Boy Is This Different, Any Vets Tried Or Heard Of This Before??

[EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER]

you don't use chest to any great extent in any other exercises that use your upper body in my opinion. biceps-no chest use
traps-no, triceps- maybe some, if your doing close grips or the such but no a whole hell of a lot, back-no. i don't see what u are getting at really. and the way that the split is set up, all the exercises that cross over and use another muscle are pretty much together.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

 

[BigAndy69]

This is definetely not for beginners, but overall I think it's a good shock workout.

It will add more muscle mass then a more standard routine but only for a short period of time (ie 4-12 weeks).

However, there is a flaw in his program, he doesn't mention the intensity of the workouts. No talk about reps; are they heavy 1-6 reps, moderate 7-12 or light 15-20?

Does he go to failure? and at what number of reps? What about number of sets?

 

[BigAndy69]

you don't use chest to any great extent in any other exercises that use your upper body in my opinion. biceps-no chest use
traps-no, triceps- maybe some, if your doing close grips or the such but no a whole hell of a lot, back-no. i don't see what u are getting at really. and the way that the split is set up, all the exercises that cross over and use another muscle are pretty much together.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

You are forgetting that you can overtrain the CNS as opposed to individual muscle groups.

 

[Dooley]

Actually.. in order to move your arms at ALL you use your pecs. you may not feel it.. but you are. But like I said.. I'm not argueing with you.. just pointing out another view.

 

[EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER]

THIS POST GOES OUT TO BIG ANDY69, THIS ONES FOR YOU.

Thanks for bringing this up it was also covered in the same post here it is:

person 2 said: what about recovery of the CNS? Yeah your muscles are being given ample time for recovery, but what about your nervous system?

I recently found I was just overtrained. I had no appetite. I had no sex drive(even though I was on 800mg test/wk). i was sleepy all the time. I was doing something similar, except for maybe "a little" more volume. I was doing two working sets. My muscles were fine, but I wasn't getting any bigger or stronger, just staying the same. All I can guess is that my CNS was burned out? Any thoughts?

person1: Without knowing your exact routine its hard to say. I use extreme stretching and an abundance of glutamine to help my recovery ability. Some of your symptoms sound like a higher estro amount in the body too. As far as CNS my personal opinion is I think 20 sets of a hard leg workout stresses out my central nervous system far more than a total 5 set workout of half my body. The two biggest mistakes I ever made were when I believed in the whole "you must" do this and that thing. When I got to about 200lbs of bodyweight I started doing 3 on one day off workouts with 8-16 sets per bodypart. Sometimes my workouts went to 3 and a half hours (like on leg day). I just believed you must do this exercise for outer quad and this exercise for inner chest and that exercise for lower pec etc etc etc --a complete waste of two years lifting for me. Insomnia (CNS) and severe overtraining, exhausted all the time, loss of appetite etc...I feel sorry for beginning bodybuilders because no matter what they read or who they listen too its so hard to convince them that "you seriously dont have to do alot to grow" --you just have to do it short, heavy, and intense and let protein and recovery take its course. Usually a newbie bodybuilder's enthusiasm wins out over his deductive reasoning and he wastes about 2-3 years of lifting or gives up altogether. The other mistake I made was-I was freinds with Duchaine (he lived like 4 miles from me) and after alot of arguing back and forth of our different approaches to dieting, I gave his nutrient dense repartitioning diet a chance for a year. Gained about a lb of muscle. Never again. I know the human body doesnt like to dramatically change unless you dramatically give it reasons too (like 550 grams of protein per day)

 

[liftsiron]

This is quite different from any workout program that I've ever tried. So I'm not going to knock it at all. In fact I'm going to give it a shot and see what happens. I'm kind of stagnet right know anyway. Good post. It looks like it may work to stimulate growth without overtraining. Guess I'll see.

 

[EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER]

this is for everyone. THIS IS SOME OF THE RESULTS HE SAID CAME FROM THIS TRAINING

Actually I would say I have middle of the road genetics, I have had to truly fight for everything, nothing came fast or easy. But I broke everything down into my own system---diet, supplements, training, stretching, recuperation, and drugs into what truly works and what truly doesn't and ran with it. I only train hardcore bodybuilders down here in San Diego. (its not my main job--I turn down about 90% of people due to my own personal reasons) I am very very good at turning normal people into the biggest bodybuilders in their area. Ive trained 7 people bodybuilding wise in the last 4 years (5 used super supplements 2 were clean) every one of those people gained at least 47lbs on their bodyweight at roughly the same or less bodyfat.
1) 188 to 260(2.5 years)
2)172 to 254 (3 years)
3)208 to 261(clean! genetic mesomorph 1 year)
4)218 to 275 (cut his juice in half, doubled his protein, showed him how to train correctly-2 years)
etc etc etc currently training only one guy because of time limits--he started at 207 clean its been 4 months and he is now 228lbs clean as a whistle-now if I could ever convince Nasser to move out of North county San Diego I could lay claim to the big dog on the block around here

 

[BigAndy69]

ECB,

I read the post and it doesn't answer the question exactly.

Let me explain why most people train individual muscles once every 7-9 days. It's very difficult for most people to gauge how tired they really are after a certain workout. It is possible to train 2-3 times a week but you need to adjust the intensity.

Experienced and smart bodybuilders understand there bodies and can train by instinct. They know how there bodies feel and when it's time to back off or go all out. Once a week training is certainly not the best way to train but it's the SAFEST. You can really push yourself that day and have the rest of the week to recover.

Training a bodypart every 4-5 days is much more effective but it's also very risky if you don't know what you're doing.

That's why I think that the author of the first post is not giving you the whole picture.

 

[EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER]

thanks for your input. Its a very different and new ideas, and i know some are going to say its no good and others will like it. thats why i posted it here. thanks for your opinion.

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