Blood Work Done:anavar Shuts You Down, And Ala Isnt Worth Much As Liver Protector

[Burgboy]

Took blood test after dbol and test cycle....(low doses of dbol) 25 mg...took milk thisle and ala...liver levels stayed around the same. GOT/AST raised only slightly...28 to 31 GPT/ALT went from 25 to 29

GOT enzyme is also located in Bone/muscle....it is very common to have higher than normal enzyme levels from Heavy exercise....when I get my blood work done....I do not lift for 3 days before...this helps give a more accurate reading.

Your levels are on the high end but not bad at all....you could expect worse from a hard night at the bar.

But I was suprised at how hard the anavar shut you down....I knew that it effect HPTA...but I would not think to that extent

Thanks for the post!

 

[Ezekiel_]

One of my best friends in the world is a trauma / ER doctor, so i frequently bounce any questions about these things off him.

Both liver value and cholest. are highly subjective tests. Your diet and genetics play a huge role. Ketogenic diets, and diets very high in protien are both suspected to be very hard your liver and cholesterol levels.

Extremely intense excercise also lowers your liver values for as long as it takes for your body to recover.

Most labs want you to have fasted for 12/24 hours and had no excercise for 48 hours prior to the test.

Either way it is interesting data.

The number one medical use for anavar is for treatment of AIDS related wasting, being done at a clinic in houston. they have the patients take 20 - 60 MG's per day for 90 days of more at a time.

I wish we had access to the lab reports from those tests.

 

[Fener]

i had been fasting for 12 ours and no ex for 48 hours. Yes i was still on ox an asi said i split it throughout the day, like 1 tab every 6-7 hours. What is clear is that the degree od suppression is extreme, look at my testosterone levels, is 0.9 this means i don't have any test. I will start clomid today and repeat the test after 1 month. i 'llpost theresults, but you must accept thet ox is like any other compound. It is no magic pill

 

[maxes21]

ok say u were bridging with 20mg anavar for say a little over 6 weeks, would adding tribulus effect your natural test at all??

 

[body72]

Any kind of AS or Androgen will shut your HPTA down, that's life.........!
Thanks Fener to confirm this to all of us.
After that be VERY careful with bridging theories and technics...................
Bye
Be safe
Body

 

[robby]

could it be, that anavar has some similar "rebound effects"
on the htpa like oral turinabol has been claimed? due to it's
low androgenic properties oral turibabol has been claimed
to shut down htpa while on, but one week after stop, htpa
was recovered and even higher than before. i'm interested
in your test in a month fener, and did you notice any loss of
energy, libido while your cycle? if i understand it rigth, anavar
has low androgenic and relativ high anabolic properties. if anavar
shut down htpa while on cycle it would make sense to add some
test?

robby

 

[mrt]

The user manual which comes with the original SPA OX clearly states that it will ALTER the results of some lab tests, such as endocrine type, liver function tests, renal function tests, serum cholestrol, etc. It is better to get checked again by a different lab after a month or so.

 

[Fener]

Robby, i did this cycle without adding anything just because i had a long layoff previously, i know i would have gained good anyway and didnt need anything stronger than that. my goal was recisley what i had: regaining all the mass i had lost while geting shredded. i knwe anavar could do the trik and i did it. Of coure after hearing all that stuff about not suppressing htpa (at least not much) and not beeing so liver toxic i was hoping it was true because if it was iwould have dicovered a gret compound both for shape and health. I found out this is not the case, too bad! i just wanted to let you guys know so you can better evaluate your choises. And also the ala thing, since we've beeen talking alot about its presumed miracle properties on the liver, well this is just the reality, my reality. It is obvious that i will never do and anavar only cycle but will always add some test inthe future since it shuts you down anyway (and i'm TOTALLY shut down). what i will do in the future is i will start a primo only cycle @300mgs a week do the tests afte 4 weeks and if im not sht don't alter anything for 8 more weeks, if i'm shut add 1 amp of test a week. plain and simple!

 

[wilson6]

Those liver values are nothing to worry about. They can easily run in the low 100's as a function of lifting alone. The insignificant elevations you experienced may well be from lifting heavier and not even from the liver. Even if they are, those elevations are clinically non-significant.

HDL of 24 is not a problem if it is short-term esp with a total Cholesterol of 148. If your HDL was 2 and total cholesterol of 300, then I'd be concerned.

As far as shutting down the HTPA. As little as 5 mg/d will do it. I knew guys back in the 80's who were monitored by docs when all this was legal and 5 - 10 mg/d shut them down (sperm and testosterone).

W6

 

[Ulter]

Hang on a minute here. Fener you are not completely shut down as you are saying. Ox is a form of test and when you stopped of course it's going to take a while for your body to replace it. But you have an LH of 2.06 which means your HPTA was working when you had the test done. If you were completely shut down it would have been 0. So what you proved is that Ox inhibits your HPTA but like many have said before, IT DIDN'T SHUT DOWN YOUR HPTA like any other AS would have. This is what makes Ox a great bridge because your HPTA is still running while you're on it.
As far as your liver values go I agree with Wilson6, (I just watched Castaway again so your name makes me smile), your values can get that high just from weight training or too much protein. They are not very high at all.