YOU ARE ALL SO FULL OF SHIT...
You can tell yourselves whatever makes you feel good, but the truth of the matter is, juice will give you an unparalleled advantage. Compare a guy who trains like a madman, eats a perfect diet, takes every supplements in the world and put him up against a guy who trains 3X's a week and eats normally but takes 25 mgs of d-bol a day, and 9 times out of 10 he's going to be more muscular and continue to progress far faster than the first guy.
What I'm most proud of is a before and after picture of myself on my site where I show my progress as a natural. Natural bodybuilders appreciate it but most everyone who has juiced responds with a "big deal." I've also made great progress on the tiniest amounts of juice using methods that took years to develop, but again, who cares when you can do a gram of test a week and grow like crazy even if you train wrong. Most members of this board will never learn how to train correctly because they'll never have to.
As Dan Duchaine said "Steroids are the rabbit in the hat, and the ace up the sleeve." With them, you will look like a bodybuilder. Without them, most people will mearly look "fit."
What I'm saying isn't a dismissal or a condemnation. It's just the way it is -- which is fine -- but stop thumping your chest with pride because you think you work hard for what you've got. That's like winning a marathon by taking a car service to the finish line and complaining about the traffic along the way.