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Andalite
Elite Bodybuilder
Yes you do. If you want strength you train movements. You don't train muscle groups. The end goal as a strength trainee is to increase absolute strength. There are infinite ways of going about that and it is ALL about goals. If you want to do biceps (for example) when your goal is to be strong at Deadlifts (for example), there are only a few reasons why you want that:
1.) To get a stronger grip
2.) To avoid injury
Otherwise it's useless because you're doing it for aesthetics. As a strength trainee you can't have a primary goal other than strength. It is self defeating.
How can I ever be in a state of complete satisfaction? That can never exist. Will you ever make money and say that at X amount I don't want any more? No. It's a challenge to improve yourself and therefore self improvement will ALWAYS be a goal of mine. It is just not as radical or important to me as it is to you. I want to be stronger much more than I want to look stronger. Thats MY goal. I'm not shoving it down your throat so why are you condescendingly asking me about mine?
I can't find your youtube videos but I remember when I placed them in that thread I linked 3-4 clips and SaiBoT said they were ALL bad.
They were bad because:
1.) Your hips rose before the bar left the ground. Remember the synchronized movement I mentioned? That didn't happen.
2.) Your hips locked out while your back was still extended.
Thats it. I don't care about shins and what not because again: that variation in ROM will determine that. But you did not even stick to the general guidelines.
Is an Atlas stone a deadlift? Are the mechanics even the same? Are you hugging the bar while deadlifting? No. They're two different movements. You can compare zercher deadlifts with atlas stones. But are we discussing atlas stones?
I am not discussing powerlifting nor am I discussing hitching. It's not an issue.
Ass above head is silly. If your strongman said that was fine, he isn't very successful. I do agree with his statement on hitching but then again: long term wise hitching doesn't help.
However, you mentioned textbook form and that is why I said: GUIDELINES not Rules. It is EXACTLY about INDIVIDUAL bio mechanics to maximize leverage but even then there are guidelines. You didn't stick to them.
Also, you got injured on Deadlifts using bad form. I've been there too. That happens from BAD HABITS. You develop bad habits while training - not only doing max habits. Infact, the bad habits you develop while training regularly will affect your max attempts.
That is spectacular for him. But has he gotten you to Deadlift 555 at the age of 20? A great coach isn't someone who HAS to be a great lifter himself. A great coach is able to make YOU into a great lifter.
You first said that hitching was ok because that famous strongman endorsed it. Now you claim you got injured by it OR that it worsened an injury. If that is so, please: how is hitching ok? see a contradiction here? You're just blindly following someone without even thinking this through.
You hitched in training.
You hitched in maxing.
You got injured.
See a corelation? and note: this is YOU bringing up hitching, not me. I don't see that as an issue because there are other more pressing issues about your form before that.
I have deloaded last week. I did one basic top set. how much more of a deload can I get?
I deload quite often. I don't put a lot of what I do in my journal because I figure most people aren't concerned with the intricacies. I've been training like that when I was using 135 lbs for Deadlifts 2 years ago and I use the same principles today.
I am very very conservative in my training but at the same time my progression is EXTREMELY aggressive when it needs to be. The operative phrase in the above sentence is: "when it needs to be".
For example, 6 weeks ago I hit:
415x2
435x2
455x2
455x2
435x2
Then, 3 weeks later, I did:
415x3
435x3
455x3
455x3
435x3
Do you realize the sheer increase in volume there? How much more aggressive can someone be with their progression?
But I used this progression having planned it out. I didn't just jump into it like an idiot. The boys at Ground Up Strength make damned well sure of that.
didnt mean to turn it into a heated argument.
