Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below A few questions for the vets of this forum. I am 28yrs old and have been training for about 5 yrs. I am just curious to hear some results, experiences, and comments with insulin like groth factor Long r3. I started a 40mcg(post workout) X 5 days a week(4 weeks on 4 weeks off)and sus 250 every 5 days. What are your opinoions of this cycle and what do you think I can expect? I am aware of the "hypo" potential during this process so Iam carbing up around 75gcarb and 50g protein in pro shake immediatly after injection. I am not worried about being massive I would just like to harden up and putting on a little bit of lean mass. Also forgot i changed my workout a bit and I focus on alot of drop sets, more traumatic approach.
Long R3 IGF/ thoughts and experiences
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rambleon
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I like the basic cycle setup. The 40mcg pwo method is sound. This is experience talking. I limit use to eod however as i feel i get better results this way. There is a receptor saturation issue which can be felt rather quickly with Igf1Lr3.
I never gained massively with it. 3-4 lbs at the most during a 4-weeker. But gaining say 3 lbs while leaning out at the same time is a very good result in my book. I never felt i got stronger from it.
It's most attractive characteristic is the ability to make site injections work. I use it to bring up lagging bodyparts. That is actually the only reason i use it. But the thing is: It works! It really does have an localized effect when used correctly. Nothing else can do this as far as i know. When you inject directly into a muscle you just worked HARD it will cause hyperplasia in the cells in that muscle.
The theory is that the workout primes the receptors in the muscle so a larger part of the igf is utilized on the injection site than would otherwise be the case. I have seen no hard scientific evidence backing this theory but i'm very certain that site injections with igf have been a success for me personally.
I never gained massively with it. 3-4 lbs at the most during a 4-weeker. But gaining say 3 lbs while leaning out at the same time is a very good result in my book. I never felt i got stronger from it.
It's most attractive characteristic is the ability to make site injections work. I use it to bring up lagging bodyparts. That is actually the only reason i use it. But the thing is: It works! It really does have an localized effect when used correctly. Nothing else can do this as far as i know. When you inject directly into a muscle you just worked HARD it will cause hyperplasia in the cells in that muscle.
The theory is that the workout primes the receptors in the muscle so a larger part of the igf is utilized on the injection site than would otherwise be the case. I have seen no hard scientific evidence backing this theory but i'm very certain that site injections with igf have been a success for me personally.
Yes go with EOD injections.
Thanx guys for the info. I am really wanting lean up and put on a few lean pounds with this compound so I know diet is what I need to be focusing on but is there a particular diet format I need to use or pay attention to carb or protein intake? Ive heard people eating somewhat clean but eating alot of good carbs and shredding the fat. Any thoughts? Iam currently 175 at 9-10% BF, 28YRS old and 5'10.
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Jhotsauce7
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your IGF prot is on point bro, but.. sust every 5 days??
Sust is a combination of short medium and long esters and is made to be pinned about every 3 days. If you pin every 5 your levels will not be stable and this will not make for maximized gains.
IGF can be pinned eod, or ed and 40-50 mcgs is a good dose split bilaterally IM into the target muscle group with a 30ga slin pin.
time on = time off .. best principle.
Sust is a combination of short medium and long esters and is made to be pinned about every 3 days. If you pin every 5 your levels will not be stable and this will not make for maximized gains.
IGF can be pinned eod, or ed and 40-50 mcgs is a good dose split bilaterally IM into the target muscle group with a 30ga slin pin.
time on = time off .. best principle.
Do you know why its not a good idea to pin ED using IGF?
Oh and sustanon was not made to shoot every 3 days, LMAO sustanon was created for HRT so Dr. would only have to shoot once per month. Sorry bro don't know where you got your info.
Oh and lastly time off does not equal time on 40 on max igf and 20 off igf.
Test is on for 12 weeks and off for 3 months...
Oh and sustanon was not made to shoot every 3 days, LMAO sustanon was created for HRT so Dr. would only have to shoot once per month. Sorry bro don't know where you got your info.
Oh and lastly time off does not equal time on 40 on max igf and 20 off igf.
Test is on for 12 weeks and off for 3 months...
A post I made on another forum yesterday which might be of interest:
Most of you will be aware of my feelings on IGF dosing for any anbolic means. I had no success with it and tried with several different variations. I concluded that it is pointless.
There is science out there that does show IGF-1 can have a marked influence on tissue, tendon and ligament healing so definately beneficial if dosing with these objectives in mind. Systemic administration of both GH + IGF-1 combined showed an even further improvement in healing damaged collagenous tissue over single IGF-1 treatment. There is also good science to promote using it in PCT as IGF-1 plays a prominent role in steroidogenesis and it enhances the stimulatory effects of LH/HCG on leydig cells.
My suggestion then is to use it for healing or PCT but not much else. Another important consideration is to know what base your lypholized IGF powder comes with. The oft quoted "recon with AA" would destroy your peptide if it does not contain an acetate buffer. Never purchase already reconstituted IGF as even if has been done correctly it seemingly will degrade over a short period even when refrigerated. If you leave in the vial research has shown that the IGF begins to bind to the glass and within about a week there is no useable IGF remaining. Best solution is to recon yourself and draw your dose up into slin pins and then freeze. This would give you your best shot at having best efficacy when thawed and injected.
Most of you will be aware of my feelings on IGF dosing for any anbolic means. I had no success with it and tried with several different variations. I concluded that it is pointless.
There is science out there that does show IGF-1 can have a marked influence on tissue, tendon and ligament healing so definately beneficial if dosing with these objectives in mind. Systemic administration of both GH + IGF-1 combined showed an even further improvement in healing damaged collagenous tissue over single IGF-1 treatment. There is also good science to promote using it in PCT as IGF-1 plays a prominent role in steroidogenesis and it enhances the stimulatory effects of LH/HCG on leydig cells.
My suggestion then is to use it for healing or PCT but not much else. Another important consideration is to know what base your lypholized IGF powder comes with. The oft quoted "recon with AA" would destroy your peptide if it does not contain an acetate buffer. Never purchase already reconstituted IGF as even if has been done correctly it seemingly will degrade over a short period even when refrigerated. If you leave in the vial research has shown that the IGF begins to bind to the glass and within about a week there is no useable IGF remaining. Best solution is to recon yourself and draw your dose up into slin pins and then freeze. This would give you your best shot at having best efficacy when thawed and injected.
