Christopher Hitchens Interview...

[javaguru]

Debate with Al Sharpton...
http://www.fora.tv/fora/fora_player.php?c=923&u=0&t=195344&s=

 

[javaguru]

Debate with Al Sharpton...
http://www.fora.tv/fora/fora_player.php?c=923&u=0&t=195344&s=

A good watch....

 

[javaguru]

I just finished the vid myself...very good...

 

[Bikini Mod]

At the risk of sounding simple, I feel that Hitchenns is incorrect in his assertion that the human species has evolved past the "need for belief" in that which is illogical or which have no proof. I enjoyed the debate thoroughly and though Hitchenns was definitely better spoken and far more entertaining than his opponent, I thought that Sharpton (who I have no love for) held his own. Hitchenns failed to prove that God does not exist. As a matter of fact his use of the ideas of wickedness and immorality actually seem to imply, at the very least, that there IS a God. You can not have evil without good, darkness without light, negative without positive.

I believe that Hitchenns' examples of all the failings of RELIGION do not disprove a supreme being = God. His points of view are fresh and I believe overdue, perhaps. But I still do not see how my faith in God hurts anyone as Sharpton also asserts throughout the debate.

What I think the problem is that there are not enough people intelligent enough to think for themselves, whether they believe in God or not - period.

Just my very humble .02

 

[heatherrae]

I don't have any problem with atheists. As a matter of fact, I complain WAY MORE about bible thumpers. I think JG has gotten the idea that I am a very religious person. Actually, I hold very weird views that don't really fit any organized religion. However, it is the disrespect of others that I find so annoying. Why do some atheists feel the need to insult and deride other faiths? Let people be. What business is it of yours if they want to believe in a God? I think for some, they sort of want to talk themselves into their own belief by arguing it over and over. If you are secure in what you believe, hold it in your heart and go with it. Maybe some secretly fear that they are wrong.

Being militant one way or the other is annoying and not very effective means of argument.

I didn't watch the clips. I don't feel like watching a militant atheist say outrageous things just to get press this morning. Maybe I will just go run my nails down a chalkboard instead.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I don't have any problem with atheists. As a matter of fact, I complain WAY MORE about bible thumpers. I think JG has gotten the idea that I am a very religious person. Actually, I hold very weird views that don't really fit any organized religion. However, it is the disrespect of others that I find so annoying. Why do some atheists feel the need to insult and deride other faiths? Let people be. What business is it of yours if they want to believe in a God? I think for some, they sort of want to talk themselves into their own belief by arguing it over and over. If you are secure in what you believe, hold it in your heart and go with it. Maybe some secretly fear that they are wrong.

Being militant one way or the other is annoying and not very effective means of argument.

I didn't watch the clips. I don't feel like watching a militant atheist say outrageous things just to get press this morning. Maybe I will just go run my nails down a chalkboard instead.

I hear you loud and clear but trust me when I tell you that this clip of the debate between Hitchenns and Sharpton was hardly that. I actually found it to be mentally stimulating (I get almost zero anymore ) and it actually REaffirmed my faith though I am finding growing respect for Mr Hitchenns views. I actually agree with most of what he says, just not the part about their being no God.

 

[javaguru]

I don't have any problem with atheists. As a matter of fact, I complain WAY MORE about bible thumpers. I think JG has gotten the idea that I am a very religious person. Actually, I hold very weird views that don't really fit any organized religion. However, it is the disrespect of others that I find so annoying. Why do some atheists feel the need to insult and deride other faiths? Let people be. What business is it of yours if they want to believe in a God? I think for some, they sort of want to talk themselves into their own belief by arguing it over and over. If you are secure in what you believe, hold it in your heart and go with it. Maybe some secretly fear that they are wrong.

Being militant one way or the other is annoying and not very effective means of argument.

I didn't watch the clips. I don't feel like watching a militant atheist say outrageous things just to get press this morning. Maybe I will just go run my nails down a chalkboard instead.

Why should I care about what other people believe? Because their beliefs have an impact on my life. If people didn't believe in Allah there wouldn't be a "war on terror." Should we not care about other irrational beliefs, like someone being inherently inferior based on the melanin content of their skin or their cultural heritage? It seems that religion is the only thing that is above reproach and I don't see it that way.

 

[heatherrae]

Why should I care about what other people believe? Because their beliefs have an impact on my life. If people didn't believe in Allah there wouldn't be a "war on terror." Should we not care about other irrational beliefs, like someone being inherently inferior based on the melanin content of their skin or their cultural heritage? It seems that religion is the only thing that is above reproach and I don't see it that way.

Really? What impact does anyone on ef's beliefs have on your life? None. Yet you constantly shove your beliefs down our throats. Let it go.

 

[javaguru]

Really? What impact does anyone on ef's beliefs have on your life? None. Yet you constantly shove your beliefs down our throats. Let it go.

So, when does having a differing view constitute "shoving it down someone's throat?" Does someone "shove Republicanism down your throat" by posting a pro Bush thread? Why do religious people become so defensive when someone makes a valid point? Are you constantly trying to convince yourselves?


BTW, militant atheist is an oxymoron, nobody has ever blown themselves up or flown a plane into building due to their disbelief in a God.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "
Steven Weinberg(Nobel Prize in Physics), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

 

[heatherrae]

So, when does having a differing view constitute "shoving it down someone's throat?" Does someone "shove Republicanism down your throat" by posting a pro Bush thread? Why do religious people become so defensive when someone makes a valid point? Are you constantly trying to convince yourselves?


BTW, militant atheist is an oxymoron, nobody has ever blown themselves up or flown a plane into building due to their disbelief in a God.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "
Steven Weinberg(Nobel Prize in Physics), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

If I or anyone else came on here everyday and lambasted atheists and said how stupid, moronic, etc they are the way you do to anyone besides atheists, you would go ballistic. You don't see it, but you are more dogmatic than the people you ironically label as such.

Leave people alone.