Lets debate fat people

[biteme]

Can't we all just get along? Rodney King you will go down in history for that statement.

There's too much fighting in the world. The nature of the beast, I guess. I'll take a ticket to heaven please. I'm tired.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Alright i'll quit. But the point is and was that cancer rates, like obesity rates, can be controlled by the individual within reason.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Alright i'll quit. But the point is and was that cancer rates, like obesity rates, can be controlled by the individual within reason.

So then the issue is not so much the condition (cancer, obesity etc) but the expectation of other people to meet the needs of one's medical costs.

Isn't that the core issue here?

 

[Lao Tzu]

So then the issue is not so much the condition (cancer, obesity etc) but the expectation of other people to meet the needs of one's medical costs.

Isn't that the core issue here?

my point was that most people on here who condemn obesity condemn it because under a socialist system they have to pay for the costs. However

1. obese people use up less medicaid and social security money, evening out the costs of hypertension, type II diabetes, etc.
2. pretty much all medical treatments that make people healthy and expand lifespan will cost taxpayers money in a socialistic system.

I was also addressing BrandonXJ's post taht cancer is a disease, while obesity is controllabe. Cancer, like obesity, can be avoided to a large degree with proper lifestyle but most people choose not to follow that lifestyle. The only difference is obese people are condemned for their decisions.

 

[d3track]

i condemn obesity cause i dont like to look at it

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

my point was that most people on here who condemn obesity condemn it because under a socialist system they have to pay for the costs. However

1. obese people use up less medicaid and social security money, evening out the costs of hypertension, type II diabetes, etc.
2. pretty much all medical treatments that make people healthy and expand lifespan will cost taxpayers money in a socialistic system.

So the real issue is the wrong-ness or socialism of the system then, and the condition and its origins are less relevant. Cancer, obesity, whatever, <insert disease here> the outcome is all the same.

I was also addressing BrandonXJ's post taht cancer is a disease, while obesity is controllabe. Cancer, like obesity, can be avoided to a large degree with proper lifestyle but most people choose not to follow that lifestyle. The only difference is obese people are condemned for their decisions.

That may be a secondary issue, or a red herring, depending on how you wish to treat it. If you wish to treat it as a red herring, you will continue to piss people off like jkurz etc without achieving any debate-related outcome. That's what red herrings do; inflame emotions and distract people without impacting an outcome.

If you wish to treat the similarities as a secondary issue, you must admit that the origins and treatments of cancer are far less well understood then that of obesity. If you remain uncertain, do your research, but I will tell you as a medical publisher who deals often with oncology that the banner of "cancer" encompasses hundreds of conditions, all with their own origins and treatments, whereas the roots of obesity and treatments for it are far better understood.

Even as a secondary issue your points aren;t very strong.

 

[Lao Tzu]

That may be a secondary issue, or a red herring, depending on how you wish to treat it. If you wish to treat it as a red herring, you will continue to piss people off like jkurz etc without achieving any debate-related outcome. That's what red herrings do; inflame emotions and distract people without impacting an outcome.

If you wish to treat the similarities as a secondary issue, you must admit that the origins and treatments of cancer are far less well understood then that of obesity. If you remain uncertain, do your research, but I will tell you as a medical publisher who deals often with oncology that the banner of "cancer" encompasses hundreds of conditions, all with their own origins and treatments, whereas the roots of obesity and treatments for it are far better understood.

Even as a secondary issue your points aren;t very strong.

This is a red herring more than anything. you are trying to turn this into a pro/anti socialism argument.

As far as cancer, that article i posted up showed that cancer could, to a large degree, be avoided with lifestyle changes. However people with cancer are treated with more dignity than fat people. However both medical conditions are (within reason) controllable by the individual. Both can choose to live heathy and exercise. The obese person can choose to learn about safe diets and diet drugs while the pre-cancerous person can choose to learn about screenings. But neither do. However only the obese person is condemned as lazy for it.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Excellent point, "Nordie"

Is that good or bad? A good deal of medical problems are avoidable with lifestyle changes but only the obese are treated like shit for not following those lifestyle changes. AIDS victims, cancer victims, etc are all treated with dignity. Check your email.

 

[Tweakle]

Ok so let me get this right, the fat people I know aren't fat because they cram their faces with krispy kremes and sit on thier asses all day - it's because they have a disease. But, for an example, my moms cancer was caused by her lifestyle (no alcohol, no cigarettes, lots of exercise and a good diet)?

My personal feelings are that if fatties have to pay increasingly higher medicare coverage the fatter they get then it's all good. I could care less about them or their excuses for why they ate themselves into adiposity.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Ok so let me get this right, the fat people I know aren't fat because they cram their faces with krispy kremes and sit on thier asses all day - it's because they have a disease. But, for an example, my moms cancer was caused by her lifestyle (no alcohol, no cigarettes, lots of exercise and a good diet)?

My personal feelings are that if fatties have to pay increasingly higher medicare coverage the fatter they get then it's all good. I could care less about them or their excuses for why they ate themselves into adiposity.

Fat people are not treated the same way other illnesses that are partially controllable are. People with AIDS or hepatitis C who don't use condoms and clean needles are treated differently than fat people who don't diet and exercise. Cancer victims who get their cancer from not dieting, exercising, and getting proper screenings are treated different than fat people who don't diet and exercise properly.