Dosage Intervals of DBol

[Madcow2]

You know what, you don't have to take dbol every 4-5 hours. Taking it twice per day (as was recommended with the original ciba dbol) will suffice just as well. I've taken it various ways and the results are always the same whether I take it once a day (higher peak blood levels) or several times a day.

Since dbol has a 4-5 hour half life, if you take a 15 mg dosage it will still be metabolized up to 24 hours later. Maybe some people don't understand what half life means? I don't know, but I can't be bothered taking dbol 17 times a day.

There is a happy medium somewhere between the once per day suggested in this thread and your 17 times per day exageration. Law of diminishing returns sets in quickly so the first few splits will contain most of the benefit to blood levels.

Since I definitely agree that most people here don't have a clue what a halflife is, here is an illustration of how halflives work and affect blood levels - I opted for 4 hours on halflife to make the math easy, scenarios are for a single dose, 2 doses, and 3 doses - each scenario totals to 15mg daily.:

Single Dose 15mg at 8am (the second 8:00am includes residual+next day's):
8am 15
12pm 7.5
4pm 3.75
8pm 1.875
12am 0.9375
4am 0.46875
8am 15.234375

Two 7.5mg doses 8am and 8pm (the second 8:00am includes residual+next day's):
8am 7.5
12pm 3.75
4pm 1.875
8pm 8.4375
12am 4.21875
4am 2.109375
8am 8.5546875

Three 5mg doses 8am, 4pm, 12am - timing is tough to fit evenly into standard schedule used for others so times are not optimal for 3 doses - do your own math if interested (same deal with the 8am dose at the bottom)
8am 5
12pm 2.5
4pm 6.25
8pm 3.125
12am 6.5625
4am 3.28125
8am 6.640625

Note the pattern here for the single dose and how much improvement the 2 and 3 dose patterns create in bloodlevels. Obviously the more often you take it the more even it gets but the first few splits will yeild the largest benefits.

 

[poantrex]

There is a happy medium somewhere between the once per day suggested in this thread and your 17 times per day exageration. Law of diminishing returns sets in quickly so the first few splits will contain most of the benefit to blood levels.

Since I definitely agree that most people here don't have a clue what a halflife is, here is an illustration of how halflives work and affect blood levels - I opted for 4 hours on halflife to make the math easy, scenarios are for a single dose, 2 doses, and 3 doses - each scenario totals to 15mg daily.:

Single Dose 15mg at 8am (the second 8:00am includes residual+next day's):
8am 15
12pm 7.5
4pm 3.75
8pm 1.875
12am 0.9375
4am 0.46875
8am 15.234375

Two 7.5mg doses 8am and 8pm (the second 8:00am includes residual+next day's):
8am 7.5
12pm 3.75
4pm 1.875
8pm 8.4375
12am 4.21875
4am 2.109375
8am 8.5546875

Three 5mg doses 8am, 4pm, 12am - timing is tough to fit evenly into standard schedule used for others so times are not optimal for 3 doses - do your own math if interested (same deal with the 8am dose at the bottom)
8am 5
12pm 2.5
4pm 6.25
8pm 3.125
12am 6.5625
4am 3.28125
8am 6.640625

Note the pattern here for the single dose and how much improvement the 2 and 3 dose patterns create in bloodlevels. Obviously the more often you take it the more even it gets but the first few splits will yeild the largest benefits.

I advocate twice a day dosing. Even with once a day dosing, while blood levels drop off later in the day...peak blood levels will be higher. So generally it will balance things out.

 

[Madcow2]

Sure hope you don't miss a meal during that period. There is only so much repair and restoration a body can mobilize at one time. It's not as if you can do it all in 4 hours with a higher dose and go to zero for the rest of the day - there are constraints outside of testosterone. This won't all just even out with a giant spike - you recover throughout the day and for the most part recovery is linear with time (except at night when we are at rest and I'll get to that). I can see the twice per day. I personally used to use 3 times. All that being said, sleep is the most major recuperative period the body has - rock bottom levels at this time are not desirable. This is probably the worst time to be low along with during a workout - stimulus (weighttraining) and response (recovery and compensation) are the whole key to building muscle and getting stronger. You are welcome to do whatever you want, but I don't think this is at all illogical or even out of the range of common sense here.

EDIT: I just thought of something. As a rule BBers are generally trying to get as much as possible out of their workouts/diets and everything else. This is a group that plans out cycles to levels that are rediculous and are rarely satisfied with their progress. I don't see the logic in one of these guys shorting themselves on blood levels as this takes very little effort.

 

[needsize]

couldnt agree more madcow, great explanations. I have always taken mine every 4 hours, at least 4 times daily, 5x on this last cycle, the last one being right before bed and not messing with my sleep whatsoever.
Obviously like mc so elequently explained, even blood levels are where the growth is at, and that includes night time. But at an anecdotal level, I have never in my life seen someone with an impressive physique(ie competitive bodybuilder size), advocate taking it only 1x per day. When you are new, you can take it any sort of way and gain. But the bigger you get, the more you have to do things correctly to keep gaining

 

[poantrex]

couldnt agree more madcow, great explanations. I have always taken mine every 4 hours, at least 4 times daily, 5x on this last cycle, the last one being right before bed and not messing with my sleep whatsoever.
Obviously like mc so elequently explained, even blood levels are where the growth is at, and that includes night time. But at an anecdotal level, I have never in my life seen someone with an impressive physique(ie competitive bodybuilder size), advocate taking it only 1x per day. When you are new, you can take it any sort of way and gain. But the bigger you get, the more you have to do things correctly to keep gaining

Would arnold qualify as someone with an impressive physique?

 

[needsize]

Would arnold qualify as someone with an impressive physique?

so you have heard arnold say that he took dbol all at once? That must have been an interesting combination

 

[poantrex]

so you have heard arnold say that he took dbol all at once? That must have been an interesting combination

Well, there was a scene where he took a handful of dbol before training. With the amount he took there I dont think he was taking it several times a day.

 

[needsize]

Well, there was a scene where he took a handful of dbol before training. With the amount he took there I dont think he was taking it several times a day.

reading what I've read about him, I dont see that at all. He was a "by any means necessary" kind of guy, meaning if one guy took x amount of steroids, he took more to ensure he won. 100mg of dbol a day is a fairly common dose amoung competitive sized bodybuilders, higher for some. So thats still say 7 pills at a time, if you were taking that 3x daily.

Plus, with hi genetics, its not a fair example for us mere mortals. His post workout meal with a whole chicken and a pitcher of beer, and somehow he still got that big

 

[roidpuple]

You know what, you don't have to take dbol every 4-5 hours. Taking it twice per day (as was recommended with the original ciba dbol) will suffice just as well. I've taken it various ways and the results are always the same whether I take it once a day (higher peak blood levels) or several times a day.

Since dbol has a 4-5 hour half life, if you take a 15 mg dosage it will still be metabolized up to 24 hours later. Maybe some people don't understand what half life means? I don't know, but I can't be bothered taking dbol 17 times a day.

Well you can actually take it once a day and do just fine... but most like to get the most out of it...

 

[Madcow2]

When the discussion gets to the point of saying, "Well XYZ did it that way and he did well," you had best not look down because there is a serious lack of solid ground. This is generally the last point someone makes before they stick their tongue out. I don't have Arnold's dosing regimine, I'm not aware that he ever provided it, and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't tweak or experiment during his career so something at one point in time is not necessarily valid throughout the career (if you have specific info - please provide it since it would be interesting from a curiosity standpoint). That said, he's fairly intelligent and if he knew then what until this thread I had thought was commonly known today, I have no doubt he would not use a single dosage method since he did everything he could to win.

Another example: Paul Anderson was arguably the best squatter of all time and even among todays best still holds legend status. He lifted without todays equipment and was never pushed in the least. He was well known for not warming up at all and jumping straight to working weight. I have personally known someone who lifted at the same gym for a time (both are now dead). He witnessed this technique with 700lbs. Totally cold, no warm up - walked in off the street. No nothing. Does that mean that none of us should warm up at all and jump straight to 85%? With today's information on physiology do you think Anderson would apply the same methodology?