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How can i get bigger by senior year at highschool???
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B0ARDIN087
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dont be an ass. your saying a 4.4 wont turn heads....... in high school when half the nfl running backs run higher then a 4.4 a 4.45 is NOT A 4.4.jstrick2 said:
if you wanna find another forum to troll we'd all appreciate it, thanks!
B0ARDIN087
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btw i made huge changes in my body from sophmore to senior year in hs. im a freshie in college now and now my gains are much better then hs. sometimes you are limited in growth by your age but that doesn't mean u cant grow! work hard and eat right and you WILL notice the change, but dont expect bodybuilder size in hs....... its most likely just not going to happen. dont get discouraged and understand that its far more important to get into the right habits in training and eating while in HS becuz if you apply them as you age there is no way that you wont meet your goals.
i went from being a skinny-fat weakling as a freshman to being a kid girls are liek wow nice body. im not going to say to being huge becuz i was way too busy to always train and eat right but if ur not working 40 hrs a week plus school then you will be far bigger then me. but i built myself good habits and now in colllege im making gains very quickly. so in short....... your limited by your genetics and body maturity......... but that doesn't mean you wont make great and noticable gains. good luck and work hard
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i went from being a skinny-fat weakling as a freshman to being a kid girls are liek wow nice body. im not going to say to being huge becuz i was way too busy to always train and eat right but if ur not working 40 hrs a week plus school then you will be far bigger then me. but i built myself good habits and now in colllege im making gains very quickly. so in short....... your limited by your genetics and body maturity......... but that doesn't mean you wont make great and noticable gains. good luck and work hard
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4.4 will deff turn heads in highschool, but also its not your 40 time that turns heads on..theres more factors that makes a back good which is obvious. 4.4 is a excellent time. The hb at my school went allstate and on his draft prospect report hes listed as running the 40 at 4.7.
the point is if you want it bad enough you will make it happen. You can make huge improvements by your senior year.. ive watched it happen with guys on my football team that are seniors this year. and wish to do it myself (im a sophmore)
the point is if you want it bad enough you will make it happen. You can make huge improvements by your senior year.. ive watched it happen with guys on my football team that are seniors this year. and wish to do it myself (im a sophmore)
OKLAHOMA STATE
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4.4 is not standard for a RBs. 4.4 is world-class speed and few RBs run a true 4.4.
Trust me, I played D1 college football.
Every high school stud will say they run a 4.4 or a 4.5. Few do.
A true 4.5 is BLAZING speed. Teams like USC, Texas, Ohio State have very few players who run a true 4.4.
The numerous 4.4 times you see reported are usually hype. Its funny how high school studs who supposedly run 4.4/4.5s at their high schools suddenly drop to 4.7/4.8s when they attend a NIKE Football Camp where they are objectively times.
Don't believe the 4.4 hype. Few players run a true 4.4. If someone does indeed run a true 4.4, it will be obvious when they step on the field.
Oh, and 4.3s are VERY UNCOMMON. Two years ago we had 2 players who ran 4.3s at Oklahoma State- one was Darrent Williams, rookie cornerback for the Broncos this year who had a great year in the NFL. The second was Daniel McLemore, who was one of the top sprinters in the country. I don't where the poster who claims "4.3s are very common on both sides of the ball" is getting his info, but he couldn't be more wrong.
Trust me, I played D1 college football.
Every high school stud will say they run a 4.4 or a 4.5. Few do.
A true 4.5 is BLAZING speed. Teams like USC, Texas, Ohio State have very few players who run a true 4.4.
The numerous 4.4 times you see reported are usually hype. Its funny how high school studs who supposedly run 4.4/4.5s at their high schools suddenly drop to 4.7/4.8s when they attend a NIKE Football Camp where they are objectively times.
Don't believe the 4.4 hype. Few players run a true 4.4. If someone does indeed run a true 4.4, it will be obvious when they step on the field.
Oh, and 4.3s are VERY UNCOMMON. Two years ago we had 2 players who ran 4.3s at Oklahoma State- one was Darrent Williams, rookie cornerback for the Broncos this year who had a great year in the NFL. The second was Daniel McLemore, who was one of the top sprinters in the country. I don't where the poster who claims "4.3s are very common on both sides of the ball" is getting his info, but he couldn't be more wrong.
BiggT
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OKLAHOMA STATE said:
I was going to post something similar to this, but you saved me the time. You couldn't have summed up my thoughts better by saying a TRUE 4.4. It is world-class speed. In high school a 4.7 or 4.8 is ridiculously fast. 4.9-5.0 is more where the average, run of the mill, won't go on to play in college high school starting RB is in reality. If a kid runs a true 4.4, he will be at the top of all the national recruiting lists, and will look like a man among boys on the high school field.
Another example of people being almost used to BS numbers is all the high school studs above average height with supposed "36 inch verticals" yet they cannot dunk a basketball. People get desensitized to world-class numbers because of BSing and generous testing, there aren't a large percentage of people who possess gifts like 4.4 speed and 36 inch verts.
High School coaches time 40 yard dashes the same way they measure height, VERY VERY generously. Unbiased testers like those at the Nike Camp are a much truer reflection of reality. Even colleges are guilty of this, ever notice how guys with eye popping media guide stats all of a sudden "shrink" 2 or 3 inches and "slow down" 2 tenths of a second at a scouting combine. Then they say it was a "bad day" or they were "out of shape" or they had their "head pushed down" when they were measured, but actually it is called unbiased and ACCURATE testing.
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BiggT
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To the original poster, I feel bad that your thread got hijacked. Check out the 5x5 stuff on this board to get an idea of what a sound training plan should look like. You need to squat, pull, and press. You need constants like days/sets/reps so that progress can be measured and you just don't go by "feel".
You want to gradually and consistently add weight to the bar on a squat and a select pull and a select press, you should train your core (abs and low back) as well. Eat nutritious foods. You can't limit yourself to tuna and broccoli like a lot of people on a Bodybuilding board will stupidly suggest because you can't be 8% bodyfat and expect to make gains or even perform optimally. But, don't eat a bunch of nutritiously worthless garbage like doughnuts and cupcakes either.
For reading, go to Ironmind.com and look into a subscription to MILO, stay away from popular bodybuilding magazines, unless you either want to just look at the girls in there OR have a good laugh at the outright lies they call "training advice". If you must flip through a news stand mag, Ironman is probably the best simply because of Bill Starr, Randall Strossen, and the occasional write-up by CS Sloan or Keith Wassung, but the rest of it sucks. Once you understand productive training, you can pick this stuff out for yourself.
If training doesn't center around increasing capacity in compound lifts, it is crap. Don't be too complicated at this stage and horse around with swiss balls, and goofy tempos and cadences, or accomodating resistance or any sort of gimmicky shit, just get strong at squats, pulls, and presses, simple as that at this stage in the game, if you can't progress with the basics at your stage you either need to learn how to lift or how to eat or both.
You want to gradually and consistently add weight to the bar on a squat and a select pull and a select press, you should train your core (abs and low back) as well. Eat nutritious foods. You can't limit yourself to tuna and broccoli like a lot of people on a Bodybuilding board will stupidly suggest because you can't be 8% bodyfat and expect to make gains or even perform optimally. But, don't eat a bunch of nutritiously worthless garbage like doughnuts and cupcakes either.
For reading, go to Ironmind.com and look into a subscription to MILO, stay away from popular bodybuilding magazines, unless you either want to just look at the girls in there OR have a good laugh at the outright lies they call "training advice". If you must flip through a news stand mag, Ironman is probably the best simply because of Bill Starr, Randall Strossen, and the occasional write-up by CS Sloan or Keith Wassung, but the rest of it sucks. Once you understand productive training, you can pick this stuff out for yourself.
If training doesn't center around increasing capacity in compound lifts, it is crap. Don't be too complicated at this stage and horse around with swiss balls, and goofy tempos and cadences, or accomodating resistance or any sort of gimmicky shit, just get strong at squats, pulls, and presses, simple as that at this stage in the game, if you can't progress with the basics at your stage you either need to learn how to lift or how to eat or both.
Yeah ^ Nike training camp does have accurate 40 times. I'll show quick example.. im looking at the top runningbacks that will be entering college (rivals.com) and i see (starting from the #1 spot) these times 4.4,4.5,4.4,4.45,4.47,4.6,4.44,4.4,4.41, and 4.66. Remember these were recorded mostly (pretty sure all) at the nike training camp. So obviously a 4.4 will turn heads, and it shows that a 4.4 is not even a standard, its more of a higher time.
BiggT
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Good example....Maurice Clarett had 4.5 speed.....his year at Ohio State he ran for over 1200 yards against Big Ten defenses, and shreaded Miami in the National Title game. That is blazing speed. Clarett was FAR from standard at 4.5.
Just wanted to point that out too, if you've ever seen a guy with legit 4.4 speed run down-field your jaw would hit the floor, calling it a standard, not so special time is absolutely ridiculous.
If a large number of high school kids are claiming 4.3-4.4 speed, they are either full of shit, or more than likely mistimed or MOST likely generoously timed by a coach looking to help them out.....that kind of speed really makes you look like a man among boys and will land you on the top of recruiting lists for perennial national powers.
Just wanted to point that out too, if you've ever seen a guy with legit 4.4 speed run down-field your jaw would hit the floor, calling it a standard, not so special time is absolutely ridiculous.
If a large number of high school kids are claiming 4.3-4.4 speed, they are either full of shit, or more than likely mistimed or MOST likely generoously timed by a coach looking to help them out.....that kind of speed really makes you look like a man among boys and will land you on the top of recruiting lists for perennial national powers.
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