Give me your $0.02 :)

[djeclipse]

My example wasn't meant to be in any way telling the OP what he should do, it was more to show that 12 rep deads isn't going to kill your back (when done properly).

Did deads again yesterday...520 for 5 on the heavy set, 380 for 12 on the lighter set (should've went a little heavier on that "light" set). No idea what my 1RM would be. Maybe 570-600? I don't 1RM anything.

Agreed, if you're able to keep form for 12, 15, 20 reps, you're not going to hurt anything. But when the reps go up, (especially for a movement like deadlift) fatigue sets in and a lot of time form suffers, even at light weight. Add in a beginner just learning the lift and high reps can be toruble.

Your dead lift is impressive by the way. When guessing 1rm for dead lift I usually add 50lbs to the 5rep max. But of course it's simply a guess. Just put on 6 plates a side and see how it goes. Make a vid though, heavy dead lift vids are always inspiring to watch. Even the 12 rep is something to see.

 

[sinnerstefan]

Hmmm Food for Thought about "exagerations" that are going around on this thread.

 

[chrisproia]

+1

44 pounds bench press is going to do you nothing. I also doubt you are that weak. Go in the gym, lose the self-consciousness, stick a 25 pound plate on each side, and start pressing. Be sure to push yourself.

Be sure to have good form; this is essential. If you do not know what good form is, get a personal trainer for a week, and learn some tips. You may want to keep your trainer, but even a week is better than working out when you don't know what you're doing.

When I started working out, in high school, my friends made fun of me because I was so scrawny. When I got bigger and stronger than them, they stopped laughing. I earned my respect. That's all there is to it. Hard work, dedication, discipline, and of course, lose the cockiness. It won't help you get big.

EDIT: I re-read your original post, and I see you only started at 44 , and worked up to 132lbs. That's fine. Like I said, don't be self conscious. No reason for it. See, when you go into a gym small and after a few months or even a year start to gain some significant size, the guys will notice. you will be getting comments like "man, looks like you're getting big!" and stuff like that. You don't have to be able to lift 200 to go to the gym. Anyone that talks down on you for that is an idiot.

 

[silver_shadow]

I don't see how 12 rep deads would not be effective. How do you feel about 20 rep squats?

for some reason 20 rep squats seem alot different than high rep deads. not sure why, but i seem to do better with deads under 8 reps and that would be alot too - i'd mostly prefer 5 or less. at the same time i love 20 repper squats

 

[ceo]

for some reason 20 rep squats seem alot different than high rep deads. not sure why, but i seem to do better with deads under 8 reps and that would be alot too - i'd mostly prefer 5 or less. at the same time i love 20 repper squats

20 rep squats is a love/hate thing for me. Love the effect/hate them after about rep 10-12.

 

[chrisproia]

for some reason 20 rep squats seem alot different than high rep deads. not sure why, but i seem to do better with deads under 8 reps and that would be alot too - i'd mostly prefer 5 or less. at the same time i love 20 repper squats

I completely agree that for OP's goals, 10-12 repetition dead-lifts will not help him get anywhere.

However, the repetitions one does are based on what they are trying to achieve.

Some broad examples are:

Strength:4-6 reps/set
Size: 7-10 reps/set
Endurance/fat burning/cardiovascular focused: 10-15 reps./set

I *never* recommend anyone to do more than 15 reps, and often not even more than 12 reps per set. If someone can do 20 reps in a set, then they clearly need to increase the weight.

All the people who are recommending 20 reps simply do not know what they are talking about. Those same people will also try to make up some B.S. as to why something else I said is not correct, just to make themselves not look dumb. However, to people who know what they are talking about, those people only make themselves look more foolish. It makes no sense to come on here to act like you know something when you don't - unless of course you don't have a job, are not looking for one, and have nothing else better to do with your time.

In short, do *not* do 20 reps, *especially* if you are looking to get results and gain size and strength to any extent.

 

[djeclipse]

I completely agree that for OP's goals, 10-12 repetition dead-lifts will not help him get anywhere.

However, the repetitions one does are based on what they are trying to achieve.

Some broad examples are:

Strength:4-6 reps/set
Size: 7-10 reps/set
Endurance/fat burning/cardiovascular focused: 10-15 reps./set

I *never* recommend anyone to do more than 15 reps, and often not even more than 12 reps per set. If someone can do 20 reps in a set, then they clearly need to increase the weight.

All the people who are recommending 20 reps simply do not know what they are talking about. Those same people will also try to make up some B.S. as to why something else I said is not correct, just to make themselves not look dumb. However, to people who know what they are talking about, those people only make themselves look more foolish. It makes no sense to come on here to act like you know something when you don't - unless of course you don't have a job, are not looking for one, and have nothing else better to do with your time.

In short, do *not* do 20 reps, *especially* if you are looking to get results and gain size and strength to any extent.

What if we are posting from work?

What does having a job or not have anything to do with this thread or knowledge of lifting.

Are you really that arrogant to say that if you don't have a job you don't know anything about lifting???

Anyway, back on topic.

You say 20 rep squats are worthless eh?

Tell that to this guy doing 500 for 23

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DjtVvYk1HWw

 

[ceo]

What if we are posting from work?

What does having a job or not have anything to do with this thread or knowledge of lifting.

Are you really that arrogant to say that if you don't have a job you don't know anything about lifting???

Anyway, back on topic.

You say 20 rep squats are worthless eh?

Tell that to this guy doing 500 for 23

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DjtVvYk1HWw

LMFAO! Exactly!!! Bro, 20 rep "widowmaker" squats have totally added size to my quads. chrisproia should go over to IntenseMuscle and tell all those big boys that 20 rep sets are shit and none of them know what they're talking about. Lot of 250+ lb'ers, ton of NPC competitors and a few IFBB'ers who might need to learn a thing or two. Not to mention the guy(s) who are training them.

lol @ the Tom Platz video too! chrisproia might want to school Tom on leg routines.

Oh, and LMMFAO @ Mr. "I am right, everyone else who disagrees with me is wrong and don't know wtf they are talking about."

One last thing...bitch please!!!!

 

[djeclipse]

LMFAO! Exactly!!! Bro, 20 rep "widowmaker" squats have totally added size to my quads. chrisproia should go over to IntenseMuscle and tell all those big boys that 20 rep sets are shit and none of them know what they're talking about. Lot of 250+ lb'ers, ton of NPC competitors and a few IFBB'ers who might need to learn a thing or two. Not to mention the guy(s) who are training them.

lol @ the Tom Platz video too! chrisproia might want to school Tom on leg routines.

Oh, and LMMFAO @ Mr. "I am right, everyone else who disagrees with me is wrong and don't know wtf they are talking about."

One last thing...bitch please!!!!

Pwn3D! lol

 

[chrisproia]

Pwn3D! lol

exactly. I knew some idiots would make themselves look stupid anyways, moving on...