ninjitsu

[Tom Treutlein]

Damn you two. Now I have to see both of those.

 

[Debaser]

Well bam, no offense but if you're talking about throwing off someone's emotional balance, you should understand how the psyche works. A person can run the gamut from a permeable emotional state (letting emotions/feeling in) to a fully rigid state. This rigid state is what allows special forces, army, SWAT teams etc. to separate their emotions from the situation.

When in a fight, you are in that rigid state. Nothing you say to me is going to throw me off balance emotionally. Who are you trying to kid here--have you ever been in a real fight? Someone with the intent to assault, stab, club or whatever would doubtfully give you time to speak, let ALONE listen to a damn thing you have to say.

Let's take some other things into consideration. Military personnel, special forces, etc. NEED to be able to use hand-to-hand combat techniques in order to SURVIVE. They encounter this stuff as part of their CAREER. So don't you think they've delved into every martial art, every modality, researched everything so that they can have the best possible survival rate? Now I ask, how many of these guys are taught techniques based on CHI? Don't you think they would be taught WHAT WORKS?! Now who would you trust to be more knowledgeable in the field of combat:

1. Someone who actually encounters situations where optimal training is a necessity for survival, on a day to day basis.

2. A spiritual chi master who plays with hot air baloons that goes to a weekend warrior McDojo class in a strip mall.

I rest my case. You either get it or you don't. I hope you never have to defend a loved one in a REAL situation, because reality seems to be the farthest thing from your mind.

 

[digger]

Nothing you say to me is going to throw me off balance emotionally.

Not even your sergeant or captain yelling "STAND DOWN!" ?

I'm playing a little bit of devil's advocate here, but I've got a nephew in the Marines. He sends me notes every so often about guys he knows personally who are collecting medals, and you better believe I want him to be hard as the edge of a knife. So, there will be no disrespect for your postion coming from me.

Thing is, a G.I. who's serving an enlistment is like a mass-produced weapon. There's a difference in his skill level, not unlike the difference between an M-16 and a match rifle. He's effective, no argument there. He has to be "good enough." But is he everything that a warrior, or a human, can be?

Did O Sensei Uyeshiba (the creator of aikido) really walk unscathed through a room full of people trying to grab and throw him? The people who were there claim it was like trying to grab smoke. You think you could have taken him?

Did they all hold back because they didn't want to hurt the old guy? I don't know.

I rest my case. You either get it or you don't. I hope you never have to defend a loved one in a REAL situation

A-fuckin-men. I hold that hope for all of us, whether your chosen art is muay thai, aikido, krag mata, or S&W.

 

[Bam]

Well bam, no offense but if you're talking about throwing off someone's emotional balance, you should understand how the psyche works. A person can run the gamut from a permeable emotional state (letting emotions/feeling in) to a fully rigid state. This rigid state is what allows special forces, army, SWAT teams etc. to separate their emotions from the situation.

When in a fight, you are in that rigid state. Nothing you say to me is going to throw me off balance emotionally. Who are you trying to kid here--have you ever been in a real fight? Someone with the intent to assault, stab, club or whatever would doubtfully give you time to speak, let ALONE listen to a damn thing you have to say.

Let's take some other things into consideration. Military personnel, special forces, etc. NEED to be able to use hand-to-hand combat techniques in order to SURVIVE. They encounter this stuff as part of their CAREER. So don't you think they've delved into every martial art, every modality, researched everything so that they can have the best possible survival rate? Now I ask, how many of these guys are taught techniques based on CHI? Don't you think they would be taught WHAT WORKS?! Now who would you trust to be more knowledgeable in the field of combat:

1. Someone who actually encounters situations where optimal training is a necessity for survival, on a day to day basis.

2. A spiritual chi master who plays with hot air baloons that goes to a weekend warrior McDojo class in a strip mall.

I rest my case. You either get it or you don't. I hope you never have to defend a loved one in a REAL situation, because reality seems to be the farthest thing from your mind.

Actually it's a combination of both. I know you guys think that I am interested in only the spiritual aspect of this conversation but I too have trained with Navy seals and army rangers. And I am fully aware of the posibilities in a confrontation. I have spent many hours/Days/Weeks/Years training with every sort of bladed weapon as well as handguns. We have focused on dis-arming methods and I have expirence in Akido,Kenjutsu,Iaido and Suwari Waza (Ground Fighting) skills. We have worked on knife and sherikan throwing. One of my favorite weapons is the Kusari Fundo, This a weapon made of a small diameter chain with weights on each end. The weapon fits around ones waist under a belt and can be whipped out in a second becoming a very serious weapon for offense or defense. I make no claim at being a master in any but expirenced in all.

One thing's for sure and that is like Digger said, To keep every opportunity in mind. Every object within reach is a possible weapon weather it is me or someone else that has access to it. The most deadly weapon of all is the mind. Some use it and some don't.

I have walked on hot coals on several different occasions without ever being burnt. Both my wife and I walked on the fire and we also have both bent steel re-bar on our throats. If I can walk on 2000 degree coals I think I can command enough mental focus to withstand an attack and to use the skills I have develloped over the years.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Your wife did that? Holy fuck.

 

[Bam]

Your wife did that? Holy fuck.

You Bet!!

She is Hawaiian and I am the Howlie

 

[Bam]

Pretty much on the money. Ninjitsu is also not a single art but a name given to a few diferent arts that come together to create a "Ninja".

Nin by the way means "Nothingness" or "Zero" and Ja means one who follows.

 

[Mr.HeavyDuty]

So bam, you are training with Rangers and Seals. I think that is great, I am out here helping give seminars to the troops and police officers. I am helping teach our troops more effective self defense and hand to hand combat to use in war. What does your art contribute to society? Seriously. Hot coals are cool bro, but they do not get up and fight back and threaten you. It has no real bearing on a street fight or self defense situation. Sure you can keep your mental focus when it comes to a dead non living organism, but what about the real deal?

 

[JoNeS]

Isn't Ninjitsu the style van damne (frank dux) used in the movie Blood sport? That is supposed to be a true story and apparently that guy went undefeated in the full contact event the kumite for like 5 years.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I love that movie. I didn't think it was Ninjitsu. Either way, great fuckin' film.