ninjitsu

[Tom Treutlein]

God I love this board, and this thread. Bam was a crackhead, but all this discussion of strikes and thai kicks and countering them and such...very nice. Informative shit.

 

[Bam]

bam... Howcome none of the ninjitsu masters has come to take the belt at Pride or UFC ? One that did try got his ass handed to him by a Muay Thai guy in less the 2 minutes.

I don't know who you are refering to above but I can say that we (Ninjutsu practiotioners) are not concerned with "Prooving" our skills, We do what is needed at the time. We do not condone the sensless waste of time and energy consumed in tournements.

As I said and Digger agreed with, If I have control of the timing and distance than I have won before the physical attack happens. It's called awarness.

There are "Great Fighters" in many arts but you miss the point, Ninjutsu practioneers are not training to learn how to fight. We train to end the conflict with as little damage as possible. This is the mark of a "True Master".

 

[Bam]

God I love this board, and this thread. Bam was a crackhead, but all this discussion of strikes and thai kicks and countering them and such...very nice. Informative shit.

Cute but I do not use any kind of drugs.

 

[Bam]

I agree debaser, I think the old bammer may have taken too many hits off of the ol' crack pipe. While he is out there training with the "true master" and scaring knife wielding attackers off with his stern voice, there are those of us that are actually acquiring real self defense knowledge. Many ninjiutsu pros have come to my bjj/muay thai school and found themselves tapping with glee, and signing a contract to learn how to really protect themselves. While bambam is busy readying his CHI to try and scare people he will have found himself laying in a bloody heap wondering why he did not take up a more effective martial art that can be used in real life practical situations. I do not make these assumptions from believing that my art is superior to yours, I make this statement in truth because I have studied several martial arts, including ninjiutsu, and hold significant rank in all of them except ninjiutsu because the art is not very practical or effective at all, If you need my credintials I can post them gladly, or you could come to my school and witness what real effective martial arts look like.

Credentials mean nothing...
I don't announce my rank because I have seen basic students win against so called "Black Belts". What is inside the warrior is what counts...

Like it or not!

 

[digger]

Hey, Tom -- basta ya with the crackhead stuff, okay? Give respect, get respect, and don't tease the handicapped or they'll whap you with their canes.

Discussion of mechanics is hard; it's often difficult to put a technique into words. Look at the trouble I had following that simple "block with your own leg bent." I focussed on the knee I wanted to break, and didn't realize the conversation had switched to blocking with a knee.

Anyway, do we need yet another Muay Thai thread? Give the ninjas a little space!

Hey, what about squad tactics? We've touched on "what do you do when it's two on one" but what about three-on-two or four-on-three?

If two guys jump you while you're with your gf, is she baggage, a hostage, or someone who can cover your back? Sneaky is good.

 

[Bam]

Hey, Tom -- basta ya with the crackhead stuff, okay? Give respect, get respect, and don't tease the handicapped or they'll whap you with their canes.

Discussion of mechanics is hard; it's often difficult to put a technique into words. Look at the trouble I had following that simple "block with your own leg bent." I focussed on the knee I wanted to break, and didn't realize the conversation had switched to blocking with a knee.

Anyway, do we need yet another Muay Thai thread? Give the ninjas a little space!

Hey, what about squad tactics? We've touched on "what do you do when it's two on one" but what about three-on-two or four-on-three?

If two guys jump you while you're with your gf, is she baggage, a hostage, or someone who can cover your back? Sneaky is good.

Hey Digger Thanks again,

I am also a pilot of small aircraft and a comercial pilot who teaches Hot Air Ballooning. There is a saying...

Any landing you walk away from is a good one...

 

[Mr.HeavyDuty]

Bravo!!!! Bravo for the fool that knows it all. Sometimes space and controlling the timing are luxuries that most people in street encounters often do not have, but I guess with your extensive knowledge of no real contact waste of time tornaments and jumping out of trees with the masters in your 2 toed shoes you already know that. Digger, maybe you ought to go and experience a little Thai before you figure out a real good block that would not break your hand in the process. Though, you could probably enter one of those stern talking ninja courses and probably scare any one away from an encounter by just speaking firm at them with strong chi. By the way bam, I have never witnessed a white belt who knows nothing at all beat a Thai guy or BJJ guy.............EVER! Your rank is irrelavant anyway flyboy, your art is ineffective, but if you enjoy it that is all that counts in my book, but don't be surprised by the landing that you will take the next time you are unable to gather your chi in time to scare off an unwanted attacker.

 

[digger]

My first judo instructor told us "Some guy comes after you with a knife, don't put on fancy wristlock to impress your girlfriend. Hit him with a chair! Knock him out! Then you can show off, put on fancy wristlock."

H-D, I stay out of bars and I don't try to pick up other guy's chickiebabes. You won't win any bragging rights by kicking a fat old guy around the block. Okay? I don't think of ninjitsu the way Bam does. I think of it as a search for real-world solutions to problems. Screw the walking sideways and thinking like a tree -- but improvised weapons? Sign me up!

There is no doubt that MT is right up there in terms of one-on-one styles, but I'd still like to hear how you'd hook up a couple of bros to watch each others' backs. Does MT ever go beyond two guys in the ring?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Ok... Muay Thai will not teach you to handle 3-4 opponents, or to guard against weapons. But is will put you in a position where you are already way ahead of the game in striking, even against guy with MA experience. Muay Thai is only one part of the package. a good compliments of some BJJ, Arnis and maybe Krav Maga can complete the package.

PS: There are one and two week courses you can take all about close quarter fighting and defending against weapons.

My first judo instructor told us "Some guy comes after you with a knife, don't put on fancy wristlock to impress your girlfriend. Hit him with a chair! Knock him out! Then you can show off, put on fancy wristlock."

H-D, I stay out of bars and I don't try to pick up other guy's chickiebabes. You won't win any bragging rights by kicking a fat old guy around the block. Okay? I don't think of ninjitsu the way Bam does. I think of it as a search for real-world solutions to problems. Screw the walking sideways and thinking like a tree -- but improvised weapons? Sign me up!

There is no doubt that MT is right up there in terms of one-on-one styles, but I'd still like to hear how you'd hook up a couple of bros to watch each others' backs. Does MT ever go beyond two guys in the ring?

 

[ManOfArms]

Not exactly. If you know about feudalism (Lords, knights, peasants) the samurai were the equivalent of European knights. Because of the cost to arm and armor them, they were quite literally the equivalent of today's army tanks. A samurai could lose his master and become a 'ronin' but it would be almost impossible for him to fall so far down the social ladder that he would become a ninja.

That's because ninjas were an entirely different social caste, almost like the Indian "untouchables." Many of them were literally outhouse cleaners. Because they had no social standing, they could go places no one else would go and do things that were literally unthinkable to the rest of society. (Example: Hide in an outhouse, right down in the raw waste, and stab your victim from beneath while he's doing his business.)

A ninja who finds himself fighting anyone has flunked ninja school. Ninjutsu is about sneaking into a secure location and assassinating an unprepared victim. Escape and evasion may be involved, but are secondary to completing the mission.

was that a quote? I read that somewhere a very long time ago...