than making steroids, i`ve been designing and making steroids for fifteen years and i haven`t accomplished that with my body, nothing at all, no dedication.
I have a name of a chemical company that supplies any and all of what you would need to try these things, feel free to pm me for the name of the company, they are very sympathetic to your needs.
 
If you can find a five grams of powder supplier who will give it to you for less than $40 then yes, that is a better deal, but find me a supplier who will sell any less than 100 grams.

Thats cool. I always wondered how to do that. But it doesn't seem worth it as its really easy to find the supplier that meets the above
 
Very cool stuff! It doesn't sound too much more complicated than removing the estrogen from synovex without a kit. But, I'm gonna have to read that again!! lol.
 
Awesome post.

If one wished to esterify the base test to proprionate or enanthate, what would the next steps be?

Bremac can correct me if I'm wrong, and there could possibly be a better way, but I think the usual route would be esterification using the corresponding acid anhydride (ie: propionic anhydride for propionate ester) in pyridine. The anhydride would be used in excess to drive the reaction to the desired product, since its an equilibrium rxn.
 
man you guys are smart....i read that first post and got bored like i was back in college lol....i wish i could do itmyself..cause i totaly would..but i would need it in plain english...not any of that reduce from this to that on the 17th level stuff....My hats off to you...makes me wish i could understand to try it...
 
man you guys are smart....i read that first post and got bored like i was back in college lol....i wish i could do itmyself..cause i totaly would..but i would need it in plain english...not any of that reduce from this to that on the 17th level stuff....My hats off to you...makes me wish i could understand to try it...



You crack me up! Man, I wish I could speak chemical language. This stuff puts my old homebrew gig to shame, although I would be the one out of all my friends to actually try this untill I successfully got it. Nice read.
 
para!! what up long time no see....hope all is well and if you cook this up mail me some bro...lol...well a few weeks after you try it yourself first. Dont want to shoot my ass and it swell up the size of a watermelon
 
para!! what up long time no see....hope all is well and if you cook this up mail me some bro...lol...well a few weeks after you try it yourself first. Dont want to shoot my ass and it swell up the size of a watermelon

I was actually thinkin of smoking the crystals from his synthesis in a glass pipe. I'll let you know from the ER how it went. lol
 
I was actually thinkin of smoking the crystals from his synthesis in a glass pipe. I'll let you know from the ER how it went. lol

I actually really laughed out loud to that one...bet you get super strong lungs....maybe the spinters on this forum should try it.
 
Bremac can correct me if I'm wrong, and there could possibly be a better way, but I think the usual route would be esterification using the corresponding acid anhydride (ie: propionic anhydride for propionate ester) in pyridine. The anhydride would be used in excess to drive the reaction to the desired product, since its an equilibrium rxn.

yes you can use the anhydride and that is in fact the premier way to go, but i triple do dare you to order propanoyl anhydride in the united states, even acetic anhydride is hot. If you go with the carboxylic acid it works but is longer reaction, plus you can form the acyl chloride from the acid which in pyridine is in my opinion just as good as the anhydride
 
You crack me up! Man, I wish I could speak chemical language. This stuff puts my old homebrew gig to shame, although I would be the one out of all my friends to actually try this untill I successfully got it. Nice read.


there would be no reason at all that would make using the stuff dangerous. starting from dhea and reacting with sodium borohydride can produce ONLY one thing.......5androdiol. so you can have diol or dhea, thats it, sodium borohydride is soluble in water so when you flood the first reaction with water the hormones precipitate (become solid and filterable) and the borohydride stays behind in the liquid.

in the second step with dichromate as long as it is kept cold the only possible products are unreacted diol, dhea, testosterone or androdione. the steroid skeleton lacks and signifigant chemical groups capable of allowing dangerous side reactions and by products. again dichromate is soluble in water so no contamination.

you guys need confidence in yourselves, you may not really know what i'm talking about but I don't know the difference between a dumbell and a barbell, we all have areas of expertise, i'm sure i could go workout at a gym and come out alive just as you would coming into my world.

anyone who is considering something like this should pm me there are very sympathetic chemical suppliers out there, i of course know them all.
 
yes you can use the anhydride and that is in fact the premier way to go, but i triple do dare you to order propanoyl anhydride in the united states, even acetic anhydride is hot. If you go with the carboxylic acid it works but is longer reaction, plus you can form the acyl chloride from the acid which in pyridine is in my opinion just as good as the anhydride

Yeah I was thinking the acyl chloride should work as well...and in pyridine you get the pyridine HCl instead of having to worry about generating HCl gas.
Haha I love your posts dude.
And yeah...definitely do NOT try to order acetic anhydride....used in the manufacture of heroin, and even small amounts are reportable.
 
I'm glad you brought up the thing about my comment on using a carboxylic acid to form an ester. \this is really an equilibrium reaction and the products are only slightly favoured so a huge excess of an expensive and dangerous to obtain material like propionic acid would need to be employed and still you would get lots of unreacted material that has really only some type of preparative chromatography as a means of separation being that the solubilities are the same.
Propionic calcium salt is available easily on ebay, this can be acidified and distilled at low temp, then chlorinated with Nchlorosuccinamide or chlorine gas or thionyl chloride etc.. its a bit of work but done in decent amount you only do it once.
still it makes more sense to use acetyl chloride, it would form test acetate, themost expensive of the test esters. for what reason i have no clue. vinegar flavoured testosterone.



Yeah I was thinking the acyl chloride should work as well...and in pyridine you get the pyridine HCl instead of having to worry about generating HCl gas.
Haha I love your posts dude.
And yeah...definitely do NOT try to order acetic anhydride....used in the manufacture of heroin, and even small amounts are reportable.
 
Thank you for an interesting post!

I have i few questions...
1. How to buy DHEA in Canada? ( It is controlled here, right?)
2. Do you know any synthesis of oxandrolone from DHEa or any over precursor, thich is not a controlled substance?
 
Bremac,
Great Post! We need more information like this available to all - knowledge is power!

How about using potassium permanganate for the oxidation reagent?

Please send me a pm with your contact info.

P.S. Sodium Borohydride and acetic anhydride along with many common reducing reagents are on the DEA watch list due to potential for use in METH manufacture.
 
Ok, I was wondering if the acetic acid is to esterfy the test? This would be for test-acetate then? If so would you also be able to esterfy into a different test from switching the chems?
 
I know this post is old but I was curious if anyone knows if the first part of this reaction gives off any toxic gas or bad smells? I would be worried about doing it in my kitchen...

I am also curious about the risks. Sodium borohydride is dangerous right? Is there any risk of causing an explosion with it? For example, what happens if it goes over 40 degrees by mistake?

Would we ever be able to use our coffee machines again after the milk frother has been dipped in chemicals?

Does anyone have an understanding of the second part of the reaction? Manganese dioxide is easy enough to buy but I don't want to be making nitric acid in my kitchen. How does the other way of activating it work? The author mentions another reaction with easier to find ingredients like benzene, but no detailed instructions.

I am asking out of curiosity only of course. My test is prescribed legally. I am just curious to know how easy and cheap it is to make.

How does this differ if you wanted to make a different steroid? Are we talking another step, or a slightly different 2nd step?

Does 5 androstenediol have any value if you don't want to do the second step? I know people used to sell it as a supplement before the government went crazy. If it works like an anabolic steroid then the first step seems easy, quick and not beyond the skill and patience of non-chemist. Stirring anything for six hours seems like too much without a machine to do it for you. I guess a cheap kitchen mixer would work...
 
Hello I'm a new member and I also love chemistry.:)Dude I'm not a cop or anything, but for you to have came out with this you must really be awesome and adaptive, but there is stuff missing please if you're ever able to redo the experimentation with more details on how its done, what is used and if you could record a video of the process from scratch and sent it to my personal email [email protected] I would really love it. I wont mass produce the stuff its just for the science of it I'm a chemistry student and I also participate in home made experiments for my university. Every time I make my little experiments I like recording the stuff just like Nerd Rage. I've wanted to do this type of lab for about a year. but before I start buying and synthesizing for example pure nitric acid.
Its just for the science not to be abused. I know aim asking a lot because we don't know each other. But I'm asking man to man. philosopher to philosopher. Thank you for youre time and sorry for writing so much hahahahahahaha:):)
 
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