Boy Is This Different, Any Vets Tried Or Heard Of This Before??

[gainerxxl]

I read DC´s method of training a few weeks ago and it seemed logical, well thought out and fun to train. I was disappointed with my MAX-OT (AST´s training system) progress, cause I felt my muscles needed more frequent overload.
I´m now training each bodypart every 3-4 days and finally weight and strenght is climbing up. I´m up to 222 lbs (stepped on the scale yesterday), feeling more pumped and motivated.

 

[Themachine01]

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[PatBateman]

At first I thought this guy was bs, but after giving it some thought I am going to give this routine a try but modify it slightly. I am just not seeing as great results working one bp a week. I think it's undertraining almost, at least for me, I recover well.

 

[SOLID]

At first I thought this guy was bs, but after giving it some thought I am going to give this routine a try but modify it slightly. I am just not seeing as great results working one bp a week. I think it's undertraining almost, at least for me, I recover well.

if your modifying it -your not trying his routine. Read the article again. If your are giving it your all in the working set - there is no reason to do another set. If you read and understand your not working one body part a week you hit the same body part every 13 days...which all depends on your recovery. If your not fully recovered you do not go hit that body part again until you are. It takes awhile to acess your own recovery, and it takes awhile to adjust to this program to be able to judge where to start (obviously your going to lower the weight that your used to using to EX: Pulldowns with 7-8sec eccentrics with 175lbs for 6-8reps are much harder than pulldowns with no control over the eccentrics using 225lbs for 6-8 reps.) Don't modify the program, if you going to do it- do it the way it was intended, that way you don't come back here bad mouthing it when you fail to make progress. What do you think your going to shrink by not doing your "Volume Workouts"? Not so. If anything even if your not training properly givin the proper Recovery time will spark some new growth for you. This program is not for the intermediate Bodybuilder-it is for someone who is advanced and has full dedication on every angle. A person must dedicate themself to Diet, Allow for Recovery, Workout Intensity, Extreme stretching, it will take time to get everything down but once it is your on your way to growing to your upmost potential. Trust me Doggcrapp know's what he is talking about...and if you've seen picture's of this man you will not be so skeptical of his ideas.


SOLID

 

[Mischief]

I read DC´s method of training a few weeks ago and it seemed logical, well thought out and fun to train. I was disappointed with my MAX-OT (AST´s training system) progress, cause I felt my muscles needed more frequent overload.
I´m now training each bodypart every 3-4 days and finally weight and strenght is climbing up. I´m up to 222 lbs (stepped on the scale yesterday), feeling more pumped and motivated.

I'll go ahead and disagree with a lot of people here, but of course training is an individual thing, so nobody is really wrong. I've never done the "Max-OT" system, but I've read it, and it's pretty damn close to what I've been doing for years anyway. 5 days a week, one body part per session, total of 8-12 TOTAL sets. Every single set to total failure in the 5-6 rep range. If you work out this way, and feel your body needs more frequent overload, it's your intensity that is lacking, not the system. Every great natural bodybuilder I've known has done the same. Many of my fellow unnatural friends train this way too, and have developed incredible strength. Heavy heavy lifts causes the body to build some thick solid muscle in response. Look at how Ronnie Coleman and Dorian train, one set every few days? no. If that was a better way to do things would they? hell yes.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Anything that is new stimulus is good. It'll work for a while. But then it'll stop.

This method is very similar to a technique used by the old timers. Obviously if it proved far superior to everything else, it would have become known as the way to go and we'd all be using it, no questions asked.

There's one point that everyone misses. The human organism is not a mathematical equation. So all of the calculating and specious hypothesis is meanlingless. The body will always attempt to adapt and maintain homeostasis and in doing so it's ability to grow and repair will be limited to the individuals genetic capacity. You can not extrapolate X gains plus 2 will equal twice the gains. So you can try and fake it out all you want, and you will for a while, but it'll eventually adapt and gains will slow, and then stop. And this will happen FASTER if you're in good shape since the body is well honed to accept stress. Mother nature will have the last word, everytime.

 

[SOLID]

Anything that is new stimulus is good. It'll work for a while. But then it'll stop.

This method is very similar to a technique used by the old timers. Obviously if it proved far superior to everything else, it would have become known as the way to go and we'd all be using it, no questions asked.

There's one point that everyone misses. The human organism is not a mathematical equation. So all of the calculating and specious hypothesis is meanlingless. The body will always attempt to adapt and maintain homeostasis and in doing so it's ability to grow and repair will be limited to the individuals genetic capacity. You can not extrapolate X gains plus 2 will equal twice the gains. So you can try and fake it out all you want, and you will for a while, but it'll eventually adapt and gains will slow, and then stop. And this will happen FASTER if you're in good shape since the body is well honed to accept stress. Mother nature will have the last word, everytime.

Ok. So would you agree that by increasing poundage or reps each workout would not produce constant growth? Givin the allowment of full recovery and ultimately increasing poundage everyworkout seems the best way to get a growth response to me.

and the statement about Dorian and Ronnie, obviously these guys have superior genetics. Joe blow cannot do the same workout as them and expect to recover in the same amount of time. Too many people are mimicing Pro's workouts thinking that they can handle the work load. Pro's are a handfull, they posses the genetics to train with more volume and still supercompensate. Not to mention they take 10x more gear than the average user.

 

[PatBateman]

if your modifying it -your not trying his routine. Read the article again. If your are giving it your all in the working set - there is no reason to do another set. If you read and understand your not working one body part a week you hit the same body part every 13 days...which all depends on your recovery. If your not fully recovered you do not go hit that body part again until you are. It takes awhile to acess your own recovery, and it takes awhile to adjust to this program to be able to judge where to start (obviously your going to lower the weight that your used to using to EX: Pulldowns with 7-8sec eccentrics with 175lbs for 6-8reps are much harder than pulldowns with no control over the eccentrics using 225lbs for 6-8 reps.) Don't modify the program, if you going to do it- do it the way it was intended, that way you don't come back here bad mouthing it when you fail to make progress. What do you think your going to shrink by not doing your "Volume Workouts"? Not so. If anything even if your not training properly givin the proper Recovery time will spark some new growth for you. This program is not for the intermediate Bodybuilder-it is for someone who is advanced and has full dedication on every angle. A person must dedicate themself to Diet, Allow for Recovery, Workout Intensity, Extreme stretching, it will take time to get everything down but once it is your on your way to growing to your upmost potential. Trust me Doggcrapp know's what he is talking about...and if you've seen picture's of this man you will not be so skeptical of his ideas.


SOLID

should have been more specific, I am going to follow it to a t, but switch the back and calves based on knowing my own body. I am also adding one exercise a week of lat raises as that is my weakest part. I just don't think with this program it allows for you to hit the specific weaknesses of your body. Yeah, shoulder presses are great, but you are primarily working the anterior delt, what about the posterior and lateral delts??

 

[Nelson Montana]

SOLID: Of course adding weight and/or reps is the way to go. But constant progress? No. Progress is incremental and finite. If it weren't, guys who worked out for 20years would have 30 inch arms. We all have a cap off point, but there's no way of knowing what it is until you push to the limit. But there is a limit. You can only add so much weight and so many reps from which you can recouperate.

Pat: Adding more work to lagging bodyparts doesn't always help. They can only grow and repair as fast as they can. You can keep them "pumped" more with extra work,but muscle will only grow so fast, and breaking it down more is unlikely to make it grow faster.

I've written about the technique in question. It used to be called "Rebound Training." It's excellent for an occasional boost, but try it for too long and you'll burn out if intensity is high. Then again, remember the days when you trained the whole body 3 times a week? Worked pretty good didn't it?

 

[jacshelb]

I like to read different peole's training theories, but, I confess, I didn't read through every person's post on this thread. So If I cover familiar ground, that's why.

It is a decent theory except for one thing: Muscle growth depends not only on localized muscle recovery, but on nervous system recover (rest for the whole body).

I think that the best, most efficient method for gaining pure mass would be some sort of very basic, very intense workout consisting of powerlifting type movements (whole or close to whole body movements) and very basic excersises for any leftover bodyparts.

Yesterday I did: deadlifts (heavy as I could), leg presses, chins, rows, and curls. I did only one set of each (well, two for chins and two for curls). Somehow pretty much all my body got sore and well worked.

Now I'll wait till I feel well rested and ready to go (probably 9-12 days) and hit it again with different, but similar, excersizes. Plenty of intensity/strength, plenty of rest, plenty of growth.

Jacob