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Idiots that own pitbulls

Fast Twitch Fiber

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Can someone please explain to me why anyone would want one of these things as a pet? Why would you want a wild animal that can kill a person to live in your house? Some animals just aren't domesticated. Pitbulls are one of these animals. This little girl is dead because some dumb ass red neck thought it would be cool to own a vicous attack dog.

http://www.hdonline.com/2005/May/20/LNspot.htm

There's a picture of the little girl at the above link.

HUNTINGTON -- As the family of a 2-year-old girl killed by a pit bull continued to grieve, the dog was euthanized Thursday.

Arianna Fleeman of Huntington died Tuesday night from injuries suffered in the attack, which occurred inside a house at 210 Buffington St. in the Guyandotte area. While city police are investigating the incident, officers had made no arrests as of Thursday.

Huntington Police Department Capt. Steve Hall said a news conference is scheduled at 1 p.m. today at HPD headquarters to explain how the case may proceed criminally. Cabell County Prosecutor Chris Chiles said he will attend to discuss the course of justice, with the case possibly going before a grand jury.

Lucile Fleeman, Arianna’s grandmother, said Thursday that the family has been overwhelmed with support, much of it from strangers.

"The public support is very gratifying," she said. "I sincerely grieve our loss, but if this prevents -- by her death -- that another one can live, then at least something good will have come of it."

News of Arianna’s death has touched people locally and nationally. It also has sparked widespread debate about what society can do to address the problem of dog attacks, as well as generated response from pit bull owners, most of whom reported having gentle pets.

During a news conference Wednesday, Hall announced pursuing a possible ban of pit bull breeds within city limits.

Meanwhile, the dog responsible for Arianna’s death was euthanized Thursday morning at the Huntington-Cabell-Wayne Animal Control Shelter, said Debbie Young, the agency’s office manager. She said a tending veterinarian, whose name was withheld, and an assistant administered the lethal injection without incident.

Everything went fine -- no troubles, no problems," she said.

The dog, a nearly 80-pound male pit bull named Brutus, had been quarantined for an incident that happened some eight days before the fatal attack, police said. The dog reportedly bit a man who lives in the same neighborhood as Donald Brewer, who lives at 210 Buffington Street and was Brutus’ owner. Brewer signed a consent Wednesday to have his pet euthanized. He technically referred to Brutus as a Staffordshire Terrier, a dog which Young said is in the pit bull family.

Arianna had been visiting Brewer’s home with her mother, Brittany Fleeman, 20, who attempted to save her daughter and suffered extensive hand injuries during the struggle. Lucile Fleeman said her daughter-in-law has since been released from the hospital, but faces extensive medical attention.

"Her hands cannot be stitched because of the dog bite and fear of infection," she said. "The wound has to remain open and cleaned and wrapped daily."

The euthanized dog’s body was turned over to the Cabell-Huntington Health Department, Young said.

News of the attack spurred a flood of calls to the local animal shelter, especially Wednesday when Young estimated at least 100 calls. On Thursday morning alone, animal shelter wardens had cited two people for being in violation of leash and muzzle laws, Young said, explaining that wardens will issue citations as they see violations.

"Before, the normal procedures were if we got a complaint we would follow up on it," she said. "This will no longer be the case. If the dogs are not muzzled or contained the way they’re supposed to be, (their owners) will be cited."

Young said the overwhelming message from callers has been fear.
 
pittbullstl is gonna kick your ass for talking shit about his dawgs
 
I'm an animal lover but I think they need to stop breeding these dogs.

I've never seen one that wasn't aggressive.
 
Its all in how they are raised and treated. My brother has a pitbull/boxer mix and its very friendly and great with kids. It can play pretty rough sometimes tho.
 
KillahBee said:
a lot of people own them for the same reason they spend 10k on rims or 7k on a Rolex. status, image.

That's what I think is the problem. People, especially rednecks, seem to think they are "in style". If someone wants a pet they should get a weiner dog or a golden retriever. We have constant problems with pit bulls in my area. Some morons even let them run loose! They kill other people's pets and bite people, and now one has killed a child.

The cops responded to a call at a house last year but they had a pitbull that tried to attack the cops. The cops shot the dog and of course the owners threw a fit over the "cruelty" of the cops.
 
There are Good Pits, and there are Bad Pits.
There are good owners, and there are bad owners
Sad to say that the Bad out numbers the good on both.


Chihuahuas are one of the most aggressive and protective dogs around.
But, what concerns me is that All Pits and others are capable of Killing a Human
regardless of it being brought up right or not.
As are Rotts, Shepherds, Mastiffs and any other Large Naturally Aggressive Breed

Dogs are Animals, and are very unpredictable.
How many times has a child or adult been attacked by a dog and the owners says
"he is such a sweet dog, never bit anyone ever before" ?

99% of the time I would say..


I think ALL large powerfull breeds should be restricted with requiements of fencing etc to limit the possibility of them getting out or a kid getting into their domain. Most ANY dog will protect its Master or Domain regardless of Breed or how it was raised.
 
n0th1ng said:
Its all in how they are raised and treated. My brother has a pitbull/boxer mix and its very friendly and great with kids. It can play pretty rough sometimes tho.

That's the same bullshit the owners always say. These are wild animals. They are unpredictable and this particular breed is very aggressive. This child's mother tried to stop the dog and couldn't do it. Why keep an animal in your house that even an adult cannot restrain?
 
People have to realize that if they own an aggressive dog that it needs more attention than your average pet. :(
 
big4life said:
People have to realize that if they own an aggressive dog that it needs more attention than your average pet. :(

What I don't understand is WHY people want to own an aggressive dog. Wouldn't you rather have a loveable pet? Or at least one that can't cause much damage even if it does decide to attack.
 
I've known plenty of non aggressive pitbulls... just because some are bred to be aggressive doesn't mean they are all fucked up.
 
n0th1ng said:
Its all in how they are raised and treated. My brother has a pitbull/boxer mix and its very friendly and great with kids. It can play pretty rough sometimes tho.

Even the ones that appear docile can still have a hair trigger. It's like a time bomb just waiting to go off, and the defenders of these dogs are just in denial about it.
 
Gambino said:
pittbullstl is gonna kick your ass for talking shit about his dawgs


lol


I have two, gentle babies. It's all in the bloodline, and how they are socialized around people and other animals. This topic is pretty damn overdone..............so I'll leave it at that. :)
 
It's about what they are all CAPABLE of doing IMO.. (Pits, Rotts, Shepherd)

Labs, Retrievers, etc are large dogs and can bite you, but they don't have the hundred PSI jaw strength and Upper body muscles to kill you quickly for the most part.
 
Mr. dB said:
Even the ones that appear docile can still have a hair trigger. It's like a time bomb just waiting to go off, and the defenders of these dogs are just in denial about it.


A hair trigger......lol. Nope. A dog is a dog is a dog.

A Golden Retriever snatched some baby's arm off in an affluent suburb here about a month ago. Two months prior, a Standard Poodle killed it's owner.
 
I'm a dog lover but I don't see the point in them personally. Keep them away from me and loved ones....it's all good.
 
its not the dogs people, its the fucking owners and breeders.
 
pitbullstl said:
A hair trigger......lol. Nope. A dog is a dog is a dog.

A Golden Retriever snatched some baby's arm off in an affluent suburb here about a month ago. Two months prior, a Standard Poodle killed it's owner.

A poodle killed a human? I need more evidence to believe this.
 
Lestat said:
its not the dogs people, its the fucking owners and breeders.

They'll never listen, it's almost pointless.

Friend of mine had 2 of them that were the most playful loving dogs you'd ever see. Both were around 120lbs and would walk up to you and lick your face. In their lives, neither ever attacked anyone.

Another friend had 2 (he gave one away). Both had distinct personalities. His female didn't care for people too much but loved children and would let them do whatever they wanted to her. If they annoyed her, she'd walk away, no matter how aggressive the child would get towards the dog. His male was more people friendly.


Hey, why don't we chalk up the retarded "pit bulls should be killed off" debate with the "guns kill people" debate.
 
if you ban pit bulls you'd have to ban german shepards, rotweilers, mastiffs, and dobermans....

get a clue
 
pitbullstl said:
A hair trigger......lol. Nope. A dog is a dog is a dog.

That's bullshit and you know it. Even if chihuahuas were as aggressive as pit bulls, the damned little "yippy" dogs can't crush a person's skull with one bite. For gods sake, why not just let people have pet lions?
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
That's bullshit and you know it. Even if chihuahuas were as aggressive as pit bulls, the damned little "yippy" dogs can't crush a person's skull with one bite. For gods sake, why not just let people have pet lions?

I'm pretty much done here man....... I didn't liken Chihuahua's to Pits. You worry about your family, neighbors etc.... I got it covered over here...thanks. :)

My house is so full of estrogen at this point.......I say bring on the lion....my wife would whip that fucker into shape with the quickness.
 
A 120 pound mountain lion or leopard, bottle-fed from infancy, would make a fine pet too.

And if any problems arise, it's just the fault of the owners or breeders...
 
pitbullstl said:
I'm pretty much done here man....... I didn't liken Chihuahua's to Pits.

You said a dog is a dog. Apparently you don't believe your own words. My question is why do you like pit bulls so much compared to other breeds? I'm guessing you are one of these people that thinks owning a big dog makes them a tough guy.

I hope you can live with yourself if one of your dogs kills someone. It might even be one of your own kids.

Anyway, I'm just outraged as this incident happened nearby. Especially since our area has had plenty of problems with these dogs over the past decade.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
You said a dog is a dog. Apparently you don't believe your own words. My question is why do you like pit bulls so much compared to other breeds? I'm guessing you are one of these people that thinks owning a big dog makes them a tough guy.

Exactly. Pit bull fans will say, in one breath, how docile and intelligent and friendly they are, then in the next breath brag about how their jaw strength can exceed an alligator's, in pounds per square inch of force. They get a thrill out of the potential danger that the animal represents, even in its most tame form.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
You said a dog is a dog. Apparently you don't believe your own words. My question is why do you like pit bulls so much compared to other breeds? I'm guessing you are one of these people that thinks owning a big dog makes them a tough guy.

I hope you can live with yourself if one of your dogs kills someone. It might even be one of your own kids.

Anyway, I'm just outraged as this incident happened nearby. Especially since our area has had plenty of problems with these dogs over the past decade.

Then get out of that area, because the people around you are obvoiusly no good.

And I don't think Pitbull needs a pitbull to make him feel like a "tough guy."
 
crak600 said:
And I don't think Pitbull needs a pitbull to make him feel like a "tough guy."

Then he'd be just as happy with a poodle?
 
Mr. dB said:
Exactly. Pit bull fans will say, in one breath, how docile and intelligent and friendly they are, then in the next breath brag about how their jaw strength can exceed an alligator's, in pounds per square inch of force. They get a thrill out of the potential danger that the animal represents, even in its most tame form.

That's the problem I have. These people know in their own mind that their dog is potentially dangerous and they enjoy having a deadly animal. They don't respect other people's safety. The problem is that NOBODY can claim that they have total control over their dog. The dog is going to do what it's instincts dictate. They won't hesitate to turn even on their own masters. My sis owns an American Eskimo which isn't very big and is usually a whiney cry baby, but if you catch him in a certain mood he'll bite people, even if he is familiar with the person.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
You said a dog is a dog. Apparently you don't believe your own words. My question is why do you like pit bulls so much compared to other breeds? I'm guessing you are one of these people that thinks owning a big dog makes them a tough guy.

I hope you can live with yourself if one of your dogs kills someone. It might even be one of your own kids.

Anyway, I'm just outraged as this incident happened nearby. Especially since our area has had plenty of problems with these dogs over the past decade.

Hey assmunch.... I'm positive my ability to project virility has 100% nothing to do with my pets....as I am also positive ANYONE who has met me feels the same way.

We rescued our animals from a kill shelter, when they were 6 weeks old, they aren't purebred, I didn't pay for them, they don't pose for pictures in front of my 28" rims on my H2.......and the fact that they were undernourished and undersized as babies didn't deter my wife and I from giving them a home.

Get off your soapbox, or petition your state legislature to ban all "bully" breeds....either way I don't care.
 
crak600 said:
Then get out of that area, because the people around you are obvoiusly no good.

And I don't think Pitbull needs a pitbull to make him feel like a "tough guy."

Oh this is bright. Let's make humans move out of the city so that 0.25% of the population can have killer dogs. Shouldn't it be the other way around? People that want wild animals around should move out in the country, not the city.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
That's the problem I have. These people know in their own mind that their dog is potentially dangerous and they enjoy having a deadly animal. They don't respect other people's safety. The problem is that NOBODY can claim that they have total control over their dog. The dog is going to do what it's instincts dictate. They won't hesitate to turn even on their own masters. My sis owns an American Eskimo which isn't very big and is usually a whiney cry baby, but if you catch him in a certain mood he'll bite people, even if he is familiar with the person.

Kill him.....he's obviously tainted.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Oh this is bright. Let's make humans move out of the city so that 0.25% of the population can have killer dogs. Shouldn't it be the other way around? People that want wild animals around should move out in the country, not the city.

Hey, why not ban alcohol because some people get drunk and get behind the wheel? Hey, why not ban cars because people get into accidents and die? Here, I have the best idea - let's ban ALL dogs because ANY dog, if not treated right, can become violent. After all, they're ANIMALS, not humans, and they're just going by instinct. That would solve the problem completely, don't you agree?

Come on, let's debate guns and their legality next.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Nobody who is defending these dogs has yet to explain their reason for thinking these animals are good pets.


The most affectionate animals I have ever been around. They sleep in my daughters bed every night......follow her around the house, waiting for her to lay down so they can cuddle up next to her, and fall asleep. Riley (my daughter) is quite the tough little girl, she has been inadvertently rough with them to the point where she has been sent to her room........you know what happens next....?? The dogs wait outside her room, just to see when they can play again. I honestly have never been around two animals who show such love, loyalty and affection towards anyone.........not our Ridgeback and not our new Maltese. Am I an advocate for the breed...??? Hardly....Am I an advocate for my pets...?? You bet your ass.



I would also like to reiterate, that my username has nothing to do with my choice in pets, it has been a nickname for me since highschool. Being just shy of 6' and a lean 260+ pounds will cause that kind of inference.
 
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I have owned a dobbie and shepard - but I would never own a pitbull - unless you knew the dogs lines 3 or 4 up, there is a chance the dog might be born with a screw loose, and no amount of training will correct it.

For those with the lovable, friendly pit bulls, and anyone else for that matter - would you let your kids around an unleased PB because the owner said he was harmless and friendly? If you knew the dog? I wouldn't - not if I knew the dog for years...too much of a chance.

Too many nitwits either already own or want a PB becuase of the status, becuase they are tough fighting dogs...but too many of them like to eat little kids and little dogs, unprovoked.

Why not get a lab or a malamute or a golden or something? What does the pit have on any of those dogs that people HAVE to have one?


Bluesman
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
I have owned a dobbie and shepard - but I would never own a pitbull - unless you knew the dogs lines 3 or 4 up, there is a chance the dog might be born with a screw loose, and no amount of training will correct it.

For those with the lovable, friendly pit bulls, and anyone else for that matter - would you let your kids around an unleased PB because the owner said he was harmless and friendly? If you knew the dog? I wouldn't - not if I knew the dog for years...too much of a chance.

Too many nitwits either already own or want a PB becuase of the status, becuase they are tough fighting dogs...but too many of them like to eat little kids and little dogs, unprovoked.

Why not get a lab or a malamute or a golden or something? What does the pit have on any of those dogs that people HAVE to have one?


Bluesman

I wouldn't let my kids around any dog that the owner said wasn't friendly. I'd be more worried about the small breed dogs than the larger ones too. Small breed dogs can be intimidated a lot faster than a large breed simply because a child can do more damage to the dog. I've seen more high strung small dogs that I wouldn't want to be around than large dogs.

And why doesn't someone get a small car instead of a $50K SUV? They don't "need" the SUV, they WANT one. How about the people that "need" a cell phone so they go and buy a $500 one instead of sticking with the phone that they get for free with their plan?

It's a dog. Any dog can be raised to be mean, doesn't matter what the breed. More people are injured and killed by breeds of dogs other than pit bulls every year, but you have a few moral entrepreneurs that feel it's their duty to get rid of a breed because the media and others blow it out of proportion and make up statistics. If they were successful in getting rid of pitbulls, rotts would be next, then dobermans, and so on and so forth, until the only dog you'd be legally allowed to own would be a miniature poodle.
 
crak600 said:
I wouldn't let my kids around any dog that the owner said wasn't friendly.

The question was whether or not you would let your kid near a pit bull whose owner said it WAS FRIENDLY (as all pit bull owners claim before they boast about how strong their dog is)
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
The question was whether or not you would let your kid near a pit bull whose owner said it WAS FRIENDLY (as all pit bull owners claim before they boast about how strong their dog is)

Yes I would.
 
Y_lifter said:
The Sicilian Butcher was hurt by this...

Ya big girly man.....you and your yippy sissy dog (my Maltese would kick your dogs ass).

Why don't you man up and get a Pitbull.......sheesh......according to Fast Twitch it will do wonders for your self esteem.



Just out of curiousity Mr. Fast Twitch, which Pitbull owners are posting on this thread besides myself...?? At what point did I boast of my dogs ability to do anything other than snuggle...??

Sounds to me like someone needs to move out of the hood, where all of their neighbors are big, boarish, bullies.
 
Lestat said:
its not the dogs people, its the fucking owners and breeders.

agree

this fall onto the way the dog is raised... if the dog is brought around kids..

test should be done to see how the dog responds to things like grabbing his tail, putting hand near food and water.. etc etc.. before even considering any child to be around it.. and that goes for ANY DOG.

I had the same mentality before I owned one and saw how caring she was... how loveable and how great she was with my kids. But I raised all of my dogs the same from My POM to my German Shephard to the Pit.... all were around strangers from day one... they knew the boundries and how to warn me if someone was around that shouldn't be.. but they also knew simple commands... if I needed them to step down.

Train the dog... interact with other animals and people... This isn't breed related.
 
pitbullstl said:
Ya big girly man.....you and your yippy sissy dog (my Maltese would kick your dogs ass).

Why don't you man up and get a Pitbull.......sheesh......according to Fast Twitch it will do wonders for your self esteem.

Don't be trash talking about KOKO.. She will Mess U^

Check out below her Quads, Those Lats, Those Delts....
She is logging in now and gonna bomb your ass into darkness..
Pit Bull her Ass.. She will make your dog go crawl under the damn bed

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/6089/kokoonline6ji.jpg
 
Y_lifter said:
Don't be trash talking about KOKO.. She will Mess U^

Check out below her Quads, Those Lats, Those Delts....
She is logging in now and gonna bomb your ass into darkness..
Pit Bull her Ass.. She will make your dog go crawl under the damn bed

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/6089/kokoonline6ji.jpg


Ok... now that made me spit.. :lmao:
 
angelgonzalez said:
If you realy wan't to know the truth about pitbulls check out this site.http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/. pitbulls are naturally great dogs. And it should be the owners fault, not the dogs because viciousness is not there natural instinct..... :chomp:

Oh no, they don't have any natural viciousness at all, that's why so many people train poodles for fighting...
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Can someone please explain to me why anyone would want one of these things as a pet? Why would you want a wild animal that can kill a person to live in your house? /QUOTE]

I seriously hope that you realize that the same can be said of any dog
 
The Shadow said:
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Can someone please explain to me why anyone would want one of these things as a pet? Why would you want a wild animal that can kill a person to live in your house? /QUOTE]

I seriously hope that you realize that the same can be said of any dog
exactly.
 
The Shadow said:
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Can someone please explain to me why anyone would want one of these things as a pet? Why would you want a wild animal that can kill a person to live in your house? /QUOTE]

I seriously hope that you realize that the same can be said of any dog

So you're saying that weiner dogs are wild animals that can kill people? When was the last time a weiner dog or miniature doberman killed a person?
 
Lestat said:
its not the dogs people, its the fucking owners and breeders.
!


I have pitbulls in my life since i was a baby and when i was on my own i have owned a few also. The dogs arent the problem its the owners and what they do to raise them. if the dog is happy and never been rough housed with and anything else that may start a wild root in the dog then the dog wont be naughty.

My dogs are loved and loveable and have never been mean to anyone or anything except their rawhide treats. Big spaces for them also is a must how hard is it to have a big secured fenced in area for them to run in?
Proper caring methods is a must!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
 
I was always a little scared of pits, but they intrigued me, so I got one. He looks mean, but is the sweetest dog I have ever been around. Real pits are not mean to people. The ones that are, which are greatly over-exagerated by the media, are bad blood lines usually combined with bad owners. Their history involves bull baiting and dog fighting-not guard/attack dogs. The pit bulls that showed aggression towards humans were often killed - how could you have a fighting dog that wanted to kill you and everyone around it too?

He plays rough and is very strong, but not mean. The other day my 10 year old cousin was holding onto the end of a rope while he had the other end and pulled her across the floor. The only thing I was worried about was him wanting to lick her face and accidentally scratching her.

The only thing to worry about is bad blood, bad owners and excessive licking.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
So you're saying that weiner dogs are wild animals that can kill people? When was the last time a weiner dog or miniature doberman killed a person?

the point is that ANY dog is non-domesticated.




Period...regardless of breed



Today?s media is filled with sensational headlines of dog attacks. Routinely quoted in these newspaper accounts are dated statistics from the Centers for Disease Control. The last CDC study released documented which breeds of dogs caused the most human fatalities from 1979 through 1998. While the CDC did an admirable job of studying fatal dog attacks, and went to great lengths to point out that irresponsible owners were the cause of most of these incidents, the media and lawmakers continue to use CDC statistics to substantiate claims that certain breeds of dogs are inherently more "vicious" than other breeds.

The result of sensationalizing individual incidents of severe or fatal dog attacks, included with the use of unexamined statistical "evidence" has created an unfortunate and inaccurate public and political perception as to the dangerousness and predictability of certain breeds of dogs. Despite enormous public and political interest in fatal dog attacks, there is no agency or organization that does investigative work (with the exception of this study) into each of the individual cases of fatal dog attacks and records the number and circumstances of fatal dog attacks on a continuous, yearly basis.

This study is conducted in an attempt to understand the human and canine behaviors that contribute to a fatal dog attack. Only in understanding the events and circumstances surrounding these incidents can we hope to prevent future tragedies.

STUDY FINDINGS:
After reviewing over 431 cases of fatal dog attacks it is apparent there is no single factor that translates in a lethal encounter between a person and a dog(s). A fatal dog attack is always the culmination of past and present events that include: inherited and learned behaviors, genetics, breeding, socialization, function of the dog, physical condition and size of the dog, reproductive status of dog, popularity of breed, individual temperament, environmental stresses, owner responsibility, victim behavior, victim size and physical condition, timing and misfortune.

While many circumstances may contribute to a fatal dog attack, the following three factors appear to play a critical role in the display of canine aggression towards humans;

1. Function of the dog - (Includes: dogs acquired for fighting, guarding/protection or image enhancement)

2. Owner responsibility - (Includes: dogs allowed to roam loose, chained dogs, dogs and/or children left unsupervised, dogs permitted or encouraged to behave aggressively, animal neglect and/or abuse)

3. Reproductive status of dog - (Includes: unaltered males dogs, bitches with puppies, children coming between male dog and female dog in estrus)

It is necessary to emphasize that a fatal dog attack is an exceptionally unusual event. Approximating 20 deaths per year in a dog population of 53 million yields an infinitesimal percent of the dog population (.0000004%) involved in a human fatality.

THE BREED FACTOR
Many communities and cities believe that the solution to prevent severe and fatal dog attacks is to label, restrict or ban certain breeds of dogs as potentially dangerous. If the breed of dog was the primary or sole determining factor in a fatal dog attack, it would necessarily stand to reason that since there are literally millions of Rottweilers, Pit Bulls and German Shepherd Dogs in the United States, there would have to be countless more than an approximate 20 human fatalities per year.

Since only an infinitesimal number of any breed is implicated in a human fatality, it is not only unreasonable to characterize this as a specific breed behavior by which judge an entire population of dogs, it also does little to prevent fatal or severe dog attacks as the real causes and events that contribute to a fatal attack are masked by the issue of breed and not seriously addressed.

Pit Bulls in particular have been in a firestorm of bad publicity, and throughout the country Pit Bulls often bear the brunt of breed specific legislation. One severe or fatal attack can result in either restrictions or outright banning of this breed (and other breeds) in a community. While any severe or fatal attack on a person is tragic, there is often a tragic loss of perspective as to degree of dangerousness associated with this breed in reaction to a fatality. Virtually any breed of dog can be implicated in a human fatality.

From 1965 - 2001, there have been at least 36 different breeds/types of dog that have been involved in a fatal attack in the United States. (This number rises to at least 52 breeds/types when surveying fatal attacks worldwide). We are increasingly becoming a society that has less and less tolerance and understanding of natural canine behaviors. Breed specific behaviors that have been respected and selected for over the centuries are now often viewed as unnatural or dangerous. Dogs have throughout the centuries served as protectors and guardians of our property, possessions and families. Dogs have also been used for thousands of years to track, chase and hunt both large and small animals. These natural and selected-for canine behaviors seem to now eliciting fear, shock and a sense of distrust among many people.

There seems to be an ever growing expectation of a "behaviorally homogenized" dog - "Benji" in the shape of a Rottweiler. Breeds of dogs with greater protection instincts or an elevated prey-drive are often unfairly viewed as "aggressive or dangerous". No breed of dog is inherently vicious, as all breeds of dogs were created and are maintained exclusively to serve and co-exist with humans. The problem exists not within the breed of dog, but rather within the owners that fail to control, supervise, maintain and properly train the breed of dog they choose to keep.

CANINE AGGRESSION - AN OVERVIEW
It is important to emphasize that dogs bite today for the same reasons that they did one hundred or one thousand years ago. Dogs are no more dangerous today than they were a century or millennium ago. They only difference is a shift in human perception of what is and is not natural canine behavior and/or aggression and the breed of dog involved.

Examination of newspaper archival records dating back to the 1950?s and 1960?s reveal the same types of severe and fatal attacks occurring then as today. The only difference is the breed of dog responsible for these events. A random study of 74 severe and fatal attacks reported in the Evening Bulletin (Philadelphia, PA) from 1964-1968, show no severe or fatal attacks by Rottweilers and only one attack attributed to a Pit-Bull-type dog. The dogs involved in most of these incidents were the breeds that were popular at the time.

Over two thousand years ago, Plato extolled a basic understanding of canine behavior when he wrote "the disposition of noble dogs is to be gentle with people they know and the opposite with those they don?t know...." Recently, this fundamental principal of canine behavior seems to elude many people as parents allow their children to be unsupervised with unfamiliar dogs and lawmakers clamor to declare certain dogs as dangerous in response to an attack.
 
Fatal Dog Attacks - CANADA

A spate of recent attacks by Pit Bulls and Rottweilers have unleashed a storm of negative publiclity and sentiment towards these two breeds in a number of areas in Canada.

In an attempt to gain a better perspective of the problem with canine aggresson towards humans and to disprove the current perception that severe and fatal attacks is a phenomena exclusive to Pit Bulls and Rottweilers, the following information is presented.
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Fatal Dog Attacks - Canada: 1983 - 2003

1983 (2) Farm Dogs Roaming dogs kill child (Edmonton)
1987 (1) German Shep X Chained dog attacked child (Vernon)
1988 (1) German Shep Unsupervised child (Quebec)
1990 (1) Chow Chow Attack on newborn (Ontario)
1993 (1) Sled dogs Chained dogs kill child (N.W.T.)
1993 (5) Sled dogs Attacked by loose dogs (Alberta)
1994 (1) Maremma Sheepdog Family dog killed child (Ontario)
1995 (2) Am Staffs Drunken man provoked dogs (Ontario)
1995 (2) German Sheps Killed by uncle's dogs (Saskatchewan)
1996 (?) Strays Child killed by stray dogs (Manitoba)
1997 (1) Sled dog Chained dog w/pups (Saskatchewan)
1998 (?) Sled dogs Pack chained on sea ice (Iqaluit)
1998 (1) Bullmastiff Playing w/neighbor's dog (Ontario)
1998 (8) Lab/Huskies Xs Mother & son killed by pack (Newfoundland)
1998 (6) Strays Boy killed by strays (Manitoba)
1999 (1) Husky X Neighbor's dog (British Columbia)
1999 (1) Husky One of 24 chained dogs (Quebec)
1999 (1) Husky X Grandfather's dog (N.W.T.)
1999 (?) Strays Girl killed by starving dogs (Alberta)
2002 (2) Lab X & Rott Attacked in field (Ontario)
2003 (3) Rottweilers Boy wandered into yard (New Brunswick)
2003 (4) German Shep Xs Grandmother's dogs (Manitoba)



It should be noted that there is no national recording system for the documentation of fatal dog bites in Canada. The NCRF, while researching and documenting fatalities in the US also recorded any and all fatalties that occurred in Canada that were discovered.

Since the focus of NCRF's study was primarily those attacks that occurred in the United States, there is the distinct possibly that some additional Canadian dog-bite fatalities may be missing from this list. Nonetheless, this list appears to be the only recording of fatalities available for Canada, and may be considered a fair representation of the types of fatal dog attacks that have occurred in Canada over the last 2 decades.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
So you're saying that weiner dogs are wild animals that can kill people? When was the last time a weiner dog or miniature doberman killed a person?




LOL at the killer weiner dog... ;)


I personally cannot stand people who breed dogs period. Too much freaking damage to animals of all breeds. No one will ever convince me they are a dog lover when they go out and buy a pure bred dog. Thousands are destroyed for every dog intentionally breed. Go to animal control a get a mutt. ;)
 
Fast twitch, you asked why anyone would want to own one of the large-breed dogs with a reputation? I'll tell you one good reason: anyone that was thinking of burglarizing or even worse invading your home will change their mind when they see certain dog breeds are on guard. My parents have owned Rottweilers for years...fantastic pets. Yet, it's nice to see how contractors or other service workers dont' even dare get close to the fence when they see the Rott. It's peace of mind...better home protection than any gun.
 
First,y I hate dogs. I feel no guilt or remorse when one dies. You should to to the Far East and see the amount of stray dogs wandering the streets. You should see how they are treated. Like chaff.

One time, these kids were running over the dog over and over again with their cars. It was very much alive when it started. It wasn't at the end. All I did was laugh and laugh and laugh. It made me feel good inside. Yep, I still haven't forgiven that dog and that owner for attacking me all those years ago.

The people that I was with thought I was nuts.

Now that you know how I feel about dogs, I do think that people have the right to own whatever breed they want and raise it how they want. You want a pit bull? Great! You want it to be an attack dog? Great! You allow the dog to attack others? When then you get jailed or fined or whatever...do the crime, do the time.

After all, if you give a monkey a gun and the monkey kills someone, do you blame the monkey? Or, do you blame the person who gave him the gun?
 
gottipit said:
I would train the monkey to run you over. That would be a good laugh. :chomp:
Fair is far. Just let me take out a few dogs with a lawnmower first...then have at me.
 
canadianhitman said:
Fast twitch, you asked why anyone would want to own one of the large-breed dogs with a reputation? I'll tell you one good reason: anyone that was thinking of burglarizing or even worse invading your home will change their mind when they see certain dog breeds are on guard. My parents have owned Rottweilers for years...fantastic pets. Yet, it's nice to see how contractors or other service workers dont' even dare get close to the fence when they see the Rott. It's peace of mind...better home protection than any gun.

Yeah, no doubt the assholes in the article I posted had a very secure home. Too bad a 2 year old girl died in this "secure" home.
 
canadianhitman said:
Fast twitch, you asked why anyone would want to own one of the large-breed dogs with a reputation? I'll tell you one good reason: anyone that was thinking of burglarizing or even worse invading your home will change their mind when they see certain dog breeds are on guard. My parents have owned Rottweilers for years...fantastic pets. Yet, it's nice to see how contractors or other service workers dont' even dare get close to the fence when they see the Rott. It's peace of mind...better home protection than any gun.

So you do admit that the purpose of large breeds is to intimidate. That element of superiority -- "people are frightened of my dog, but I can control it." Thank you.
 
I do not care for the so-called vicious breeds -- pits, rotts, dobermans -- but there's no way to regulate these beasts without trampling people's rights.

I would support a neighborhood's property-owners' covenant that bans certain breeds, but any rules above that level would be onerous.
 
Mr. dB said:
So you do admit that the purpose of large breeds is to intimidate. That element of superiority -- "people are frightened of my dog, but I can control it." Thank you.

They have far more purposes than that...I merely illustrated one of the bonuses. My parents dogs were GREAT PETS first, sentries second. As a matter of fact, if an owner knows what they are doing, these dogs are 100% controllable; I have had my parent's current rottie hold a down command even as three rabbits streaked by in the backyard. It's not about an element of superiority, it's about having the peace of mind that your home is that much safer thanks to your loyal guardian.
 
Frisky said:
agree

this fall onto the way the dog is raised... if the dog is brought around kids..

test should be done to see how the dog responds to things like grabbing his tail, putting hand near food and water.. etc etc.. before even considering any child to be around it.. and that goes for ANY DOG.

I had the same mentality before I owned one and saw how caring she was... how loveable and how great she was with my kids. But I raised all of my dogs the same from My POM to my German Shephard to the Pit.... all were around strangers from day one... they knew the boundries and how to warn me if someone was around that shouldn't be.. but they also knew simple commands... if I needed them to step down.

Train the dog... interact with other animals and people... This isn't breed related.

I have a friend that with every dog he's ever owned, he practices taking food from them while they're eating. He starts this from day one, feeding the dog and then going as far as to reach into the dog's mouth to pull the food out. He'll put the bowl down on the floor, let the dog start eating, and then he'll stick his face between the dog's food and the dog to stop it from eating. He does this every time the dog eats for months. As a result, with any dog he's ever owned, anyone can get between the dog and it's food and the dog will stop eating and wait, no other reaction. Anyone can reach into the dog's mouth to pull something out, whether it's food, a toy, or something around the house the dog is chewing on, and the dog just stops.

Him and his brother did this with 2 pure bred red-nosed pit bulls with no problems. He has also done it with his current dog, a sharpei/ridgeback mix. She's stubborn as hell, but she lets anyone do it to her as well.

I did this with the 2 dogs I had and my kids were able to inturrupt the dogs from eating and the dogs would walk away.

My son grabbed the female from behind once and startled her. The dog turned real quck and growled, realized who it was and her tail and ears dropped, then got smacked by me. She never did it again, even when my son was trying to jump up and down on her. The second dog growled at my son once when he was still a puppy. Again, my son startled the dog. The female almost tore the male's throat out. The male never did it again, and he was more tolerant of the kids abusing him than the female was. The female would get up and walk away, even if one of the kids was on top of her. Sure, the kids would fall over, but oh well. The male would just lay there and take it, no complaints.

The only time there was ever an issue with the dogs was over food and that was between the 2 of them. We had to give them table scraps on separate plates and away from each other or they'd fight. No amount of intervention stopped this except taking the food away. I could reach between them when they were growling at each other and they'd stop immediately.

There was only one person my female growled and barked in anger at, and that was one of my neighbors. He was an idiot, hated dogs, and we think he kicked her once or twice but didn't know for sure. He'd taunt her and there were days I wanted to let her off her chain to go attack him. She got used to him hating her and reacted to it naturally. She was fine with everyone else she came into contact with.
 
They are not all like that. Only if trained to be so. I have one and he's the best natured dog that I've ever been around. I never wanted dogs but I got them for my daughter. Rocky might lick a person to death. That dog loves me. He sits outside my bedroom door and whines for me.
 
here's the way I look at it.....pits have been bred to be aggressive fighting dogs......and they just happen to have the strongest jaws that can pretty much crush body part. it's no different than other dogs that have been bred to do specialized things. their aggressiveness is partly instinctual. does that mean they can't make good pets? no, it doesn't. but if you have a dog thats bred over generations to do a certain thing, it's going to take a lot of training and discipline to make that dog into a different type of dog. it's kinda like keeping a sled dog that was bred to run, in an apartment or something.....

but whatever, to each his own. if an owner is dumb enough to have a dangerous untrained dog around a baby and it eats it, they have to live with it.....

if someone's fucking dog attacked me or my family, well, i'll shoot the fucking thing, and it's owner.

lots of dumb people do dumb shit. these schmucks with untrained pits probably drive like morons, let their kids play in the street, and watch professional wrestling. it's just in their blood to be stupid.
 
jerkbox said:
but whatever, to each his own. if an owner is dumb enough to have a dangerous untrained dog around a baby and it eats it, they have to live with it.....


A Dingo Ate My Baby!!
 
Back in the early 1970s I had a friend who kept pit bulls. This was back before pit bulls were well known to the general populace, they were an obscure breed, not recognized by the AKC, and known pretty much only to enthusiasts. My friend and his pit Damien were inseperable, they went everywhere together, and the dog was great around people, friends and strangers alike.

One day my friend went to the store. The store's owner was a friend of theirs, and he came out to pet the dog, who proceeded to bite his nose off.

The plastic surgeons did what they could, but you can tell that his nose is messed up, and it's way too small for his face.

The dog was not euthanized, I don't know the details of the financial arrangements that were made after the incident.

A few years later, the same dog and one of his offspring were shot and killed by a farmer after they had killed a cow and were in the process of taking down a horse whose injuries were sufficient that the animal had to be destroyed.

I had played with these dogs a number of times, and they were as friendly as any Labrador or Golden Retreiver.
 
Mr. dB said:
Back in the early 1970s I had a friend who kept pit bulls. This was back before pit bulls were well known to the general populace, they were an obscure breed, not recognized by the AKC, and known pretty much only to enthusiasts. My friend and his pit Damien were inseperable, they went everywhere together, and the dog was great around people, friends and strangers alike.

One day my friend went to the store. The store's owner was a friend of theirs, and he came out to pet the dog, who proceeded to bite his nose off.

The plastic surgeons did what they could, but you can tell that his nose is messed up, and it's way too small for his face.

The dog was not euthanized, I don't know the details of the financial arrangements that were made after the incident.

A few years later, the same dog and one of his offspring were shot and killed by a farmer after they had killed a cow and were in the process of taking down a horse whose injuries were sufficient that the animal had to be destroyed.

I had played with these dogs a number of times, and they were as friendly as any Labrador or Golden Retreiver.




Yep.....I always laugh at people who say their dogs are sweet and never have the ability to attack. The instinct is always THERE. Given the right circumstances it will take over. Just like it makes me laugh when people want wild animals as pets and tame them. You cant take the wild out of an animal.

I kicked a pitbull off a puppy being attacked. The puppy was standing right next to a 2 year old baby. I just finished listening to the owner telling everyone at the picnic who sweet his dog was and it loved everyone.
 
Let's make pets, guns, alcohol, cars, risky surgeries, contact sports...the list goes on and on...let's make it ALL illegial! Yeah, you heard me, all or nothing, do it all now. Let's restrict our kids from riding bicycles, swimming, getting on swings, hell, even running, because kids get hurt and die doing those activities.

Let's liquify all our foods, because people do choke and die. Let's get rid of all foods that have bad fats and sugars in them, get rid of all preservatives, medications that have side effects, and lets all walk around in plastic bubbles with steel toed boots on. Never know when you might trip and fall or stub your toe.

Remove warning labels from everything, especially chainsaws and their pesky "Do not touch the chain while the motor is running" warning. I hate that one. Let's not forget lawn mowers, they have the warning to not stick your hand or foot underneath of them while they're running.

Let's put chastity belts on every single individual and you can only have it unlocked at the proper government facility. After you've been tested during the course of months to make sure you have no STDs, you are allowed to procreate with your spouse, then you get locked back up again, just in case there's an STD out there and you decide to have sex with someone else, just so you don't get it and spread it to others. Or even worse, you might be poor and not able to financially take care of the child and it grows up in a life of starvation and malnutrition.

I mean hell, why the fuck not? We're on a crusade to get rid of pitbulls and other large breed dogs that have the ability to hurt and kill people, so why not get rid of everything else that causes more deaths than dogs every year?

You're taking a small problem and turning it into a large one without any facts to support you. Go ahead, make them up on the spot. People have been doing it for years, creating fear and panic just so someone supports their cause and they can get want they want, giving them a little piece of mind or maybe even making them think they are saving the world.

Oh, and to the "pitbulls are worthless" comments, so are contact sports, fast food....
 
crak600 said:
Let's liquify all our foods, because people do choke and die...

..and lets all walk around in plastic bubbles with steel toed boots on. Never know when you might trip and fall or stub your toe.


i second these items
 
TC2 said:
I'm an animal lover but I think they need to stop breeding these dogs.

I've never seen one that wasn't aggressive.

freind of mine had 3 pitts..they were awesome...guess he raised em right....wouldnt hurt a fly....
 
pitbullstl said:
A hair trigger......lol. Nope. A dog is a dog is a dog.

A Golden Retriever snatched some baby's arm off in an affluent suburb here about a month ago. Two months prior, a Standard Poodle killed it's owner.
thats fucked up

and so is the 2 year old arianna who got killed
 
tybz28-#2 said:
Check this bad boy out.

THose jaws can crush metal. My sister mailed me some dog bones, the ones that are real thick and made out of hard plastic. Rocky snaps them in half.
 
crak600 said:
Let's make pets, guns, alcohol, cars, risky surgeries, contact sports...the list goes on and on...let's make it ALL illegial! Yeah, you heard me, all or nothing, do it all now. Let's restrict our kids from riding bicycles, swimming, getting on swings, hell, even running, because kids get hurt and die doing those activities.

Let's liquify all our foods, because people do choke and die. Let's get rid of all foods that have bad fats and sugars in them, get rid of all preservatives, medications that have side effects, and lets all walk around in plastic bubbles with steel toed boots on. Never know when you might trip and fall or stub your toe.

Remove warning labels from everything, especially chainsaws and their pesky "Do not touch the chain while the motor is running" warning. I hate that one. Let's not forget lawn mowers, they have the warning to not stick your hand or foot underneath of them while they're running.

Let's put chastity belts on every single individual and you can only have it unlocked at the proper government facility. After you've been tested during the course of months to make sure you have no STDs, you are allowed to procreate with your spouse, then you get locked back up again, just in case there's an STD out there and you decide to have sex with someone else, just so you don't get it and spread it to others. Or even worse, you might be poor and not able to financially take care of the child and it grows up in a life of starvation and malnutrition.

I mean hell, why the fuck not? We're on a crusade to get rid of pitbulls and other large breed dogs that have the ability to hurt and kill people, so why not get rid of everything else that causes more deaths than dogs every year?

You're taking a small problem and turning it into a large one without any facts to support you. Go ahead, make them up on the spot. People have been doing it for years, creating fear and panic just so someone supports their cause and they can get want they want, giving them a little piece of mind or maybe even making them think they are saving the world.

Oh, and to the "pitbulls are worthless" comments, so are contact sports, fast food....

you, my friend, need to take an introductory class in argumentative logic
 
I warn anyone that comes into my house that my white fluffy persian cat may bite you if you rub her belly

THAT is responsible pet ownership
 
My brother used to work at a pitbull rescue shelter in Chicago. He now has one of the dogs. She is a mix and a very nice dog. I have always had German Shepherds from the big overgrown american lines to West German working lines. The drive that his female has is something that is not present in very many dogs and priceless. Not very fun to take on a walk though. This dog is game and if she sees another dog be prepared for a workout. This dog wouldn't hurt a child. I have paid alot of money for dogs and not gotten what I wanted. I don't have any doubt that this dog would actually protect him, which is rare. People think that just because they have a rott, pitbull, cane corso, GSD that it will protect them, when most dogs just don't have that defensive drive.
 
You pit bull lovers have poor logic saying that "all dogs can attack", it's not just pits and rottweilers. The Center for Disease Control did a study of fatal dog attacks from 1979-1997(I think these were the years, the study is on their website). The results showed that pits and rotts (counting mixed breeds ie. part pit bull) were responsible for about 60% of dog attack fatalities. Now compare that 60% figure to the dog population. What percent of the dog population is made up of pits and rotts? I don't have an answer but let's say that it's 10% (which I'm confident is way, way too high). Even if we take an exaggerated figure, you have 10% of the dog population being responsible for 60% of the fatalities.

Of course some pit bulls can be trained to be gentle. However every animal (including humans) has a breaking point where they will fight for their life if they think they are in danger. Nobody, even the most responsible dog owner, can predict what might set a dog off. If it perceives a child as a threat, it may very well attack. Any dog could attack. The difference with pits and rotts is they are huge powerful animals that can do a lot of damage. A child doesn't have a chance against an 80 pound pit bull. Hell, an adult male attacked by such a dog would be fortunate to fight it off. In the case cited in this thread, the 2 year old girl's mother tried to fight the dog but the dog damn near took her arm off.

I just don't see the purpose of bringing such animals into areas inhabited by humans. There's a reason people don't keep pet gorillas, alligators (adults anway), lions, and tigers, etc. They just are not suited as domestic animals.
 
Mr. dB said:
A 120 pound mountain lion or leopard, bottle-fed from infancy, would make a fine pet too.

And if any problems arise, it's just the fault of the owners or breeders...

That's not true. My father experimented in length with trying to domesticate wild and great cats when he was younger but he never got them to get potty trained or stop eating neighbourhood housecats, so he had to give up.
 
I don't suggest banning pitbulls but I'll tell you this much, people who keep them have in my experience 100% of the time been morons. For one thing they have entirely no style, those dogs are ugly as shit, they aren't exactly house or yard decoration.
 
My next door neighbor has a pit. She is probably the most gentle, friendly dog I have ever. All she wants to do is play and be pet.

The problem is with irresponsible owners who don't realize the work and attention some animals need. One more thing, it isn't a redneck problem either. I am surrounded by them and they by and far are much better and more responsible with their animals than most people.
 
12 year old boy killed by the family pit bulls today in San Fran.


8:58 p.m. -- A 12-year-old boy was mauled to death by his family's two pit bulls this afternoon in his apartment in San Francisco's Inner Sunset District as his mother screamed helplessly.

The boy, identified by school district officials as Nicholas Scott Faibish, was in his apartment at 711 Lincoln Way when the 80-pound dogs - a male named Rex and a female named Ella - attacked him at about 3:15 p.m., authorities said.

"Get them out of here!'' the boy's mother screamed, according to a neighbor in the building who heard the attack and saw the woman moments later, covered with blood.

A police officer shot and killed one of the dogs, believed to be Ella, when the dog prevented him from entering the apartment, a police spokesman said. The other dog was captured inside the apartment and was being held by animal control officers.

Paramedics tried and failed to resuscitate the boy.

Shocked neighbors said the dogs were normally friendly, affectionate and well-behaved.

"The dogs were sweethearts,'' said Art Austin, who has lived in the building for five years. "I never thought they were vicious. They were really nice. I would pet them and my wife would kiss them on the forehead.''
 
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bad breeding dumb ass are breeding for looks and not temperment a 100lbs pit thats not even a pit anymore a 100 years ago thes dogs were champions at 35 lbs standard weight is 45 yes they were dog aggresive but how do you acommpany 2 dogs in a pit and ref a fight ,break the dogs up and return them to there korners if they are human aggresive these animals were not made for home protection and should not be breed for looks or size standard ? from pepole now is how big was the mother and father like the larger the better get a clue you want a big dog get a rot .
 
n0th1ng said:
Its all in how they are raised and treated. My brother has a pitbull/boxer mix and its very friendly and great with kids. It can play pretty rough sometimes tho.

I think this family of dogs are literally a breed apart. They seem like friendly giants until something sparks & they turn into killers. They just can't be 100% trusted. & if an accident happens it is quite often fatal, especially to our young, who we should be protecting at all costs.
 
Dial_tone said:
12 year old boy killed by the family pit bulls today in San Fran.


8:58 p.m. -- A 12-year-old boy was mauled to death by his family's two pit bulls this afternoon in his apartment in San Francisco's Inner Sunset District as his mother screamed helplessly.

The boy, identified by school district officials as Nicholas Scott Faibish, was in his apartment at 711 Lincoln Way when the 80-pound dogs - a male named Rex and a female named Ella - attacked him at about 3:15 p.m., authorities said.

"Get them out of here!'' the boy's mother screamed, according to a neighbor in the building who heard the attack and saw the woman moments later, covered with blood.

A police officer shot and killed one of the dogs, believed to be Ella, when the dog prevented him from entering the apartment, a police spokesman said. The other dog was captured inside the apartment and was being held by animal control officers.

Paramedics tried and failed to resuscitate the boy.

Shocked neighbors said the dogs were normally friendly, affectionate and well-behaved.

"The dogs were sweethearts,'' said Art Austin, who has lived in the building for five years. "I never thought they were vicious. They were really nice. I would pet them and my wife would kiss them on the forehead.''

LMAO at the dumbasses that are defending these dogs. Yeah, the assholes that owned these dogs thought they were real "sweet hearts". Grizzly bears are sweet hearts too until something frightens them.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
LMAO at the dumbasses that are defending these dogs. Yeah, the assholes that owned these dogs thought they were real "sweet hearts". Grizzly bears are sweet hearts too until something frightens them.

Yeah, it's funny how everyone accepts that different breeds of dogs have certain personality traits, but they can't accept that the hair trigger is one of the traits that has been bred into the Pit Bull.
 
Lestat said:
I've known plenty of non aggressive pitbulls... just because some are bred to be aggressive doesn't mean they are all fucked up.
Do you really want to take the chance with your kids, that this one, or that one won't snap?
 
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