Blood Work Done:anavar Shuts You Down, And Ala Isnt Worth Much As Liver Protector

[MrRTTB]

SHIT!! I'm getting sick of all this liver-great-suppl. One day this works fine and the next day it doesn't do shit(for the liver that is..I know ALA is good for other things for a fact.)

Has anybody taken liver values before a cycle with 17-aa and then used something like milktistle and taken tests post cycle?? What does work?? Maybe tylers detox just isn't that great either..Who knows, maybe french mustard is the thing to use, or even ketschup!

Sad...very sad ;(

 

[VANIAN]

Anavar shut me down somewhat also. My Test levels went from over 900 to 285. It also killed my cholesterol levels but clomid brought them back to normal, even lowered from what they originally were. It didn't help my HDL much though. I was taking ALA also and my liver enzymes doubled but stayed in the normal range. Clomid brought my test levels back after a week though. But then again I was only taking 20mgs of Anavar.

 

[Bluto]

Thanks for taking the time to post this. Good to know what to expect.

 

[Vageta]

I don't think many were ever preaching that Ox doesn't cause "some" suppression of the HPTA, just that it wasn't to the extreme of say Test or Fina. Fina is known to shut down the HPTA "hard" so perhaps Oxandrolone shuts it down "milder". Maybe it will supress serum levels but perhaps they will recover much easier than they do with Test which can take 3 weeks of clomid therapy. I had no nut shrinkage from my first 6 week Ox cycle and noticed no rebound or loss of gains when coming off. My t-levels may have been lower when coming off but they seemed to recover on their own very quickly. Then again my sex drive is through the roof while on Fina and my nuts are still existant after 6 weeks so maybe I'm the exception to the rule.

Bottom line is we view T-levels as a sign of HPTA suppression but I have no doubt that there are also different levels or HPTA recovery based on drugs used in a cycle. One person already claimed one week clomid was enough to bring back HPTA levels normally after Oxandrolone. I doubt you could do this after 6 weeks of a heavy test cycle.

So in the end maybe ox will suppress T-levels but it may do it so mildly that they will come back on their own in short order, even without clomid.

 

[LONE_AZ]

How were you taking your OX? What time of day. Because if you allow you levels to drop off while you sleep than you should not see that kind of drop in test. If you had it in your system 24 hrs a day than of course it will lower your values, all androgens do. Including Proviron for those who think it is good post cycle.

 

[Zyglamail]

So in the end maybe ox will suppress T-levels but it may do it so mildly that they will come back on their own in short order, even without clomid.

The reason I feel it is important is because anavar was often toughted as the drug of choice for bridging and everyone always preached that it would not suppress you on low dose of 20mg. This was all in the context of using it between cycles or post cycle while on climid therapy to restore HPTA. NOw, granted at 20mg/ed it likely wont shut you down completely, my point was that it will still have a negative impact on HPTA resoration.

 

[MadCow1]

Thank your for posting real results.

 

[panerai]

It depends to some degree on genetics. Your data is very valuable, but it's not what is going to happen to everyone.

 

[Vageta]

Also just to point out, Fener's liver values even after the cycle weren't necessarily off of the chart. They were still not far from normal even after the cycle. Yes any 17aa will have an effect on liver enzymes but I'm still convinced that Dbol and Anadrol are going to have more of a negative effect than Oxandrolone.

I had blood tests done after my first oxandrolone cycle as well. My liver values were still under normal, however I have no clue what they were when I started. I'm sure they were still elevated but since they were below normal it wasn't anything to concern myself with.

We also have to remember we are all different. Some of us are going to be more sensitive to HPTA suppression and liver damage. Just because Joe Bob had liver values 3x normal after 7 days of a specific drug doesn't mean the same will happen to you. There is only one way to find out exactly what oxandrolone will do to your HPTA and liver values and that's to do your own blood tests before and after.

 

[Vageta]

Zyg you're correct, there's no reason for people to have a false sense of security when using Ox based on the assumption that it won't effect their HPTA. Also I'm curious Fener were you actually "ON" during your blood test? Or was this a day or 2 after your last dose of Ox? If you actually still had some floating around in your system then no doubt your values are going to be messed up. If your liver was actually processing some when your blood was taken I'm sure the values were up.

My blood test was done 1 week after my last dose of Oxandrolone so my liver values could have been higher if I'd have done the test sooner. However even if they were high, the fact that they recovered to normal that quickly is still a good sign.