ninjitsu

[digger]

You have to understand that while you're there looking at Bam and wondering what planet he's from, his wife is sneaking up behind you with a frying pan.

Substitute "gypsy" for "ninja" if helps you think outside the box. Would you expect a gypsy to stand up and box with you? Hell, no. He'd throw dust in your eyes, pull out a razor, sic a monkey on you, do any and all kinds of offbeat stuff that no dojo would ever think of covering. (I first heard of muay thai in the Modesty Blaise books, and she used a documented ninja trick -- she flashed her tits at the bad guys while her partner snuck up behind them. Called it "The Nailer." Might keep that in mind next time some chickiebabe gives you a free peek.)

What "mechanics" a ninja would use to defend against a thai kick, I have no idea, but messing with your timing and changing the distance are both no-brainers. Are your knees anywhere near as tough as your shins? It's a small target, but a broken knee's a fight-ender and you're giving the defender a lot of force to work with.

And what self-respecting ninja strikes with an empty hand? The world is full of rusty nails and broken glass.

 

[Debaser]

Err...this doesn't sound like "ki" or the "infinite" or being a "true warrior" has much to do with it. Sounds like fighting dirty to me. That's all well and good, but he's not an actual ninja, he's just defending ninjitsu.

By the way, how the hell is he going to break a knee from a Thai kick?

 

[digger]

Err...this doesn't sound like "ki" or the "infinite" or being a "true warrior" has much to do with it. Sounds like fighting dirty to me.

NOW you got it!

Funny, I've heard Bam's "origin of ninjitsu" before, but it was supposed to be the origin of karate on Okinawa: "The Japanese have taken our swords, our spears, our knives. What of that? We shall make every arm a sword, every leg a spear, every hand a knife."

That's all well and good, but he's not an actual ninja, he's just defending ninjitsu.

By the way, how the hell is he going to break a knee from a Thai kick?

I don't claim to know anything about his nine schools.

How would I do it? Uh...

A shin kick is "like a baseball bat," almost straight-legged, right? You're in closer than a karate kick, of course, because you're striking with the shin, not the foot. But you're not in a clinch. You set the distance, twist from the hip, give it all you've got, watch your opponent fall over twitching.

Okay, my goal is to close that gap slightly so your shin doesn't get to use me as a landing pad, and instead catch you with a knife hand, palm heel, elbow, whatever -- right below the knee cap. You're providing all the force, you see? I'm just providing a fulcrum where you don't want one.

Just a theory. If it is "against the rules" I'd consider that a warning sign.

(Ever see "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"? "No rules in a knife fight!")

 

[Debaser]

Okay, my goal is to close that gap slightly so your shin doesn't get to use me as a landing pad, and instead catch you with a knife hand, palm heel, elbow, whatever -- right below the knee cap. You're providing all the force, you see? I'm just providing a fulcrum where you don't want one.

I'm not sure how that would work...I don't think you realize how fast these kicks come out, any effort on your part to close the distance simply means you're going to just get hit on a higher portion of my shin.

Also, with the angle of the kick, I'm not sure how you would accomplish it anyway. You'd wind up just getting your hand broken.

 

[DANABOLIC55]

NOW you got it!

Funny, I've heard Bam's "origin of ninjitsu" before, but it was supposed to be the origin of karate on Okinawa: "The Japanese have taken our swords, our spears, our knives. What of that? We shall make every arm a sword, every leg a spear, every hand a knife."



I don't claim to know anything about his nine schools.

How would I do it? Uh...

A shin kick is "like a baseball bat," almost straight-legged, right? You're in closer than a karate kick, of course, because you're striking with the shin, not the foot. But you're not in a clinch. You set the distance, twist from the hip, give it all you've got, watch your opponent fall over twitching.

Okay, my goal is to close that gap slightly so your shin doesn't get to use me as a landing pad, and instead catch you with a knife hand, palm heel, elbow, whatever -- right below the knee cap. You're providing all the force, you see? I'm just providing a fulcrum where you don't want one.

Just a theory. If it is "against the rules" I'd consider that a warning sign.

(Ever see "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"? "No rules in a knife fight!")

If it's thrown right, the leg is slightly bent-making it hard to hyper extend the knee. Also, the kick is usually thrown in combo with fists first-making it hard to see. The best way to block the Thai kick is to destroy it. Destroy it by bending the knee at a harsher angle -heel to hamstring. The shin will hit the bone like a ball ping hammer. It's a dirty muay thai technique.

 

[digger]

I'm not sure how that would work...I don't think you realize how fast these kicks come out, any effort on your part to close the distance simply means you're going to just get hit on a higher portion of my shin.

Didn't think it would be easy... that's where timing comes into it. Distance and timing -- that's what 'boxing' style arts like MT teach, and one of the things that makes them so practical.

Conditioning is another, of course.

Also, with the angle of the kick, I'm not sure how you would accomplish it anyway. You'd wind up just getting your hand broken.

Yeah, but I can still run with a broken hand. Going to have to check out Rick's school, I suspect. Video just doesn't convey the flavor.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

bam... Howcome none of the ninjitsu masters has come to take the belt at Pride or UFC ? One that did try got his ass handed to him by a Muay Thai guy in less the 2 minutes.


Debaser:
Best way to block a leg kick is to raise your leg at a 45 degree angle and block with your shin. If block you two consecutive leg kicks... take a step back since the next one is mostlikely going to come in at your head. Whatever you do, never take a kick to the leg with your leg straight or your feet firmly planted. even if you don't get your shin at the right angle it is better for that kick to connect while your foot is off the ground with no weight on it than while you've got your center of gravity set on it.

 

[digger]

If it's thrown right, the leg is slightly bent-making it hard to hyper extend the knee.

Yeah, that is obviously important.

Also, the kick is usually thrown in combo with fists first-making it hard to see. The best way to block the Thai kick is to destroy it. Destroy it by bending the knee at a harsher angle -heel to hamstring. The shin will hit the bone like a ball ping hammer. It's a dirty muay thai technique.

I'm having a little trouble visualizing that. You're forcing a hyperflexion somehow instead of hyperextention?

 

[DANABOLIC55]

Yeah, that is obviously important.


I'm having a little trouble visualizing that. You're forcing a hyperflexion somehow instead of hyperextention?

no not really. you are blocking it like normal. but instead of offering up your shin to get kicked, you simply bend your leg more to where your heel is almost touching your ass. the kicker then strikes the bent knee instead of the shin. it causes mucho pain even to the most conditioned of shins. I know it's hard to visualize but it's really simple and easy-but damn effective.

 

[Debaser]

Debaser:
Best way to block a leg kick is to raise your leg at a 45 degree angle and block with your shin. If block you two consecutive leg kicks... take a step back since the next one is mostlikely going to come in at your head. Whatever you do, never take a kick to the leg with your leg straight or your feet firmly planted. even if you don't get your shin at the right angle it is better for that kick to connect while your foot is off the ground with no weight on it than while you've got your center of gravity set on it.

Oh yeah I know how to block it...I was just asking for an explanation when people were saying they'd simply deflect it or counter it with ninjitsu.