My SARMS-S4 Experience

[mrplunkey]

Mods: I started this thread in the AAS section. I wasn't sure if it belonged in one of the subcategories.

Stats: 42 years old, 6'3", 255-260 lbs (varies).

- First cycle in Sept 2004
- Have done seven cycles since
- Limited experience with Deca, Winny, EQ and Var
- Prefer lowish-dose (i.e. 300 mg/week) test eth cycles

- Finished latest cycle on 12/04/2009
- 300 mg/week test ethanate for 10 weeks
- mixed 20-40 mg var/day during weeks 1-6
- PCT with HCG only; 1000 units/day for 6 days in a row
- PCT complete on 12/21/2009

- Lipostim 3 1/day
- Aspirin 81 mg/day
- Unleashed 3 capsules/day
- 5g creatine monohydrate/day
- Amplify 8 capsules pre-workout

Started SARMS-S4 (100 mg/ml) at 50 mg/day one day after completion of PCT.

Current lifts as of three days ago:

- Decline bench: 315 x 6
- Military press (with complete back support): 275 x 3; 295 x 1
- Deadlift TBD -- messed my back up and really don't want to load it ATM
- Box Squat TBD -- I've been using different height boxes. Will standardize and report results

- Pictures as of 12/23/2009:

Goal: Keep 100% of cycle gains and maintain relatively low BF%. Ideally, I'd like to even increase in strength.

I'll keep you guys posted.

 

[mrplunkey]

12/22/2009

First dose @ 50 mg. Did it all in the afternoon in a single dose.

It's kind of oily and hard to measure from dropper. I used syringe with needle removed an made a mess with the luer lock.

I did feel a little queezy and wierd (almost like a caffeine buzz) about 30-45 mins after administration. It tastes bad and the taste lingers a suprisingly long time.

 

[mrplunkey]

12/22/2009

Second day dose split @ 2 x 25 mg. Did first dose in the morning and still felt a little "off". Took second dose in afternoon and did not feel the least bit queezy.

Hint: Use flax seed or omega oil to rinse, flush or dilute the syringe you use for the SARMS. It's oily and the 100 mg stuff is just viscous enough to make it hard to work with. Barlean's Strawberry-Bananna Omega Three Oil makes the taste completely go away.

 

[truckdaddy]

following, this will be the best PCT you have ever had. Its great alone, so I know you will keep whatever gains you made.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Just put it in a gel cap and swallow it.

 

[OMEGA]

Wow MR P you look great

You should do Well~

ON paper the S4 is suppost to work and work well, and also from some feedback I have seen.

As far As LipoStim up the dose in the AM

and try add 1 cap with your Amplify 02 dose as well ( just to make sure fat is kept at bay)

if you feel your geetin puffy at all just add a low dose AI, that with Unleashed should keep you dry

 

[jacshelb]

Good luck man! I think you'll like your results! I always do! I was surprised by the strength and size I kept.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

looking forward to the results.

 

[ceo]

looking forward to this!

 

[needtogetaas]

Mods: I started this thread in the AAS section. I wasn't sure if it belonged in one of the subcategories.

Stats: 42 years old, 6'3", 255-260 lbs (varies).

- First cycle in Sept 2004
- Have done seven cycles since
- Limited experience with Deca, Winny, EQ and Var
- Prefer lowish-dose (i.e. 300 mg/week) test eth cycles

- Finished latest cycle on 12/04/2009
- 300 mg/week test ethanate for 10 weeks
- mixed 20-40 mg var/day during weeks 1-6
- PCT with HCG only; 1000 units/day for 6 days in a row
- PCT complete on 12/21/2009

- Lipostim 3 1/day
- Aspirin 81 mg/day
- Unleashed 3 capsules/day
- 5g creatine monohydrate/day
- Amplify 8 capsules pre-workout

Started SARMS-S4 (100 mg/ml) at 50 mg/day one day after completion of PCT.

Current lifts as of three days ago:

- Decline bench: 315 x 6
- Military press (with complete back support): 275 x 3; 295 x 1
- Deadlift TBD -- messed my back up and really don't want to load it ATM
- Box Squat TBD -- I've been using different height boxes. Will standardize and report results

- Pictures as of 12/23/2009:

Goal: Keep 100% of cycle gains and maintain relatively low BF%. Ideally, I'd like to even increase in strength.

I'll keep you guys posted.

god damn plank!!!!!!!!!! why didn't you tell me you where in bad as shape even for a young guy let alone your age. Fuck man you look great.

 

[truckdaddy]

yeah, you look great!

 

[cop]

do you take finasteride with your test cycles????

 

[mrplunkey]

do you take finasteride with your test cycles????

I used to. After my first cycle in 2004 (200mg cyp/week) I had a shock fallout (tellogen effluvium) and it scared me to death. Then I shed a little on Winny and that scared me even more. I started taking finesteride during my cycles but stopped about two years ago.

I really didn't like the finesteride and stopped taking it for the last three years. It hurt my sex drive and I also noticed a significant loss of muscle hardness. Since I stopped taking it, I haven't lost a hair since.

The one thing I learned from the entire experience is to recognize the difference between shock fallouts and miniaturization. If the hairs on your scalp are getting finer and finer, then you probably have male pattern baldness (androgenic allopecia). If the hairs on your scalp periodically fall out but grow back looking just like the hairs on the sides and back of your head, you've just had a one-time shock fallout (tellogen effluvium).

 

[Nitro79]

nice looking man

 

[mrplunkey]

Thanks all.

I'm coasting right now because I'm sure I have the trailing edge of the test ethanate in my system along with HCG. I remember reading that HCG is effective for 5-8 days after injection so we should start see what the SARMS-S4 does in a few weeks. My normal post-cycle losses start about 4-6 weeks after my last injection. I've discontinued all armidex for now, because I want to see if I get any bloat.

12/24/2009: Did a 25mg dose early AM and did a 35mg (or so) dose mid-afternoon. No queezyness at all anymore. I'm beginning to doubt it was even the SARMS-S4 in the first place.

Solid day in the gym though. Steep incline press 315 x 2; 315 x 2; 315 x 3; 335 x 1

I'm going to start posting a few videos, but I want to wait until the gym is closer to empty.

 

[crulexis]

Looking good man, def interested in your results

 

[crulexis]

I'm also interested in your previous Test 300/ Var cycle .. How was that for you? I've always wanted to know if using such low doses is worth it

 

[Drewb]

Nice! Looking forward to the results.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm also interested in your previous Test 300/ Var cycle .. How was that for you? I've always wanted to know if using such low doses is worth it

I really like low-dose cycles, but my goals are a little different. At 42, a little goes a long way. Also, I absolutely swear by HGH. I looooove the stuff. I do 2.4 IU's of Genotropin Mini-Quicks 2x/day for five days on and two days off. To an old fart like me, HGH is a godsend. The anavar may all be in my head though, as I normally use it early in my cycle while I wait for the ethanate to kick-in.

Typically I do ten weeks with one shot of 300mg ethanate/week (I know that's considered stretching ethanate). Around week three, I add 0.5mg of armidex EoD (which I also know is controversial). But here are my goals: I want to be able to wear business clothes and not look like a football player. I also want to have decent strength in the gym, but I sure don't need to be the strongest guy.

I did learn something important during my last cycle. In the past, as soon as I did my first shot I started this "the clock is ticking" mentality where I tried to kill myself in the gym and I ate everything in sight. So by week eight or nine I would be burned-out, tired of stuffing myself, plagued with nagging little injuries and generally tired due to restless sleep. This time, I actually cut-back on calories around week five or six (but I sure didn't starve myself). Sure enough, the test ethanate kept me nitrogen positive and I didn't lose much muscle (if any). But for the first week or so after I cut calories, I thought the world was going to end. I lost big numbers (i.e. 10% strength) -- but they did come creeping back. Between weeks 5 and 9, I went from 270 lbs to 255 lbs.

Here's the other thing I finally took into consideration: Stress. I know most people don't have the luxury to do this, but I'd workout mid-day, drink a post-workout drink and then go straight home and rest for a minimum of 20 minutes (normally more like 40-60). I rarely fell asleep, but I almost always stayed flat on my back the entire time. I also started using Lunesta and night, which helps me get better blocks of continuous sleep.

I suspect that in the past, I've really stressed myself out by trying to cram as much training into my cycle as possible. Going forward, I'd like to find the hormones, supplements (including SARMS-S4), training regimen and lifestyle that meets my goals yet is simple to maintain. That's the kicker -- is there a way to get the most benefit from an easy-to-implement program?

 

[Drewb]

Good stuff

 

[needtogetarmy]

Awesome post. I've been out of the loop but i am starting a cycle in January. I might try this.

 

[lookinfit75]

Plank you look sick and better than most guys half your age, CONGRATS! I am also one of the ones looking forward to reading up on your feedback about S4. Much luck to ya!

 

[Varga]

Nice progress P!
What I find too is that with the continuous use of HGH everything else I take a little goes a long way!

 

[mrplunkey]

12/26/2009:

Still taking SARMS-S4 2x 25mg/day. I haven't seen any of the vision side effects others have reported.

I'm in that sweet spot post-cycle where there's still test in your system and the HCG is stacked on top of it. Great day in the gym -- might be due to taking Christmas day off as well.

Historically I get very small but measurable gains around my PCT period. The first two weeks after my last shot are normally great. If history repeats itself, I should level-off around January 4 and begin losing some of my on-cycle strength around January 18. It's too early to say anything about the SARMS-S4 right now, but mid to late January should be telling.

In hindsight, I probably discontinued the arimidex a few days too soon. There's no visible bloating, but I can feel a little bit of puffyness.

I probably won't post quite as frequently unless something interesting happens.

 

[RADAR]

Mods: I started this thread in the AAS section. I wasn't sure if it belonged in one of the subcategories.

Stats: 42 years old, 6'3", 255-260 lbs (varies).

- First cycle in Sept 2004
- Have done seven cycles since
- Limited experience with Deca, Winny, EQ and Var
- Prefer lowish-dose (i.e. 300 mg/week) test eth cycles

- Finished latest cycle on 12/04/2009
- 300 mg/week test ethanate for 10 weeks
- mixed 20-40 mg var/day during weeks 1-6
- PCT with HCG only; 1000 units/day for 6 days in a row
- PCT complete on 12/21/2009

- Lipostim 3 1/day
- Aspirin 81 mg/day
- Unleashed 3 capsules/day
- 5g creatine monohydrate/day
- Amplify 8 capsules pre-workout

Started SARMS-S4 (100 mg/ml) at 50 mg/day one day after completion of PCT.

Current lifts as of three days ago:

- Decline bench: 315 x 6
- Military press (with complete back support): 275 x 3; 295 x 1
- Deadlift TBD -- messed my back up and really don't want to load it ATM
- Box Squat TBD -- I've been using different height boxes. Will standardize and report results

- Pictures as of 12/23/2009:

Goal: Keep 100% of cycle gains and maintain relatively low BF%. Ideally, I'd like to even increase in strength.

I'll keep you guys posted.

Looking good there my man, i hopefully should have my hands on some sarms in about a week.
RADAR

 

[josenunes]

Just put it in a gel cap and swallow it.

good idea , but should I take it with or wihout food?

 

[Carlito B]

good idea , but should I take it with or wihout food?

I do not think it matters but I have done before is take it with a protein shake or some flax oil, I also tried it adding it on my salad dressing before and did not feel the taste, anyway if you are going to use 25mg per time which is 1/4 of the dropper is really a small amount.

As far as taking it with or without food it is already 91% orally bio available which is excellent for an oral compound comparing it to other drugs which are methylated and still do not reach 98% bioavailability.

Oh I forgot , you can also chase it down with grapefruit juice

C

 

[truckdaddy]

I do not think it matters but I have done before is take it with a protein shake or some flax oil, I also tried it adding it on my salad dressing before and did not feel the taste, anyway if you are going to use 25mg per time which is 1/4 of the dropper is really a small amount.

As far as taking it with or without food it is already 91% orally bio available which is excellent for an oral compound comparing it to other drugs which are methylated and still do not reach 98% bioavailability.

Oh I forgot , you can also chase it down with grapefruit juice

C

I started with theprotien shake...like it raw now

 

[Nitro79]

guess it's better to use the insulin syringe which have a capacity of 1 ml or 0.5 ml this way it's better to measure 0.25 ml for a 25 mg of sarms

 

[mrplunkey]

12/30/2009 Update

It's been 9ish days since my last shot of HCG. It's been a wild ride week -- the HCG broke me out a little bit and bloated me, but it wasn't that noticable. I felt it more than anyone could see it. I wish I had a pic of the bloat just for documentation purposes.

Here's a pic taken this morning. So I'm 26 days from my last ethanate shot, 9 days from my last HCG shot and 8 days into my first SARMS-S4 dose. I've definitely lost that testosterone-driven edge in the gym which is fine -- I can push through workouts. I haven't lost an ounce of strength so far (if anything, I've gotten stronger).

 

[Carlito B]

Seems like your muscles are slightly fuller and also see more definition or body recomp.

 

[truckdaddy]

12/30/2009 Update

It's been 9ish days since my last shot of HCG. It's been a wild ride week -- the HCG broke me out a little bit and bloated me, but it wasn't that noticable. I felt it more than anyone could see it. I wish I had a pic of the bloat just for documentation purposes.

Here's a pic taken this morning. So I'm 26 days from my last ethanate shot, 9 days from my last HCG shot and 8 days into my first SARMS-S4 dose. I've definitely lost that testosterone-driven edge in the gym which is fine -- I can push through workouts. I haven't lost an ounce of strength so far (if anything, I've gotten stronger).

your not going to loose any strength using the sarms. I think its going to become a staple for PCT.

 

[Carlito B]

your not going to loose any strength using the sarms. I think its going to become a staple for PCT.

I agree, I think Sarms-4 will be a must use ancilliary for PCT.

 

[ceo]

guess it's better to use the insulin syringe which have a capacity of 1 ml or 0.5 ml this way it's better to measure 0.25 ml for a 25 mg of sarms

except insulin syringes are measured in IUs...so get a TB syringe, which is 1cc and measured in ml/cc.

 

[ceo]

Seems like your muscles are slightly fuller and also see more definition or body recomp.

that is how it looks, probably just a little water going away. Either way, I like the fact that strength has stayed same or increased! Anxious to see the reults in weeks to come.

 

[Drewb]

Look great bro! Any vision sides? I'm 15 days in at 60mg of s4 with no noticable sides yet.

 

[mrplunkey]

Look great bro! Any vision sides? I'm 15 days in at 60mg of s4 with no noticable sides yet.

No vision sides at all. I've been a little jittery lately, but it's not traceable back to the SARMS-S4.

I took a day off today from everything (including lifting) just to do a soft reset. Tomorrow I'm going back on my full-bore suppliments and gym routine.

Hopefully I'll have a short iPhone video or two.

 

[lookinfit75]

Dude you look sick. I am just about sold hee hee. I guess I'll be gettin me some fairly soon for my coming PCT.

 

[truckdaddy]

except insulin syringes are measured in IUs...so get a TB syringe, which is 1cc and measured in ml/cc.

I have 1cc insulin syringe i use with the pin pulled out, it has 10-100units on it.

each 10 would be 10ngs correct? Meaning if I draw it out to the 30, that would be 30mg.

Love all the info being traded, good stuff!

 

[ceo]

I have 1cc insulin syringe i use with the pin pulled out, it has 10-100units on it.

each 10 would be 10ngs correct? Meaning if I draw it out to the 30, that would be 30mg.

Love all the info being traded, good stuff!

yes. But if you wanted to draw 25mg, it would be easier/more accurate to hit it on this:

it's 5 on one hand and half of ten on another though really.

 

[1500]

Echo all what has been said bro. You look great! Better than most doods I see mega dosing gear. You're doing things right. Great job!!!! old man A true testiment to hard work/eating right and doing things correctly!

 

[ChemWiz]

You look great, glad to hear you are not losing any strength. Sarms is a great compound. I was lucky enough to get my hands on it a little over a year ago. I am now a fan for life.

Im surprised it took so long to find its way to EF, better late than never.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I decided to get some. Keep us updated!

BTW How long do you plan on running the SARMs cycle?

I've seen some people run it 4 week and some 8. Assuming you do not lose any with each withdraw from the bottle, you can get roughly 8 weeks out of a 30ML 100mg/ml bottle @ 50mg a day.

 

[ChemWiz]

I decided to get some. Keep us updated!

you will be pleased! The taste is one that you will have to get used to!

 

[mrplunkey]

I decided to get some. Keep us updated!

BTW How long do you plan on running the SARMs cycle?

I've seen some people run it 4 week and some 8. Assuming you do not lose any with each withdraw from the bottle, you can get roughly 8 weeks out of a 30ML 100mg/ml bottle @ 50mg a day.

I'm going to go at least six weeks. If everything goes smoothly, I may go eight.

Long-term, ideally I can do a shorter (i.e. 6-8 weeks) test cycle, then 6-8 weeks of sarms, then clean-out for 2-3 weeks and repeat the entire loop. I'd love to stay in the 255-265 lb range but get a little bit stronger each cycle.

 

[jacshelb]

I'm currently using it during pct/bridge. I did a cycle of s4 (50-75mg/day 5 days/week) up to a cycle (8 weeks, 800mg/total weekly) then s4 again, then another cycle and now s4 again without a break/totally off. My testicles are right up to normal size, sex drive good, muscle and strength holding well, etc. I guess what I'm saying is that I like the s4! lol. And, I feel I am able to recover test production while using it. I keep more gains and still get the sex drive back as normal.

 

[needtogetaas]

Mods: I started this thread in the AAS section. I wasn't sure if it belonged in one of the subcategories.

Stats: 42 years old, 6'3", 255-260 lbs (varies).

- First cycle in Sept 2004
- Have done seven cycles since
- Limited experience with Deca, Winny, EQ and Var
- Prefer lowish-dose (i.e. 300 mg/week) test eth cycles

- Finished latest cycle on 12/04/2009
- 300 mg/week test ethanate for 10 weeks
- mixed 20-40 mg var/day during weeks 1-6
- PCT with HCG only; 1000 units/day for 6 days in a row
- PCT complete on 12/21/2009

- Lipostim 3 1/day
- Aspirin 81 mg/day
- Unleashed 3 capsules/day
- 5g creatine monohydrate/day
- Amplify 8 capsules pre-workout

Started SARMS-S4 (100 mg/ml) at 50 mg/day one day after completion of PCT.

Current lifts as of three days ago:

- Decline bench: 315 x 6
- Military press (with complete back support): 275 x 3; 295 x 1
- Deadlift TBD -- messed my back up and really don't want to load it ATM
- Box Squat TBD -- I've been using different height boxes. Will standardize and report results

- Pictures as of 12/23/2009:

Goal: Keep 100% of cycle gains and maintain relatively low BF%. Ideally, I'd like to even increase in strength.

I'll keep you guys posted.

you look good

 

[mrplunkey]

01-02-2010:

I had been having off-and-on workouts the past few days, but in retrospect I think it was a combination of holiday travel, strange gyms and a mild bug. I got through the workouts, but I did lose some of that testosterone-based drive you get in the gym.

By yesterday I was right back onto my lifting schedule and today was great as well. Here's the kicker -- all the test/hcg bloat is out of my system for sure. I weighed today in workout clothes (w/shoes) and was 248 lbs. That's lighter than I've been in 1-2 years.

In the gym I might have lost a very small amount of strength, but it's within the margin of variation I normally have from day-to-day. Considering that I'm at least 7 pounds lighter, it's incredible that I haven't lost more strength. My maxes normally track my body weight very accurately -- I can usually guess my weight based on what I lift. Before I weighed today, I even told a friend in the gym that I'd guess my weight at 260 lbs, so you can imagine how suprised I was to be 248 lbs.

I'm quite pleased with SARMS-S4 right now. If this trend continues, I'm going to be giddy.

One other interesting observation is sex drive. My last HCG shot was almost two weeks ago and my last test ethanate shot was almost a month ago. I'm still getting woken-up with hardons in the morning. No, not waking up with hardons -- the damn wood is waking me up. It's remarkably similar to being on cycle. I don't know if it's the SARMS-S4 or the Unleashed or some combination, but those are the only two possible sources. Nothing else I'm taking has any androgenic properties whatsoever.

 

[truckdaddy]

01-02-2010:

I had been having off-and-on workouts the past few days, but in retrospect I think it was a combination of holiday travel, strange gyms and a mild bug. I got through the workouts, but I did lose some of that testosterone-based drive you get in the gym.

By yesterday I was right back onto my lifting schedule and today was great as well. Here's the kicker -- all the test/hcg bloat is out of my system for sure. I weighed today in workout clothes (w/shoes) and was 248 lbs. That's lighter than I've been in 1-2 years.

In the gym I might have lost a very small amount of strength, but it's within the margin of variation I normally have from day-to-day. Considering that I'm at least 7 pounds lighter, it's incredible that I haven't lost more strength. My maxes normally track my body weight very accurately -- I can usually guess my weight based on what I lift. Before I weighed today, I even told a friend in the gym that I'd guess my weight at 260 lbs, so you can imagine how suprised I was to be 248 lbs.

I'm quite pleased with SARMS-S4 right now. If this trend continues, I'm going to be giddy.

One other interesting observation is sex drive. My last HCG shot was almost two weeks ago and my last test ethanate shot was almost a month ago. I'm still getting woken-up with hardons in the morning. No, not waking up with hardons -- the damn wood is waking me up. It's remarkably similar to being on cycle. I don't know if it's the SARMS-S4 or the Unleashed or some combination, but those are the only two possible sources. Nothing else I'm taking has any androgenic properties whatsoever.

I find that the s4 gives my libido a boost, and that is a good thing coming off cycle.

Keep the info coming.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Great journal mate .

Brad.


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[crulexis]

Amazing results so far man.. Keep us posted

 

[truckdaddy]

Amazing results so far man.. Keep us posted

I agree, keep it coming

 

[needtogetarmy]

Plunky, did you get blood done before the cycle? Do you plan on getting blood work done after the cycle?

I went through the SARMs posts here on EF looking to see if anyone got blood work done and came up with nothing. I would like to see what this does to a blood profile. I haven't seen any research or posts on this.

 

[mrplunkey]

Plunky, did you get blood done before the cycle? Do you plan on getting blood work done after the cycle?

I went through the SARMs posts here on EF looking to see if anyone got blood work done and came up with nothing. I would like to see what this does to a blood profile. I haven't seen any research or posts on this.

I'm going to get bloodowork done mid to late January. Probably exactly four or six weeks after starting SARMS.

My last cycle (ended early December) was physician-prescribed, so I'll ask for follow-up bloodwork to see if I've restarted my own production. If the numbers come-up crazy, I'm going to blame it on "some suppliments some guy at the gym gave me".

I've got a plan!

 

[needtogetarmy]

I'm going to get bloodowork done mid to late January. Probably exactly four or six weeks after starting SARMS.

My last cycle (ended early December) was physician-prescribed, so I'll ask for follow-up bloodwork to see if I've restarted my own production. If the numbers come-up crazy, I'm going to blame it on "some suppliments some guy at the gym gave me".

I've got a plan!

lol

Post up the blood results if you can. I'd love to see what ya got.

 

[mrplunkey]

lol

Post up the blood results if you can. I'd love to see what ya got.

I will post bloodwork for sure.

Tomorrow is the two week mark and I hope to do a decent update then too.

 

[RADAR]

This has been one of the best journals i've read.


Great going my friend
RADAR

 

[truckdaddy]

I will post bloodwork for sure.

Tomorrow is the two week mark and I hope to do a decent update then too.

Love the log, please keep the info coming. Not sure what blood results will tell us if you are just coming off of a cycle. Maybe if your test goes up any after the sarms?

Someone doing a sarms only cycle will be the true test IMO.

I have done several sarms only cycles with zero change in the testes, but that is not a true test.

 

[mrplunkey]

01-05-2010 Update

It's been exactly two weeks since I started SARMS-S4. My last test ethanate shot was over one month ago. My last HCG shot was over two weeks ago.

- Taking SARMS-S4 @ 40mg 2x/day (80mg total)
- Taking Unleashed at 3 capsules/day
- Lipostim3 every morning
- Amplify2 pre workout
- Multivitamin + Fishoil + Protein Shakes
- Creatine monohydrate @ 5g/day
- 2.4 iu's HGH x 2 per day (been on that since Sept 2004)

Observations:

1) Zero strength loss up to this point. As my water weight drops, my strength normally drops significantly. My water is definitely gone. I should be on the front end of a slow slide -- and it's not happening.

2) There is no question I'm still nitrogen positive. I'm eating high quality calories, but I'm not blowing-up food right now. I'm at 248, which is the lowest I've been in two years. Combine that with no strength loss, and that's at least as effective as 300mg/week of testosterone ethanate.

3) I'm experiencing absolutely no bloat whatsoever. But what's funny is I don't have that testosterone "swole" feeling/look either. I hate the abdominal bloat, but I didn't realize how some of that bloat translates into fuller muscles. Where I really notice is in my abs. I've actually lost curvature there, but my abs are stronger and leaner than ever. You won't see it on my iPhone pics, but I've got new veins springing-up on my abs.

4) This cocktail definitely supports leaning-out. I say "supports" since diet makes you lean -- the best gear can do is support it. When I eat right and use testosterone, my abdomen leans-up well. It's responding right now just like it does on a test cycle.

5) I'm completely missing the testosterone edge -- and that's not necessarily a bad thing. On a normal cycle, I get that bulletproof feeling around week 5 or 6. I don't have any of that. It's a nice edge to have in the gym, but it's not particularly useful outside of that. I definitely do not feel like I'm on-cycle.

6) My libido certainly isn't at it's on-cycle level, but it's definitely up. At my age, even one out of two days is workable. When I'm on cycle, I need it daily (as in really get frustrated if I don't get it). Right now, I want it daily but don't lose my mind if I don't get it.

7) Wood is on-cycle quality or better. I have no idea what that's about, but it's the real deal. It's actually better, which I can only attribute to no aromitization of SARMS-S4.

Bottom Line: If nothing changes in the next two weeks and my bloodwork is even close to decent, I'm going to declare this post-cycle cocktail a massive success.

 

[Nitro79]

thx for the updates bro , keep it coming , waiting for that blood test

 

[OMEGA]

Awsome!

 

[mrplunkey]

Update: Just spoke with my HRT doc. Going to get blood test tomorrow. I'm due a fresh set of bloodwork soon anyway and I figured sooner is better than later.

 

[ceo]

Very promising indeed. Nice work logging this plunk. Oh, change the date on your last log today from 12-5-09 to 1-5-10.

Thanks!

 

[Drewb]

Nice update!

12-05-2009 Update

It's been exactly two weeks since I started SARMS-S4. My last test ethanate shot was over one month ago. My last HCG shot was over two weeks ago.

- Taking SARMS-S4 @ 40mg 2x/day (80mg total)
- Taking Unleashed at 3 capsules/day
- Lipostim3 every morning
- Amplify2 pre workout
- Multivitamin + Fishoil + Protein Shakes
- Creatine monohydrate @ 5g/day
- 2.4 iu's HGH x 2 per day (been on that since Sept 2004)

Observations:

1) Zero strength loss up to this point. As my water weight drops, my strength normally drops significantly. My water is definitely gone. I should be on the front end of a slow slide -- and it's not happening.

2) There is no question I'm still nitrogen positive. I'm eating high quality calories, but I'm not blowing-up food right now. I'm at 248, which is the lowest I've been in two years. Combine that with no strength loss, and that's at least as effective as 300mg/week of testosterone ethanate.

3) I'm experiencing absolutely no bloat whatsoever. But what's funny is I don't have that testosterone "swole" feeling/look either. I hate the abdominal bloat, but I didn't realize how some of that bloat translates into fuller muscles. Where I really notice is in my abs. I've actually lost curvature there, but my abs are stronger and leaner than ever. You won't see it on my iPhone pics, but I've got new veins springing-up on my abs.

4) This cocktail definitely supports leaning-out. I say "supports" since diet makes you lean -- the best gear can do is support it. When I eat right and use testosterone, my abdomen leans-up well. It's responding right now just like it does on a test cycle.

5) I'm completely missing the testosterone edge -- and that's not necessarily a bad thing. On a normal cycle, I get that bulletproof feeling around week 5 or 6. I don't have any of that. It's a nice edge to have in the gym, but it's not particularly useful outside of that. I definitely do not feel like I'm on-cycle.

6) My libido certainly isn't at it's on-cycle level, but it's definitely up. At my age, even one out of two days is workable. When I'm on cycle, I need it daily (as in really get frustrated if I don't get it). Right now, I want it daily but don't lose my mind if I don't get it.

7) Wood is on-cycle quality or better. I have no idea what that's about, but it's the real deal. It's actually better, which I can only attribute to no aromitization of SARMS-S4.

Bottom Line: If nothing changes in the next two weeks and my bloodwork is even close to decent, I'm going to declare this post-cycle cocktail a massive success.

 

[Carlito B]

Great Journal !

I can't wait to see bloodwork results.

C

 

[HUGE2U]

What are you using to measure the dose?


HUGE

 

[mrplunkey]

What are you using to measure the dose?


HUGE

I was using a 3cc syringe, but for the last week or so I've just used the dropper. It's got a 0.5 and 1.0 ml graduation. I fill it to 0.5 ml and squirt it into my mouth. There's always about 0.1ml (guesstimate) left over, and I just put that back into the bottle. I do that 2x/day, so I'm guessing my dose is about 80mg total per day.

 

[mrplunkey]

01-05-2010 Addendum

It was decline day today. Yes, I know I need to lock-out on all my reps but hey -- I'm old.

Set 1: 315 x 8



Set 2: 315 x 10 (albeit shaky)

 

[metalfujimi]

based on the results your getting, would you say that Sarms would be good to use as an on cycle either by itself or a stack, or would you say that it should be used during PCT?

 

[lookinfit75]

I am pretty much sold on S4 and the deal sealer is your blood work. Good journal.

 

[lookinfit75]

based on the results your getting, would you say that Sarms would be good to use as an on cycle either by itself or a stack, or would you say that it should be used during PCT?

Based on what he is experiencing I would use the exact same stack sans anything else to see what it would do. If he's feeling the effects of appox. 300mgs test enathante/week with no bloat or sides at all what more do you want lol? Granted he's already a big guy and probably isn't looking to get much bigger so the leaning out/weight loss is a plus for him and a lot of us, I think. If size is what you are looking for, then S4 on it's own doesn't appear to be the way to go.

 

[truckdaddy]

based on the results your getting, would you say that Sarms would be good to use as an on cycle either by itself or a stack, or would you say that it should be used during PCT?

all of the above.

Its good alone and It will become a staple in PCT I am predicting.

 

[mrplunkey]

based on the results your getting, would you say that Sarms would be good to use as an on cycle either by itself or a stack, or would you say that it should be used during PCT?

I'm trying to use it as a post-PCT tool. I'd like to cycle, finish PCT, then do 8 weeks of SARMS-S4 to make sure I keep the strength gains.

 

[ceo]

I'm trying to use it as a post-PCT tool. I'd like to cycle, finish PCT, then do 8 weeks of SARMS-S4 to make sure I keep the strength gains.

depending on when your next cycle is, could you be using it to bridge? This is where bloodwork will be useful. Can't wait!

 

[ChemWiz]

Great Thread, Thanks man

 

[mrplunkey]

Just got three vials taken. I'm hoping for results Friday but I'm guessing more like Mon/Tues.

 

[Dial_tone]

What is the main purpose of SARMS? I thought you were on HRT test year round as well? Why is your driver's license in your phone?

 

[mrplunkey]

What is the main purpose of SARMS? I thought you were on HRT test year round as well? Why is your driver's license in your phone?

SARMS (from my limited understanding) is a molecule that looks like testosterone to skeletal muscle, but doesn't look like test to other systems (i.e. prostate).

I don't do HRT year round. I've got a great HRT doc (I'll PM you his info if you want) based out of Florida who essentially lets me cycle as much as I want as long as time on = time off.

I use a combination wallet/iPhone (made by Sena). It lets me keep a DL, three CC's and and insurance card. I'll jam a little cash in there too, but that's pushing it. You do have to open the wallet up in order to use the camera on the phone.

 

[HUGE2U]

Does time of the dosage make a difference?


HUGE

 

[mrplunkey]

Does time of the dosage make a difference?


HUGE

I'm not sure. I've heard it has a short half life (4 hours, I've read).

I'm trying to take one dose around 2 hours pre-workout and then a second dose around 5-6 hours after that. Since I work-out around 11:00am, my doses are around 9:00 and 3:00 (or slightly later).

 

[needtogetaas]

I been just taking the one dose in the morning and thats it.

 

[needtogetarmy]

You must spread some Karma around (ie give karma to other members too) before giving it to mrplunkey again.

 

[needtogetarmy]

BTW I ordered my bottle on Sunday and I got it in today. I have not decided if I am going to use it for PCT or for a standalone cycle. My cycle was supposed to start this week but I got hit my the flu hard so I am taking it easy this week.

Can't wait for the blood work.

 

[needtogetaas]

BTW I ordered my bottle on Sunday and I got it in today. I have not decided if I am going to use it for PCT or for a standalone cycle. My cycle was supposed to start this week but I got hit my the flu hard so I am taking it easy this week.

Can't wait for the blood work.

Hope you get better soon bro.

 

[HUGE2U]

Man I just took my first dose about 30 mins prior to my wokrout tonight (aobut 25mg). I am dripping sweat even 45mins after the workout. Is this normal?


HUGE

 

[needtogetaas]

Man I just took my first dose about 30 mins prior to my wokrout tonight (aobut 25mg). I am dripping sweat even 45mins after the workout. Is this normal?


HUGE

Is this the first time you have used any kind of androgen products?

 

[Drewb]

I take 1/4 of mine first thing in the in the morning Pre cardio at 6am, 2/4 2hrs prior to my 8-9pm night workout and 1/4 2hrs after my workout (4hrs after 2nd dose).

 

[needtogetaas]

I take 1/4 of mine first thing in the in the morning Pre cardio at 6am, 2/4 2hrs prior to my 8-9pm night workout and 1/4 2hrs after my workout (4hrs after 2nd dose).

It should be split up that is for sure. I just don't have the time for it lol

 

[brandman]

Do you think it would be more beneficial to split up your doses to better aid in fat loss? Like you said Drewb, 25mg pre AM cardio, then 25mg pre PM workout. Maybe for optimal muscle gain, the entire 50mg 2 hrs pre PM weight workout? What do you think?

 

[OMEGA]

That Decline Bench is absolute perfectly angled

thats hard to find~!

 

[ceo]

I take 1/4 of mine first thing in the in the morning Pre cardio at 6am, 2/4 2hrs prior to my 8-9pm night workout and 1/4 2hrs after my workout (4hrs after 2nd dose).

 

[Drewb]

--/\-- Rofl true

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Bwahaha

 

[mrplunkey]

Blood Work Back!

CBC with Differential/Platelet (20 values) all looked normal and consistent with on and off-cycle results.

Comp. Metabolic Panel (18 values) all normal except:

Creatinine, Serum @ 1.57 (0.70-1.50 normal)
AST (SGOT) 89 (5-34 normal)
ALT (SGPT) 105 (0-55 normal)

As odd as those AST and ALT values seem, those are totally normal for me. Both my 67 year old father and 89 year old grandmother have elevated levels as well.

Lipid Panel:

Total Cholesterol, 156 (112-200 normal)
Triglycerides, 49 (0-150 normal)
HDL Cholesterol 41 ( > 40 normal)
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 10 (5-40 normal)
LDL Cholesterol Calc 105 (<100) *** High
LDL/HDL Ratio 2.6 (0.0-3.6 normal)

Thyroid Panel with TSH (4 values) all normal

Testosterone Panel:

Serum Testosterone: 113 (280-800 normal)
Free Testosterone: 3.0 (6.8-21.5 normal)

But I'm just coming off cycle -- I'm supposed to be supressed. The doctor's assistant I spoke with today said that was totally normal.

IGF-1 322 (101-267 normal)

I use 4.8 IU's/day of HGH

PSA: 0.2 (0.0-4.0 normal)
Sex Hormone Binding Glob, Serum: 16.8 (14.5-48.4 normal)

-------------------

Bottom line: My natural testosterone is supressed, but it's supposed to be low right now. We're going to do another blood test in 2-3 weeks to see if I've restarted my own production. The other values (particularly the liver ones) normally run high for me anyway.

Here's what's interesting to me. Now is when I'm supposed to crash in terms of strength -- but I haven't. I did shoulders today and was every bit as strong as I was on-cycle.

 

[mrplunkey]

^^^^

Should I throw-in some Post-Cycle or Sustain Alpha to drive my serum test levels back up, or just let them restore themselves naturally? I'm tempted to not add anything so we can see if I restart on my own w/o any additional help. But then again... it's not like I won't have access to these PCT tools long term.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Carlito B]

^^^^

Should I throw-in some Post-Cycle or Sustain Alpha to drive my serum test levels back up, or just let them restore themselves naturally? I'm tempted to not add anything so we can see if I restart on my own w/o any additional help. But then again... it's not like I won't have access to these PCT tools long term.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Yes, I think you should. I do not think S4 is supposed to help increase test levels, it just mimics some of its actions.

C

 

[mrplunkey]

Yes, I think you should. I do not think S4 is supposed to help increase test levels, it just mimics some of its actions.

C

I think I'm going to start both.

My test levels are low but I'm lifting with the same weight and frequency that I do while on cycle. It's wierd -- I don't have that testosterone edgyness, then start lifting jet like I was juicing.

 

[mrplunkey]

Yes, I think you should. I do not think S4 is supposed to help increase test levels, it just mimics some of its actions.

C

I think I'm going to start both.

My test levels are low but I'm lifting with the same weight and frequency that I do while on cycle. It's wierd -- I don't have that testosterone edgyness, then start lifting jet like I was juicing.

 

[truckdaddy]

I think I'm going to start both.

My test levels are low but I'm lifting with the same weight and frequency that I do while on cycle. It's wierd -- I don't have that testosterone edgyness, then start lifting jet like I was juicing.

I agree and stay on the S4.

Great log, keep it coming

 

[needtogetarmy]

Good blood levels.

Keep us updated!