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joncrane said:
Whoa, never new that... good for him. And his buddy Arnold had to settle for becoming an "actor" lol
keeping lean with gallon of milk a day cheap and conveinent
Whoa, never new that... good for him. And his buddy Arnold had to settle for becoming an "actor" lol
makedah
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A small bone to pick...
Actually, lactose intolerance is "normal" in the biological sense - think about it: why would humans need to be able to digest mass quantities of milk (baby food) in adulthood? The vast majority of adults in the world are lactose intolerant. Lactose intolerance isn't an 'affliction,' it's the normal state of human biology -- being able to digest lactose in adulthood is the product of a genetic mutation. I don't mean that in a nasty way, it just is. (It's probably nice to have a mutation that allows you to eat ice cream without worry! Sigh...) The only reason we talk about lactose intolerance as 'abnormal' is because it is rarer among Europeans -- Northern Europeans in particular.
Of course folks have known for years the very different rates of lactose tolerance among the world's peoples, but there was a recent study that got a lot of attention. These articles on the groundbreaking study have to be read carefully because they use the word 'mutation' to describe both lactose tolerance and intolerance even though the conclusion is that tolerance is the recent 'mutation.'
http://www.newswise.com/articles/2002/1/LACTOSE.UCL.html
http://www.mit.edu/people/lmtancre/doc2/milk_mutants.html
Actually, lactose intolerance is "normal" in the biological sense - think about it: why would humans need to be able to digest mass quantities of milk (baby food) in adulthood? The vast majority of adults in the world are lactose intolerant. Lactose intolerance isn't an 'affliction,' it's the normal state of human biology -- being able to digest lactose in adulthood is the product of a genetic mutation. I don't mean that in a nasty way, it just is. (It's probably nice to have a mutation that allows you to eat ice cream without worry! Sigh...) The only reason we talk about lactose intolerance as 'abnormal' is because it is rarer among Europeans -- Northern Europeans in particular.
Of course folks have known for years the very different rates of lactose tolerance among the world's peoples, but there was a recent study that got a lot of attention. These articles on the groundbreaking study have to be read carefully because they use the word 'mutation' to describe both lactose tolerance and intolerance even though the conclusion is that tolerance is the recent 'mutation.'
http://www.newswise.com/articles/2002/1/LACTOSE.UCL.html
http://www.mit.edu/people/lmtancre/doc2/milk_mutants.html
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Unless you're lactose intolerant I don't see any problem with drinking milk in general. However getting skim milk as your only source of carbs wouldn't be the best option. While milk is considered low GI, it is actually pretty high on the Insulin index which is becoming just as recognized as the GI list. When the GI index was created it was assumed that glucose response would have a similar effect to insulin but they found out it doesn't always. Milk is one of the foods that was surprising to see that even though it had a low glucose response it actually boosted insulin very high.
At any rate moderation is the key to everything. Drinking a gallon of skim milk every day for the carbs just isn't the best idea. Where would you get fiber? Fiber comes from carbs mostly so you're not going to be getting much of it unless you get supplementation, even then natural fiber is still better.
Also the 3 grams of fat in oatmeal is nothing. You can't eat a "no fat" diet. Your body needs some fat to survive so 3 grams in oatmeal wouldn't kill you. It's been proven that a diet too low in fat will actually lower testosterone levels. I would never under any circumstance go below 10% fat intake. Also you have to make sure some of that fat is in the form of EFA's. Even if you get 15% fat in your diet, if it's all saturated animal fat then you're still not getting what you need.
At any rate I'd suggest getting oatmeal in the morning with some skim milk in it if you wish. Then maybe for lunch have a banana or apple for your carb. You could have only skim milk for half of your daily meals but try to get some real carbs in there somewhere. Oatmeal and fruit are both very cheap and good sources of carbs. Just try to eat the fruit in the morning so you burn some of your stored liver glycogen during the day. So long as liver glycogen isn't full(guaranteed not to happen in the morning after waking up)then there can't be any spillover from the fructose.
Just to keep up the list; rice, potatoes, oatmeal, fruit are all cheap carbs. Just make sure to stick to the long grain rice and opt for sweet potatoes over normal ones.
At any rate moderation is the key to everything. Drinking a gallon of skim milk every day for the carbs just isn't the best idea. Where would you get fiber? Fiber comes from carbs mostly so you're not going to be getting much of it unless you get supplementation, even then natural fiber is still better.
Also the 3 grams of fat in oatmeal is nothing. You can't eat a "no fat" diet. Your body needs some fat to survive so 3 grams in oatmeal wouldn't kill you. It's been proven that a diet too low in fat will actually lower testosterone levels. I would never under any circumstance go below 10% fat intake. Also you have to make sure some of that fat is in the form of EFA's. Even if you get 15% fat in your diet, if it's all saturated animal fat then you're still not getting what you need.
At any rate I'd suggest getting oatmeal in the morning with some skim milk in it if you wish. Then maybe for lunch have a banana or apple for your carb. You could have only skim milk for half of your daily meals but try to get some real carbs in there somewhere. Oatmeal and fruit are both very cheap and good sources of carbs. Just try to eat the fruit in the morning so you burn some of your stored liver glycogen during the day. So long as liver glycogen isn't full(guaranteed not to happen in the morning after waking up)then there can't be any spillover from the fructose.
Just to keep up the list; rice, potatoes, oatmeal, fruit are all cheap carbs. Just make sure to stick to the long grain rice and opt for sweet potatoes over normal ones.
Lumberg
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As far as the rennin is concerned I assume that eating cheese or especially cottage cheese would attenuate the effects of the lack of rennin because the stuff is already curdled?
And great info on the insulin response vs. GI distinction. Do you know of any sites that list the insulin responses of different foods?
JC
And great info on the insulin response vs. GI distinction. Do you know of any sites that list the insulin responses of different foods?
JC
Here is a link to some information on the insulin index:
http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/insulin.htm
With all of the hype about insulin inhibiting fat loss this should be of interest to many of you. After reading it you'll be more likely to believe the insulin index is much better than the glucose index, unfortunately there isn't as extensive a list for the II as there is for the GI. I used to eat a lot of yogurt because of the low GI, however it's insulin reaction is one of the worst on that list almost as bad as a Mars bar.
http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/insulin.htm
With all of the hype about insulin inhibiting fat loss this should be of interest to many of you. After reading it you'll be more likely to believe the insulin index is much better than the glucose index, unfortunately there isn't as extensive a list for the II as there is for the GI. I used to eat a lot of yogurt because of the low GI, however it's insulin reaction is one of the worst on that list almost as bad as a Mars bar.
Here is one more to read"
http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/articles/diseases/glycaemic-index.htm
http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/articles/diseases/glycaemic-index.htm
The main problem with pasta is overall caloric density. It's considered low GI and low ID(insulin index), however it has a very high carb content so people usually eat too much of it. So long as you measure your serving size and know how much you're getting it would be fine. It's most likely better than white potatoes which are very high on the list. Also people love to load up sugar laden pasta sauces on top of pasta as well which is a no-no. I think pasta with nothing more than olive oil on it is a great meal. I used to have grilled chicken, pasta and olive oil all tossed together. Very good.
