nordstrom said:
As far as cancer, that article i posted up showed that cancer could, to a large degree, be avoided with lifestyle changes.
sometimes, yes, but not all the time. for the sake of arguement, lets say that 50% of the time it could be avoided.
However people with cancer are treated with more dignity than fat people. However both medical conditions are (within reason) controllable by the individual.
yes and no on the dignity part. if someone smoked for 40 years and then developed cancer because of it, they are given sympathy, because they could have prevented it. however, a lot of times, things such as lung cancer are used as an example to young people - "don't smoke or you'll end up like your uncle Joe, getting lung cancer and having to live off your final days with a breathing tube shoved down your throat!"
or take my stance on skin cancer - if you're dumb enough to be out in the sun tanning all the time and develop cancer as a result, i'll feel somewhat sorry for you, but not completely.
sympathy towards fat people, however, just doesn't happen most of the time, at least not right off the bat. some women will have kids, and they gain weight as a result, and have a hard time losing it afterwards. if they're making an effort to get thinner, then you can extend some sympathy. or lets say someone gets injured. they weren't in great shape before hand, but weren't obese, we'll say 20% BF. they're stuck laying around for months with an injury, not able to work or do any physcial activity, while they could moniter what they eat, do you really think you're going to? you're going to be depressed enough as it is w/out having to tell yourself "i can't eat that...i'll get fat." i knew a guy that landed himself in a similar situation, tore his shoulder out of the socket on the job. he blimped up afterwards. a few years later, he got sick of looking at himself in the mirror, and made a change. it happens though. my workout partner had the same situation when he separated his shoulder. gained about 20lbs over 6 months. sympathy towards plumpers is on a case-by-case basis really.
i DO, however, feel sorry for fat children. their parents obviously don't give a shit about nutrition and will feed them whatever they want to eat. it's not really the kid's fault, i mean, come on, how many kids are going to turn down sweets? i make my kids eat healthy or else they don't get the "junk" food. i actually hate holidays because of all the candy, cookies, and crap involved. family members give it to us, and since i was raised with a waste not want not mentality, it's got to get eaten. i hate wasting food, even if it was given to me.
Both can choose to live heathy and exercise. The obese person can choose to learn about safe diets and diet drugs while the pre-cancerous person can choose to learn about screenings. But neither do. However only the obese person is condemned as lazy for it.
yes, you're correct, both can choose to live a healthy lifestyle. the person tha does live a healthy or moderately healthy lifestyle, however, feels that they're at less of a risk to develop cancer, heart disease, diabetes, or whatever. why? because they eat sensibly and maintain a decent lifestyle. that doesn't excuse them from getting regular check-ups with the doctor, but it gives a sense of security, whether it be real or false.
the fat person, however, needs to learn to put the donut down. the next fat fucker that tries to sue mcdonalds or any other fast food chain because they got fat should be locked in a room and given nothing but vitamins and water until they are no longer obese. then they should be let out of the room and be expected to say "thank you" to all the fast food companies for paying for the room to have them locked in and the doctors to check up on them.
it's not that hard to moniter what you eat and get some exercise. it's easier to do this than it is to keep yourself cancer free (with the exception of cigarette smokers).
and what really pisses me off is when a fat person thinks they look good. nothing wrong with having a positive self image, but when a fat chick thinks she's sexy, who is she kidding? it's disgusting. however, you will hear people say "why do these fat women wear skin tight clothing and reveal their rolls?! don't they know how disgusting that is?!" well, to be honest, i think some of them don't have a choice because they can't find clothes big enough for them.
medically, i'm not going to argue the cost of who pays more because i havn't seen figures, so if i tried to argue it, it would be a waste of my time.
my grandfather was obese. i saw pictures of him when he was in the army. he went into the army in 1941 weighing 135lbs. he got out in 1944 and weighed 131lbs. his weight stayed low for years afterwards, but once he started getting older, he started getting heavier. in his defense, the average joe didn't know as much about nutrition back when he was getting bigger. however, he should've learned to put the food down on occasion.
by the early 80s, i believe he was over 240lbs. he was only 5'7". he had a nervous breakdown in the late 70s or early 80s, lots of financial problems and problems with the job he had worked at for over 35 years. this only caused him to gain more weight. by the early 90s, he was between 295-301lbs. there were times he had made it down into the low 280s, but he'd slip up somewhere and then completely forget his diet. for his weight, however, he was healthy. he had high blood pressure and high chloresterol, and he did alter his eating because of both of them. his eating wasn't out of control in the last few years of his life either. he ate reasonably. cakes, cookies, ice cream, candy....he didn't over indulge in any of them. but the man could eat. food was his "passion."
but as far as health problems, he didn't have many at all because of his weight. he lived to be 71 and died of heart failure. so from your arguement of fat people or old people costing the health care system a lot of money, he did neither.
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